It's abhorrent.

[Arsenios]

Amazing isn't it, how Donald had his hands tied and how Donald said, only yesterday, how only the congress could stop the family separations by passing new immigration laws that would pay for the wall and now all of a sudden Donald stopped it himself without any law changes and with his "hands tied". It's almost as if he was lying yesterday. Amazing


:disgonbegood:

So should I agree with you that our Prsident is an evil no good demonic human being whose departure from this earth would be a blessing for all mankind and a kindness from God?

I mean, he does what you wanted him to do, and he is still a no-good piece of nothing good...

Are you not rejoicing for the children now not being separated?

Or is this not about the children, but is about demonizing the President of the United States of America?

Lord have Mercy!

Arsenios

 

[Lamb]

:eatpopcorn:

 

[MennoSota]

Yep, but you're still jealous of my cosy island.

Sure I am...
https://www.google.com/amp/foreignp...-no-escape-from-australias-refugee-gulag/amp/

 

[MoreCoffee]

So should I agree with you that our Prsident is an evil no good demonic human being whose departure from this earth would be a blessing for all mankind and a kindness from God?

I mean, he does what you wanted him to do, and he is still a no-good piece of nothing good...

Are you not rejoicing for the children now not being separated?

Or is this not about the children, but is about demonizing the President of the United States of America?

Lord have Mercy!

Arsenios

Let God be praised for answered prayer. Let God be praised for his goodness in causing worldly men to bring to an end a wicked policy. In all things God is to be praised, and especially in the deliverance of the young from harsh treatment at the hands of men.

When Caesar ruled in Rome and saints Peter and Paul were executed at his command Christians continued to pray for Caesar as ruler in Rome. I imagine that they prayed that God would bless and keep him, fill him with every good thing and every good gift that was in the heart of God to give to him, and that God would grant him and them peace. Christians live in hope and hope for the best and pray to that end. So pray for Donald. It is a worthy work and a blessed calling. Let us join in that prayer too.

And on a slightly different note. Cannot it be said that Donald's actions are evil, his words are untrustworthy, while it is acknowledged redemption is available, repentance is possible.

 

[MoreCoffee]

Demonization is demonization...

We demonized the "JAPS" and the "KRAUTS" in WWII, and the "ZIPS" in Vietnam...

It is the rhetoric of hatred for the purpose of homicide...

It is not the Way of Peace...

Arsenios

Brother Tigger said that the actions, the deeds were Inhuman, barbaric and evil. And Mark Shields [Correction, David Brooks the man mentioned in the first post in this thread. Mark Shields is his interlocutor in PBS News Hour Shields and Brooks segment.], a well known USA conservative commentator, called the actions abhorrent. None of those words demonise anybody but they do accurately describe the actions carried out in compliance with the "zero tolerance" policy regarding illegal border crossing parents with their children.

 

[Albion]

Brother Tigger said that the actions, the deeds were Inhuman, barbaric and evil. And Mark Shields, a well known USA conservative commentator, called the actions abhorrent

uppydogeyes:

Maybe it would be best if you stuck to things Canadian.


Here is an excerpt from Wikipedia about Shields, the well known Left-wing curmudgeon--

Afterwards, he went to Washington in 1965, where he became an aide to Wisconsin Senator William Proxmire. In 1968, Shields went to work for Robert F. Kennedy’s presidential campaign. He later held leadership positions in the presidential campaigns of Edmund Muskie and Morris Udall, and was political director for Sargent Shriver when he ran for vice president on the Democratic ticket in 1972. Over more than a decade, he helped manage state and local campaigns in some 38 states, including incumbent Boston, Massachusetts, Mayor Kevin White's successful re-election campaign in 1975.



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[MoreCoffee]

Sure I am...
https://www.google.com/amp/foreignp...-no-escape-from-australias-refugee-gulag/amp/

Don't be afraid, you will not be sent to an offshore refugee processing centre, unless you board an Indonesian people smuggler's ship and arrive without valid entry documents and make a claim for refuge.

