"Catholic Answers" Why Did Luther's Heresy Persist?

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You and your interlocutor (@Josiah) appear to have strayed a good distance away from the topic of the thread.


The issue is why the premier Catholic apologetic ministry here again - yet again - speaks of Luther's heresy (singular in number, specifically a "heresy") but here again - yet again - won't say what that specific "heresy" is.

And the two things Catholic Answers says MATTER above all:

1. That the denomination dogmatically number EXACTLY SEVEN (not 6 or 8) Sacraments (evidently unaware that the RCC itself didn't do this for centuries and that others also so number... and unaware that Luther never dogmatically numbered them at all).

2. That the denomination has full unity with none but it itself alone, exclusively (and even that in only a very, very limited sense).... if a denomination agrees only with the one it itself sees in the mirror as it itself looks at just it itself, then such a denomination MUST be correct.




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the list of 41 heresies that Catholics contemporary with Martin Luther changed against Luther was given nobody seems very interested in the topic of Luther's heresy (or heresies) any more.


1. You've presented NOTHING that 41 is 1.

2. You've presented nothing to show that this mysterious list of 41 is the one heresy of Luther that this video is about.

3. You've chosen to not identify the individual person who presented this "list" or the website it is from.

4. You've presented nothing to show Luther said anything of these things or that these 41 things are specific "heresy" much less THE heresy this video is about.

5. Your premise that if some unknown, unidentified individual posts a bunch of entirely unsubstantiated stuff on some unknown, unidentified website ERGO it must be dogmatic truth and MUST be exactly what Catholic Answers means by "the heresy of Luther." I find your premise and apologetic quite absurd.





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Before you make the same crucial mistake more coffee made while mocking a gift.
I suggest sincerity is the best form of communication.

Greek and Latin are not something to boast about. And certainly not a language to consider honorable in the course of wind.

The Name of the Lord was not given in these languages, nor were the faithful washed in such.

Blessed be he that comes in the Name.

Forgive me - I thought I was being sincere...


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The Parable of Talents is not a doctrine on justification....

It is about Salvation and Condemnation vis a vis Talents...

Are you saying they are unrelated?

Correct, the word "kai" does NOT mandate (or even necessarily imply) chronological sequence.... thus your whole premise is baseless.

The point is that with the "kai"s removed, chronological sequence is still mandated...

No, the issue is WHO calls whom? WHO gives life to whom? WHO justifies whom? Who glorifies whom? MY position (which you have been debating and arguing against for 8 months now in MANY, MANY posts) is that Jesus is the Savior and does the saving/justifying, that the Holy Spirit is the Lord and Giver of life. The dead, fallen, lifeless, sinful, enemy of God does not do these for self.

The Call comes to those with at least one Talent, for ALL have at least ONE...

Your false argument is that men are born without even ONE Talent, you see...

A VERY anti-Biblical understanding, this "dead as a doornail" view of fallen man that you love...


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That's probably correct to say, but it doesn't justify the creation of a bogus list of alleged claims of heresy in which most items would not be heresies regardless of whom we were discussing.

It was a litany of doctrinal complaints...


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It is about Salvation and Condemnation vis a vis Talents...

The Parable of Talents is not a parable about justification.

On talent, see https://www.thoughtco.com/what-is-a-talent-700699

I reject your premise that we buy our way into heaven by doing good works.



The point is that with the "kai"s removed, chronological sequence is still mandated...

If I make a list of 5 things, it is absurd to argue THUS they dogmatically MUST happen in that chronological sequence - whether or not "and" or simply a comma is used. Your premise is absurd.



The Call comes to those with at least one Talent, for ALL have at least ONE...


So, your soteriology is based on every person being born with at least $30,000.00? Or do you believe that since no one is born with such, that God can't save them?



Your false argument is that men are born without even ONE Talent, you see...


In the Parable of the Talents, all are GIVEN such ($30,000 or $150,000 or $300,000) - no one just has it as a result of being a sinner and being born. And in the Parable, no one buys heaven with it (making Jesus irrelevant).




Now, back to the issues....



1. Why - again - does Catholic Answers so boldly declare "Luther's heresy" (singular and specifically "heresy") but again craftfully evades saying what "heresy" that is?

