Name those sins Christ didn't die for

[TurtleHare]

all unrepentant sin, willfully sinning until it doesnt matter any more to you, your consience gets seared ou are in deep trouble

When someone then repents doesn't the forgiveness come from Jesus death on the cross because that's what God tells us in the bible and it seems like you want to say it's from another means. Go ahead and tell us where the forgiveness is from if not through Jesus our Savior.

 

[Rens]

Ah, the mysterious "sin against the Holy Spirit"..... Okay. That's it?

Think so. Other sins won't be forgiven if they can't repent, but I don't know if that means He didn't pay for it. He died for the sins of Hitler too. It just didn't profit him.

 

[psalms 91]

When someone then repents doesn't the forgiveness come from Jesus death on the cross because that's what God tells us in the bible and it seems like you want to say it's from another means. Go ahead and tell us where the forgiveness is from if not through Jesus our Savior.

Of course it is from Him and Him alone. Doesnt mean we are automatically forgiven, the bible is clear on that

 

[visionary]

Doesn't that forgiveness given come from Jesus death on the cross?

Forgiveness comes from God through the penalty that Yeshua paid in our place for our sins.

 

[Alithis]

Which sins are those? How, exactly, precisely, do we KNOW?


And if there are ANY sins not forgiven, does that makes salvation irrelevant since it doesn't exist? And Jesus not the Savior because there is no salvation?

do try to post a persons entire statement so as to not misrepresent what they have said . i did go on to add very unambiguous scripture . go back and read it .

 

[Alithis]

]Interesting isn't it.
Why repent for that which is already forgiven you cant it is forgiven ..so if you then go and do it again it needs to be forgiven again -it is not on autopilot ?

Quite simply..because you willfully sinned anew -doing an action we knew, absolutely ,to be sin -and became guilty of sin again and in need of repentance.

In that lot in the posts above the statement is made saying .. It take some many years to repent..! But all that means is they have not yet repented of sin and are continuing in it and as 1 john 3 states, Do not know God ... -in short they are not saved yet.
As the way to be saved is laid out extremely clearly in the good news..(gospel) of JESUS the Christ . Its a packaged instruction of which all parts are to be obeyed.
Repent
Be baptized into the death and resurrection of Jesus (being in his name)
Receive the holy spirit (who is eternal life)

We enter the way of salvation when we do all of these . because to not do all is to disobey God.. And that is not what a repentant heart does.it does not continue In disobedience ,nor does it persist in pursuing its own will ..but seeks to do Gods will.
No one is automatically saved.and no one is automatically forgiven for new sin they commit .and no one is saved without being obedient to the instructions on HOW to be saved

 

[Lamb]

Forgiveness comes from God through the penalty that Yeshua paid in our place for our sins.

Yes, this is most certainly true.

We see that forgiveness begins at the cross. All the sins that are ever forgiven were the ones that Jesus (Yeshua) paid for and died in our place.

That forgiveness doesn't benefit us without faith and we receive that by God's Word. We receive it when we hear it, we receive it when we are baptized (water and Word) and we receive it in communion (the Lord's body and blood which is Word in the flesh).

The Hebrews/Jews in scripture before Jesus' death were saved in the same way as us, by grace through faith. Their faith had hope in the forgiveness of sins of the Savior. That was fulfilled by Jesus.

Those here who are saying repentance gives forgiveness, well, Christ's death for our forgiveness came first for us. Repentance has two parts, contrition and faith to turn to God. Repentance isn't what gives us forgiveness actually, repentance helps us see the Christ, the one who died for our forgiveness. Repentance brings us to our triune God, but not of our doing, but His. He uses Law to bring us to contrition and uses Gospel to turn us in faith. No one can turn to Him without faith.

We can say our sins were forgiven over 2,000 years ago because that's when Jesus died. That's what is called Objective Justification. Subjectively, we don't benefit from that forgiveness until God gives it to us by grace through faith in order to trust in that forgiveness.

 

[popsthebuilder]

I didn't create this thread asking who all is going to have eternal life and you wrote in the other thread when asked which weren't forgiven : None. That was a huge thing to write since you will then see that initially our sins were taken to the cross and as we live our lives our Lord God brings us to repentance and we receive the benefits of forgiveness which comes directly from those sins that were initially forgiven at the cross and that's what you're missing.

Isn't it true that those who reject our Lord and Savior are the ones who go to hell and aren't they the ones who throw away faith and forgiveness? Those are the ones who aren't saved and you know what? I don't think they care since they reject.

What of those who go by way of the wide path? Those who profess Christ with words, but whose hearts and deeds are far from Him?

Peace

Faith in selfless Unity for Good.

 

[popsthebuilder]

If alreadu forgiven then why repent as the Word says? If forgiven already why do anything? Of course that goes against the Word but then so does universal salvation

Bill, I've read your mentionings of universal salvation a few times and am curious as to what you mean. Salvation is available to all, but not all will accept it. But I'm missing what else you mean. Are you talking about universal reconciliation?