I know that you're jealous of my cosy island, but you seem to be suggesting it isn't so cosy after all, so let's see your earlier comment ... you wrote

First, the issue of illegal immigrants (criminals) being separated from their children is hardly comparable to Stalin or Hitler. Your hyperbole speaks more to your ignorance than it does to the the immigration policies of the US.
However, I suggest you come to Juarez, Mexico and help the poor rather than complain from your cozy island.​

Are you withdrawing that post now?

 

[MoreCoffee]

I have a correction to make. It was David Brooks who called the separation of children from their parents abhorrent. I misnamed him as Mark Shields, that was an error, the segment in PBS News Hour is called "Shields and Brooks" and I picked the first name because I thought that was David Brooks, I was wrong. Here is an excerpt from Wikipedia about David Brooks

Ideologically, Brooks has been described as a moderate, a centrist, a conservative, and a moderate conservative. Brooks has described himself as a “moderate,” and said in a 2017 interview that “[one] of [his] callings is to represent a certain moderate Republican Whig political philosophy.” Ottawa Citizen conservative commentator David Warren has identified Brooks as a "sophisticated pundit"; one of "those Republicans who want to 'engage with' the liberal agenda." When asked what he thinks of charges that he's "not a real conservative" or "squishy," Brooks has said that "if you define conservative by support for the Republican candidate or the belief that tax cuts are the correct answer to all problems, I guess I don't fit that agenda. But I do think that I'm part of a long-standing conservative tradition that has to do with Edmund Burke... and Alexander Hamilton." In fact, Brooks read Burke's work while he was an undergraduate at the University of Chicago and "completely despised it," but "gradually over the next five to seven years... came to agree with him." Brooks claims that "my visceral hatred was because he touched something I didn't like or know about myself."[48] In September 2012, Brooks talked about being criticized from the conservative side, saying, "If it's from a loon, I don't mind it. I get a kick out of it. If it's Michelle Malkin attacking, I don't mind it." With respect to whether he was "the liberals' favorite conservative" Brooks said he "didn't care," stating: "I don't mind liberals praising me, but when it's the really partisan liberals, you get an avalanche of love, it's like uhhh, I gotta rethink this."

Brooks describes himself as having originally been a liberal before, as he put it, "coming to my senses." He recounts that a turning point in his thinking came while he was still an undergraduate, when he was selected to present the socialist point of view during a televised debate with Nobel laureate free-market economist Milton Friedman. As Brooks describes it, "[It] was essentially me making a point, and he making a two-sentence rebuttal which totally devastated my point. … That didn't immediately turn me into a conservative, but...."​

 

[Albion]

Well, David Brooks is no conservative, either, although the New York Times and other Liberal publications like to call him one in order to seem not to be completely one-sided themselves.

dailycaller.com/2011/07/08/krauthammer-on-nyts-david-brooks-hes-not-a-conservative/

therightscoop.com/krauthammer-shocks-lib-panel-um-david-brooks-is-not-a-conservative/

 

[MennoSota]

Don't be afraid, you will not be sent to an offshore refugee processing centre, unless you board an Indonesian people smuggler's ship and arrive without valid entry documents and make a claim for refuge.

I know that you're jealous of my cosy island, but you seem to be suggesting it isn't so cosy after all, so let's see your earlier comment ... you wrote

First, the issue of illegal immigrants (criminals) being separated from their children is hardly comparable to Stalin or Hitler. Your hyperbole speaks more to your ignorance than it does to the the immigration policies of the US.
However, I suggest you come to Juarez, Mexico and help the poor rather than complain from your cozy island.​

Are you withdrawing that post now?

I don't understand your comment above, other than to note that depravity is observed worldwide.
Do you intend to continue flaming?
As for the US, we'll keep working to bring in more refugees while attempting to detain criminals. I expect Australia does the same thing.