2. Why are the two marks of a correct/infallible/all lording denomination A) That denomination dogmatically numbers exactly SEVEN Sacraments and B) it itself alone in is full agreement only and exclusively with it itself alone; if a denomination only agrees with the one it itself alone sees in the mirror as it it looks at itself, then that one is correct, infallible, all-lord over all. The two apologetical points of the video over against the specific "heresy" that it carefully chooses to not identify.





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1. You've presented NOTHING that 41 is 1.

2. You've presented nothing to show that this mysterious list of 41 is the one heresy of Luther that this video is about.

3. You've chosen to not identify the individual person who presented this "list" or the website it is from.

4. You've presented nothing to show Luther said anything of these things or that these 41 things are specific "heresy" much less THE heresy this video is about.

5. Your premise that if some unknown, unidentified individual posts a bunch of entirely unsubstantiated stuff on some unknown, unidentified website ERGO it must be dogmatic truth and MUST be exactly what Catholic Answers means by "the heresy of Luther." I find your premise and apologetic quite absurd.

Okay, let's stop with this. The source of MC's list (which isn't his list) has been provided. The author and source are no longer "unknown, unidentified individual posts a bunch of entirely unsubstantiated stuff on some unknown, unidentified website". It's been given many times by me. Look it up. Read it. I did. That's how one develops reasonable answers in these discussions instead of baseless accusations of the sort above. It then becomes no longer the premise and apologetic of MC or other posters that you find "quite absurd", but the position of the RCC and Catholic Answers. That's been noted already and perhaps we can move on. I provided the link for discussion myself. Perhaps it would be of more value and use, and more germane to the OP, to use that to further the discussion?
 

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It was a litany of doctrinal complaints...


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That's how I read it as well, followed by a loving appeal to Luther to come back to the Mother Church for forgiveness and correction. Aren't they so sweet?

source said:
Therefore let Martin himself and all those adhering to him, and those who shelter and support him, through the merciful heart of our God and the sprinkling of the blood of our Lord Jesus Christ by which and through whom the redemption of the human race and the upbuilding of holy mother Church was accomplished, know that from our heart we exhort and beseech that he cease to disturb the peace, unity, and truth of the Church for which the Savior prayed so earnestly to the Father. Let him abstain from his pernicious errors that he may come back to us. If they really will obey, and certify to us by legal documents that they have obeyed, they will find in us the affection of a father’s love, the opening of the font of the effects of paternal charity, and opening of the font of mercy and clemency.
http://www.papalencyclicals.net/leo10/l10exdom.htm
 

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[MENTION=13]Josiah[/MENTION], the link is here

http://www.papalencyclicals.net/Leo10/l10exdom.htm

Catholic Answers provides the link to the above here: https://www.catholic.com/index.php/qa/the-churchs-response-to-luther

A search in bing for Exurge Domine yields these liks:
  1. Exsurge Domine - Wikipedia
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exsurge_Domine

    Domine (Latin for "Arise, O Lord") is a papal bull promulgated on 15 June 1520 by Pope Leo X. It was written in response to the teachings of Martin Luther which opposed the views of the Church.
  2. Exsurge Domine - Papal Encyclicals
    www.papalencyclicals.net/Leo10/l10exdom

    Arise, O Lord, and judge your own cause. Remember your reproaches to those who are filled with foolishness all through the day. Listen to our prayers, for foxes have arisen seeking to destroy the vineyard whose winepress you alone have trod.
  3. Exsurge Domine | papal bull | Britannica.com
    https://www.britannica.com/topic/Exsurge-Domine

    Other articles where Exsurge Domine is discussed: Johann Eck: …helped compose the papal bull Exsurge Domine (June 1520), in which Pope Leo X condemned 41 of Luther’s theses and threatened the latter with excommunication. Leo X then commissioned Eck to publish and enforce the new papal bull throughout Germany.
  4. Exsurge Domine : Condemning the Errors of Martin Luther
    https://www.ewtn.com/library/PAPALDOC/L10EXDOM.HTM

    EXSURGE DOMINE Condemning The Errors Of Martin Luther: Pope Leo X. Bull issued June 15, 1520. Arise, O Lord, and judge your own cause. Remember your reproaches to those who are filled with foolishness all through the day. Listen to our prayers, for foxes have arisen seeking to destroy the vineyard whose winepress you alone have trod. When you were about to ascend to your Father, you …

A google search yields this:
  1. Exsurge Domine - Papal Encyclicals
    www.papalencyclicals.net/leo10/l10exdom.htm

