Name those sins Christ didn't die for

[psalms 91]

or tradition

 

[Pedrito]

Isn't it amazing?

In Post #161 on Page 17 Lämmchen extracted a couple of verses from a broader proclamation made by Jesus.

That proclamation was: Matthew 25:31-46:

31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:
32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:
33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.

34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:
36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.

37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee ? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?
38 When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee ?
39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?
40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.

41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
42 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:
43 I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.

44 Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?
45 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.
46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

In Post #174 on Page 18 I asked six highly specific questions about that direct proclamation issued by the Word Become Flesh.

The posts which followed have assiduously avoided answering those direct and sensible questions.

If Readers do not know the answers, or the obvious answers make them feel uncomfortable, why not just admit it?

If the organisations that Readers belong to have no direct, logical explanation for those words of Jesus that is 100% consistent with their doctrine – if they have to explain those direct words away somehow or avoid them – then I would suggest those Readers look for a group of believers who embrace Jesus' words without difficulty.

But could it be that the personal comfort of their existing situations is more important than God's revealed truth?


Of course, by simply giving honest, sensible answers to the six questions in Post #174 on Page 18, someone could prove themselves the exception to the oft-observed rule just stated.

Will anyone put their hand up?

 

[Lamb]

Pedrito, I would be willing to discuss with you if you ask one question at a time and ask it as clearly as you can. I find your wording to be confusing and I'm not sure what direction your questions are going in. You also have this tendency to want to lead in with a question and hint at another topic and I don't follow tangents. I prefer to stick to the topic here.

 

[Cassia]

Her point, which you have overlooked, is that your sins are already forgiven at the cross. Sometimes it takes years to repent, but they were still forgiven over 2,000 years ago.

If alreadu forgiven then why repent as the Word says? If forgiven already why do anything? Of course that goes against the Word but then so does universal salvation

I've never seen this as a problem before...forgiveness imo is not just a question of whether God has forgiven you, there's that age old problem of forgiving ourselves for our own standing before God.
If you repent of your sins He is righteous and faithful to forgive our sins I think is how it's worded. Justified in our own eyes by having a clean conscience. Justified by God that suffering has done it's good work. Right standing before God. Sins unforgiven are those in which one is in wrong standing with God. Prayerlessness is the least felt sin.

 

[Cassia]

When someone then repents doesn't the forgiveness come from Jesus death on the cross because that's what God tells us in the bible and it seems like you want to say it's from another means. Go ahead and tell us where the forgiveness is from if not through Jesus our Savior.

Jesus' accomplished earthly work is found at the cross Christ's continued heavenly work is at the throne of grace Hebrews 4:16 which boldness is needed to come to it it says.

 

[psalms 91]

Yes, forgiveness comes from God and Jesus sits at His right hand

 

[Cassia]

1. NO ONE obeys God. NO ONE ceases to be sinful. So, if justification (narrow) and mercy and forgiveness were limited to those who obey, then there would be NO ONE justified, NO ONE receiving mercy, NO ONE receiving forgiveness - but then such wouldn't need any of that, would they? They would need no Christ, no Cross, no mercy, no grace because such obeys.

2. Let's say I buy all here at CH an annual pass to all the Disney resorts. I'm not going to because, unlike God, I'm not all loving or all powerful. But let's say I do. I go online tonight and purchases that, each in the name of each. It's there. But of course, you have to activate it and claim it (and if you don't use it, it's useless and won't benefit you). Now, let's say some of you DO go and claim it..... and some of you DO use your pass. When did this pass become yours, when was it paid for? TONIGHT. By whom? ME (well, not really cuz I'm not the equal of God). Now, you may not benefit from it until June 15, but that doesn't mean it didn't exist since April 18. Our justification was OURS on Easter Morning..... THAT'S when forgiveness, mercy, grace was given to me, you. That's when it was earned, that's when it was paid for. On the Cross - by the Empty Tomb. BY JESUS. Not your obedience, not your goody-goodiness, not by your watering down the law until it becomes an easy worthless hoop to boast your ego. When that mercy is APPLIED to you, it's applied to you - but that's not when it comes into existence, and your applying it is not why it exists.




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ya but you have to show up for every game. Every game was paid for. you reap the benefits of each and every game you attend.
I agree that salvation is like a stay of execution from the governor that has to be applied by the prisoner. But that doesn't mean that prisoner has to get his/her stay of execution again after that. Going to the throne of grace is an ongoing play that cleanses/justifies our right standing on a continuing bases.

 

[Cassia]

The passages say that Job was perfect (blameless in some translations) it is written there just as much as any other statement in holy scripture is. Job 1:1,8.

All of your examples said they walked with God (point of difference)

 

[TurtleHare]

Jesus' accomplished earthly work is found at the cross Christ's continued heavenly work is at the throne of grace Hebrews 4:16 which boldness is needed to come to it it says.

Christ's work at the cross is the path but not only the path the only way that we can have a throne of grace since as you pointed out we have that confidence and that can only come from the freedom of the cross and forgiveness.

 

[Cassia]

The throne is the place of power but the temple worship is the place of reward.

 

[TurtleHare]

Are you interested in something more than being with God forever because that's like the ultimate reward I could ever think of and don't think we'll be in need for all of eternity.

 

[visionary]

Are you interested in something more than being with God forever because that's like the ultimate reward I could ever think of and don't think we'll be in need for all of eternity.

Since God's world is universes upon universes expanding to eternity, the thoughts of what God could create different for each of them, give rise to the never ending learning aspect of living with Him. While He does assign us earth as our Garden of Eden, there is nothing said that we can not explore His universe.

 

[psalms 91]

True and I believe that when we are with Him we will do exactly that

 

[Cassia]

Are you interested in something more than being with God forever because that's like the ultimate reward I could ever think of and don't think we'll be in need for all of eternity.

I was thinking more of judgment/rewards according to a believer's works 2 Corinthians 5:9-10

 

[psalms 91]

Yup but around here works dont seem to matter.

 

[Lamb]

Yup but around here works dont seem to matter.

For salvation? No they don't. God said so.

2 Corinthians 5:9-10 is the perfect case for those who have faith are judged on what they do BECAUSE they have faith. That means those who have faith DO good works and produce fruit. The Holy Spirit sees to it that those things get done.

Those who don't have faith are pretty much just judged by what they do. Since it's not by faith they damn themselves because they rejected the Christ.

 

[psalms 91]

However faith without works is dead. Also what do you think it means to work out our salvation with fear and trembling?

 

[Lamb]

Work out. Not work for your salvation. Only man can be so arrogant enough to think that he could do the job better than Christ.

Staying faithful and trusting in the Savior is working out our salvation.

 

[Cassia]

All of the churches of Revelations 2 & 3 had their works judged as a manifestation of their real condition. Whether they had left 1st love, warned to persevere, so as not to lose the crown, or to recieve the name of God, a new name, the name of God's city, again etc. The churches were spoken to by Christ as individuals who either did or didn't do those things and He outlined the consequences of not doing them and the rewards for doing them. It seems like a present labor and future rewards. 2 Corinthians 5:9-10

This link is interesting: The Doctrine of Rewards: The Judgment Seat (Bema) of Christ

https://bible.org/article/doctrine-rewards-judgment-seat-bema-christ

 

[George]

Just jumping in here, but I think I heard someone say that works compliment salvation?