 

[MoreCoffee]

... As for the US, we'll keep working to bring in more refugees while attempting to detain criminals. I expect Australia does the same thing.

I imagine that many legislators and members of the executive government believe they are doing what you say.

I watched this news program from Wednesday 20th June 2018.

It is informative.

 

[Albion]

And on a slightly different note. Cannot it be said that Donald's actions are evil, his words are untrustworthy

No, not unless the speaker is intentionally dishonest. Then it is something we have come to expect in politics, unfortunately.

I guess that the only exception might be that the speaker is so out of touch with events that he's simply regurgitating something he got from MSNBC, CNN, the NYTimes or some such media outlet and mistakenly thought it was unbiased.

 

[tango]

So is the person who parks in a no-parking space and the person who jay-walks across a road and the person who crosses the border without valid entry papers. All break a law. Perhaps you and I break a law every now and then. Shall every law breaker be imprisoned and their children taken from them? How would a Christian who advocates such a thing explain it to the Lord on judgement day? Would such a Christian hope that God overlooked it, saw only Jesus' righteousness and forgot the wickedness in the heart that led to such harshness towards others? Do you think heaven is ruled with compassion and love on the thrown or is it all justice without mercy?

This poses the obvious question of where you draw the line. Some who parks where parking is prohibited probably isn't a threat to society. A rapist is a threat to society. I don't imagine you'd propose convicted rapists being allowed to go free to avoid separating them from their children. Somewhere between the two is a line where we accept that one wrongdoing is not serious enough to warrant jail time and another is serious enough. If you commit a crime that carries jail time, you go to jail.

Related questions arise about immigrants who go on to commit serious crimes, whether they be murders and rapes or vehicular manslaughter. Those have a tendency to separate children from their parents on a more permanent basis.

 

[tango]

Admit it, you're jealous of my cosy island

A remote island where 8 of the 10 most venomous snakes in the world live, where you have venomous spiders, you have crocodiles and you can't even go into the ocean and escape things that will kill you.

Not sure I'm too jealous of that

 

[MoreCoffee]

A remote island where 8 of the 10 most venomous snakes in the world live, where you have venomous spiders, you have crocodiles and you can't even go into the ocean and escape things that will kill you.

Not sure I'm too jealous of that

There are not many individuals of the poisonous species, not nearly as many as the USA has rattlesnakes. And we don't have huge bears to eat us, and no bubonic plague in mountainous regions and no rabies so I bet you are jealous of my cosy island home too

 

[ImaginaryDay2]

So... that picture of the crying girl at the border? Here's more:

EXCLUSIVE: 'They're together and safe: Father of Honduran two-year-old who became the face of family separation crisis reveals daughter was never separated from her mother, but the image of her in tears at U.S. border control ‘broke his heart’

 

[Arsenios]

So... that picture of the crying girl at the border? Here's more:

EXCLUSIVE: 'They're together and safe: Father of Honduran two-year-old who became the face of family separation crisis reveals daughter was never separated from her mother, but the image of her in tears at U.S. border control ‘broke his heart’

That is a very good and informative and honest article...

Score another Fake News Attempted Hate-Slander...

Defeated with Truth...

Arsenios

 

[ImaginaryDay2]

I'll wait for the apology from 'Time' magazine
(*whistles...)

 

[Albion]

Oh, Time has already explained itself by saying that although what they pictured on the cover was not factual, it cast light in some unexplained way upon a situation in the country that was in need of being publicized etc. etc. etc.


By contrast, if the president had said most instead of many in a speech, the report would have been LIAR, LIAR!

 

[MoreCoffee]

I'll wait for the apology from 'Time' magazine
(*whistles...)

You may want to check what the source you used is like before agreeing with it and it is worth remembering that the picture of the little girl doesn't purport to be about separation it is about trauma at the border at the time of arrest. But maybe that has become a casualty of the media attention heaped upon it.