Just curious.

Peace

Faith in selfless Unity for Good.

 

[Josiah]

1. NO ONE obeys God. NO ONE ceases to be sinful. So, if justification (narrow) and mercy and forgiveness were limited to those who obey, then there would be NO ONE justified, NO ONE receiving mercy, NO ONE receiving forgiveness - but then such wouldn't need any of that, would they? They would need no Christ, no Cross, no mercy, no grace because such obeys.

2. Let's say I buy all here at CH an annual pass to all the Disney resorts. I'm not going to because, unlike God, I'm not all loving or all powerful. But let's say I do. I go online tonight and purchases that, each in the name of each. It's there. But of course, you have to activate it and claim it (and if you don't use it, it's useless and won't benefit you). Now, let's say some of you DO go and claim it..... and some of you DO use your pass. When did this pass become yours, when was it paid for? TONIGHT. By whom? ME (well, not really cuz I'm not the equal of God). Now, you may not benefit from it until June 15, but that doesn't mean it didn't exist since April 18. Our justification was OURS on Easter Morning..... THAT'S when forgiveness, mercy, grace was given to me, you. That's when it was earned, that's when it was paid for. On the Cross - by the Empty Tomb. BY JESUS. Not your obedience, not your goody-goodiness, not by your watering down the law until it becomes an easy worthless hoop to boast your ego. When that mercy is APPLIED to you, it's applied to you - but that's not when it comes into existence, and your applying it is not why it exists.




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[popsthebuilder]

1. NO ONE obeys God. NO ONE ceases to be sinful. So, if justification (narrow) and mercy and forgiveness were limited to those who obey, then there would be NO ONE justified, NO ONE receiving mercy, NO ONE receiving forgiveness - but then such wouldn't need any of that, would they? They would need no Christ, no Cross, no mercy, no grace because such obeys.

2. Let's say I buy all here at CH an annual pass to all the Disney resorts. I'm not going to because, unlike God, I'm not all loving or all powerful. But let's say I do. I go online tonight and purchases that, each in the name of each. It's there. But of course, you have to activate it and claim it (and if you don't use it, it's useless and won't benefit you). Now, let's say some of you DO go and claim it..... and some of you DO use your pass. When did this pass become yours, when was it paid for? TONIGHT. By whom? ME (well, not really cuz I'm not the equal of God). Now, you may not benefit from it until June 15, but that doesn't mean it didn't exist since April 18. Our justification was OURS on Easter Morning..... THAT'S when forgiveness, mercy, grace was given to me, you. That's when it was earned, that's when it was paid for. On the Cross - by the Empty Tomb. BY JESUS. Not your obedience, not your goody-goodiness, not by your watering down the law until it becomes an easy worthless hoop to boast your ego. When that mercy is APPLIED to you, it's applied to you - but that's not when it comes into existence, and your applying it is not why it exists.




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You do realize that Paul is a self proclaimed prisoner of Christ and the cheifest of sinners right?

You do understand that, yes, all have sinned, and yes the Christ has made salvation available to all? And surely you understand that not all who claim to be believers will even be seen by Christ for judgement as he knows them not? Your argument makes no sense. If we sin, naturally, as flesh, then come into Faith in GOD through Christ, then how can you profess that to continue in vain sin is righteous? I mean, ok, I used to be an atheist, like a real hardcore atheist. Besides that; I was a horrible sinner. No exaggeration, terrible individual. Now, knowing of the Word of GOD, it is really unfathomable to even seriously consider returning to how I was. What I'm saying is; what is the difference in a sinner and a believer if they both are bound to sin? Why would GOD have seen it fit to crucify Christ if it was for no purpose? If we, knowing of the Word of GOD, are to continue as if we had never heard it then why allow/orchestrate/destine your most beloved to die? Lets look at it from a triune perspective; same problem. Why would God want or need, for our sake, to come and be sin for all creation if God preferred we just continue in sin.

Do you see the problem I'm having yet?

Yes, all have sinned.

Yes continuing in knowing sin and proclaiming such as righteous through Christ is blaspheming the Holy Spirit. If any witness the Holy Spirit, then would know of the things it places on third hearts. To know of such and ignore it while proclaiming to be a rightly guide believer has the potential to lead the faithful away from the narrow path, and such is the unforgiven sin.

I'm not attacking you, m just talking. But could you please answer my questions and concerns. I am truly confused on where this doctrine came from and how it is justified in scripture, even the writings of Paul which I find to be in line with the rest of the bible, and not contrary to it like many would have us think.

Peace brother

Faith in selfless Unity for Good.

 

[MoreCoffee]

1. NO ONE obeys God. NO ONE ceases to be sinful. ...

(Job 1:1) There was a man in the land of Uz, whose name was Job; and that man was blameless and upright, one who feared God, and turned away from evil.

(Job 1:8) And the LORD said to Satan, "Have you considered my servant Job, that there is none like him on the earth, a blameless and upright man, who fears God and turns away from evil?"

