"The Church" wasn't your teacher, a teacher was, a man or a women who was either well informed or not so well informed and you & Josiah offer your recollections of school days incidents as what "the Church" taught despite knowing that it was a teacher or teachers who you recollect as teaching you whatever topic you've written about in your posts.
I decry this ploy of this very big and very esteemed RCC ministry: Shouting "HERESY!" at Protestants without ever indentifying that "heresy" (and thus avoided having to defend the RCC's teaching and to denounce the Protestants teaching)... thus EVADING apologetics for one reason: it's moot, Catholicism is right because it says it's right and it can't be wrong when it says it's right so it's right so there. AND then the two perpetually parroted points, that always prove Protestants wrong about everything, by definition: 1) Protestants don't officially and dogmatically number the Sacraments as SEVEN (never mind that actually the Anglicans do... never mind that the RCC itself didn't do this for centuries... never mind that Scripture and early Tradition don't either)... and 2) The RCC MUST be right about everything because it itself CURRENTLY at this moment is in full unity with it itself (officially, formally, denominationally anyway) in those things that it itself alone currently indicates that it itself should agree with it itself concerning (never mind that this is true for every church, denomination, sect, cult and heresy) - they'll go back to these two points no matter what issue in Protestantism they are discussing (but not identifying). It stinks.
As for your claim that Catholics (like Albion and I) are often taught WRONGLY....
The most stressed dogma in the Official Catechism of the RC Denomination states this, " Mindful of Christ's words to his apostles: "He who hears you, hears me", the faithful receive with docility the teachings and directives that their pastors give them in different forms." (#87). Ah, the foundation of the RCC, the whole enchilada. And "pastors" here simply means "teachers." With 'docility.' What does that mean? Exactly what the RCC says, that when a teacher says words, they are Jesus' words - with the same authority, deserving the same passive, quite docility. Now, you may lay this aside.... and admit that actually your denomination (and its mouths) CAN and DO err - horribly, even heretically - and thus denounce your denomination, but that doesn't change the milieu (or #87 of the Catechism). By the way, the RCC's love for this verse, "He who hears you, hears me" is abused (endlessly, foundationally) because Jesus didn't say that to the singular RC Denomination; the "you" isn't it. The whole ploy is based on an obvious falsehood.
Albion and I (and virtually every other current or former Catholic known to me) have had the same experience (to variant degrees) and were taught pretty much the same things. This is obvious by us sharing these things.... and I suspect you too know this because you've never once remotely even implied that we are lying or making anything up or even remembering wrongly; you've never once remotely suggested any of that and I suspect the reason is that you too know this is what is taught, what is the milieu. You seem to hold the position of "Yeah, but you were taught heresy, what you SHOULD have been taught is.....!!!!!" And you have a point (even since I've left your denomination, I've learned that much I was taught was not only not biblical not even really Roman Catholic)... but don't blame the innocent Catholic laity! They are told - over and over and over, as boldly and loudly as possible - to just docilicly, passively, swallow whole WHATEVER is tuaght because when a Catholic teacher speaks, JESUS IS SPEAKING; their mouth is literally His. And good Catholics (as I was and I suspect Albion was) do as we were told. Don't blame us.... blame your denomination and above all its foundational DEMAND that all quietly, docilicly, passively swallow what they are taught.
I agree with you, MC.... some that is taught in the RCC is bad and wrong and not even really Catholic (Including in this video you won't disagree with).
Luther, as a Doctor of the Church with the responsibility and assignment of pointing out obvious error, noted EXACTLY THE SAME THING as he rebuked those indulgence sellers who were clearly teaching falsehood and against Catholic teachings, they were guilty of the heresy of Pelagianism and in clear violation of the Council of Orange. He excused their ignorance and false motivation but fully expected your denomination would be thankful for his pointing this out and would immediate correct these "pastors" of the denomination to whom all were to just docilicly swallow whole WHATEVER they said.
And we all know what your denomination did. It's had 500 years to apologize, to note that actually Luther was right (and not those sellers of indulgences), but instead, it's locked into "I can't err so I can't err when I claim that I can't err so I can't err, says I for I alone." And the laity (at least the real Catholics) are stuck with "I just passively and docilicly swallow whole WHATEVER I'm told because whenever a Catholic teacher speaks, JESUS is speaking."
As for this thread...
Funny.... you noting this... because it's really the point of this thread. Here we find the Catholic Church.... saying
Luther is guilty of a HERESY (not 41 errors, but one HERESY)... perpetuating the claim... focusing on one thing (it often has said that is justification as Luther meant it).... but again, yet again, still again.... not identifying it. Hum.... Wonder why? And again renewing the two apologetics it applies to virtually anything Protestant: The RCC MUST be infallibly/unquestionably right BECAUSE 1) it officially numbers exactly SEVEN Sacraments and 2) it itself currently agrees with it itself (officially, formally, denominationally) in those things that it itself alone currently indicates are good for itself to agree with itself concerning. That proves Luther was a HERETIC in this matter CA again refuses to identify. Now.... what does CCC 87 tell all Catholics to do with that? And you do, and that just shows you are a true Catholic, but maybe you can step back enough..... pretend for a second CCC 87 didn't exist.... and see how destructive, divisive and absurd this "teaching" can be. In MY book, you'd have more respect if you
COULD (and that's the key word) say, "I think that's wrong." Now... I know.... you are going to retreat into "but it's only what the DENOMINATION officially, formally says as a DENOMINATION and then only in matters of faith and practice!" Yeah, but your denomination says it speaks via its teachers, and it's THEY all are to passively, docilicly swallow ("as unto Christ Himself").
The RCC is a fine denomination, with MUCH that is good. But like all other denominations, it has its weaknesses and faults. Ploys like we see here in this video... all founded on CCC 87.... deepen and perpetuate some of those faults.
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