Genesis 5:18-24 And Jared lived for one hundred and sixty-two years, and then he conceived Enoch. (19) And after he conceived Enoch, Jared lived for eight hundred years, and he conceived sons and daughters. (20) And all the days of Jared that passed were nine hundred and sixty-two years, and then he died. (21) Now Enoch lived for sixty-five years, and then he conceived Methuselah. (22) And Enoch walked with God. And after he conceived Methuselah, he lived for three hundred years, and he conceived sons and daughters. (23) And all the days of Enoch that passed were three hundred and sixty-five years. (24) And he walked with God, and then he was seen no more, because God took him.

Hebrews 11:5-6 It was because of his faith that Enoch was taken up and did not experience death: he was no more, because God took him; because before his assumption he was acknowledged to have pleased God. (6) Now it is impossible to please God without faith, since anyone who comes to him must believe that he exists and rewards those who seek him.

Perhaps "no one" and "all" are not absolutely exhaustive as your post implies that they must be.

 

[Lamb]

Scripture does not say that they were sinless so please don't apply it where it doesn't say.

 

[psalms 91]

Bill, I've read your mentionings of universal salvation a few times and am curious as to what you mean. Salvation is available to all, but not all will accept it. But I'm missing what else you mean. Are you talking about universal reconciliation?

Just curious.

Peace

Faith in selfless Unity for Good.

There are those who believe that all will eventually be saved and that goes against the word but I see element sof that in some posts

 

[popsthebuilder]

There are those who believe that all will eventually be saved and that goes against the word but I see element sof that in some posts

Thanks

Faith in selfless Unity for Good.

 

[MoreCoffee]

Scripture does not say that they were sinless so please don't apply it where it doesn't say.

The passages say that Job was perfect (blameless in some translations) it is written there just as much as any other statement in holy scripture is. Job 1:1,8.

 

[psalms 91]

Jesus said do not call me good for there is only one that is good. It also says we sin daily and anyone that says he doesnt is a liar.

 

[Josiah]

(Job 1:1) There was a man in the land of Uz, whose name was Job; and that man was blameless and upright, one who feared God, and turned away from evil.

(Job 1:8) And the LORD said to Satan, "Have you considered my servant Job, that there is none like him on the earth, a blameless and upright man, who fears God and turns away from evil?"

Genesis 5:18-24 And Jared lived for one hundred and sixty-two years, and then he conceived Enoch. (19) And after he conceived Enoch, Jared lived for eight hundred years, and he conceived sons and daughters. (20) And all the days of Jared that passed were nine hundred and sixty-two years, and then he died. (21) Now Enoch lived for sixty-five years, and then he conceived Methuselah. (22) And Enoch walked with God. And after he conceived Methuselah, he lived for three hundred years, and he conceived sons and daughters. (23) And all the days of Enoch that passed were three hundred and sixty-five years. (24) And he walked with God, and then he was seen no more, because God took him.

Hebrews 11:5-6 It was because of his faith that Enoch was taken up and did not experience death: he was no more, because God took him; because before his assumption he was acknowledged to have pleased God. (6) Now it is impossible to please God without faith, since anyone who comes to him must believe that he exists and rewards those who seek him.

Perhaps "no one" and "all" are not absolutely exhaustive as your post implies that they must be.

No. The Hebrew word does not mean "perfect" in an absolute sense.... And none of the verses remotely state that GOD noted their moral and loving perfection. Contrary to your efforts, they do not contradict what God says: NO ONE is righteous..... ALL sin.....


There is an OUTWARD "righteousness" from the perspective of HUMANS - OUTWARDLY one can APPEAR to MAN as "righteous." It doesn't mean they are void of a sinful nature and that Scripture is wrong and false when it proclaims that NO ONE is righteous, NO, NOT EVEN ONE..... for ALL have sinned...... etc., etc., etc., etc., etc. The Bible says we must be PERFECT just as GOD is perfect (Matthew 5:48), not outwardly for awhile as Job appeared to me.... the Bible says we must be HOLY just as GOD is holy, not as my Aunt Sally appeared to be for awhile..... it specifically makes GOD the rule, norm, standard. You claim to be as morally perfect as GOD is? You claim to be as holy as GOD is? You claim to be as loving as GOD is on the Cross dying for us?


But I think your point is obvious (and predictable)..... the enormous, passionate effort to make Christ as small as possible and self as big as possible.....



Pax


- Josiah





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[TurtleHare]

The passages say that Job was perfect (blameless in some translations) it is written there just as much as any other statement in holy scripture is. Job 1:1,8.

Those terms are not on par with being sinless because Noah was labeled as "blameless" yet he got drunk off his behind and drunkenness is a sin according to Galatians 5:21.

 

[TurtleHare]

What of those who go by way of the wide path? Those who profess Christ with words, but whose hearts and deeds are far from Him?

Peace

Faith in selfless Unity for Good.

Do they have faith or not and really do you kniw a guy's heart because I doubt you do.