    Exsurge Domine. Condemning the Errors of Martin Luther. Pope Leo X - 1520. Arise, O Lord, and judge your own cause. Remember your reproaches to those ...
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  2. Exsurge Domine - Wikipedia
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exsurge_Domine

    Exsurge Domine (Latin for "Arise, O Lord") is a papal bull promulgated on 15 June 1520 by Pope Leo X. It was written in response to the teachings of Martin Luther which opposed the views of the Church.
    ‎History · ‎Text · ‎Reaction · ‎Notes
  3. Pope Leo X 15 June 1520 Condemning the Errors of Martin Luther
    https://www.ewtn.com/library/papaldoc/l10exdom.htm

    EXSURGE DOMINE Condemning The Errors Of Martin Luther. Pope Leo X. Bull issued June 15, 1520. Arise, O Lord, and judge your own cause. Remember ...
  4. Exsurge Domine | papal bull | Britannica.com
    https://www.britannica.com/topic/Exsurge-Domine

    …helped compose the papal bull Exsurge Domine (June 1520), in which Pope Leo X condemned 41 of Luther's theses and threatened the latter with excommunication. Leo X then commissioned Eck to publish and enforce the new papal bull throughout Germany.
  5. Bull “Exsurge Domine” proclaimed in Rome | Reformation 500
    https://reformation500.csl.edu/timeline/bull-exsurge-domine-proclaimed-in-rome/

    The bull threatening Luther with excommunication, Exsurge Domine (“Arise, O Lord”), was published on June 15, 1520. It represented the culmination of several ...

Finding the list that I posted and for which ImaginaryDay2 provided a link is very easy. The name of the document, which I gave several times, is Exsurge Domine just type it into the search engine that you use and you ought to find it.
 

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Okay, let's stop with this. The source of MC's list (which isn't his list) has been provided.

It seems by YOU.... in post EIGHTY-THREE.... yup, I missed that.

I still miss how 41 is 1. This video is about a heresy..... singular and specifically a "heresy." Not "points I disagree with" but "heresy"

And I still miss how the two apologetic points for the RCC condemning this (unidentified singular specific heresy) namely that 1) A denomination is right that has officially and dogmatically declared that there are EXACTLY seven sacraments and 2) A denomination that has unity with ITSELF in a very, extremely limited sense, how these two apologetical points prove that this never identified specific "heresy" is just that. I miss that.



I provided the link for discussion myself. Perhaps it would be of more value and use, and more germane to the OP, to use that to further the discussion?


Nice you did that.... WELL into the discussion.....

The video doesn't list 41 (never mentions that number) or "errors" (never mentions that word) speaks of a specific "heresy" and never identifies what that is. BTW, MoreCoffee didn't either (not that such matters). It's nice that you did (I missed that) but the video we are discussing isn't about 41 anything, it's about some never identified specific HERESY of Luther's - which "it" implies is heresy because the RCC now has exactly SEVEN Sacraments (it doesn't quote the Lutheran Confessions declaring any number) and because the RCC itself agrees with it itself on "the" matter (whatever "it" is) and if a denomination agrees with itself then it has to be correct on it. This is what this thread is discussing.


Which one of the 41 errors is the one specific "heresy" Catholic Answers keeps referring to but not identifying? And why do the two defenses given reveal Luthers' point to be specifically heresy, this 1) A denomination has officially, dogmatically proclaimed officially SEVEN Sacraments and 2) the denomination agrees with IT ITSELF (currently, officially, denominationally, in those few areas itself currently declares itself should agree with itself concerning) - how does the RCC having those two things (now) show that the RCC is right on "this" (whatever "this" is) and Luther is wrong on "this" (whatever "this" is)?


I have read and watched so much of what this premier Catholic apologetics ministry puts out.... and this is SO typical. Often there's nice emotionalism but the POINTS are typically ... well.... left out. And those two apologetics SO often repeated: A denomination MUST - officially and dogmatically - declare EXACTLY seven Sacraments (CA seems unaware that the RCC didn't do this for centuries and that some other denominations also do this, ones it rejects) and that the denomination MUST be in agreement with IT ITSELF - currently, officially, denominationally, in those few things that it itself currently holds are right for it itself to currently agree with it itself concerning. We see those two apologetic points in this video again.... yet again..... this video about "Luther's HERESY",,, how do those two points show Luther's (unidentified) point to be "heresy?" I have read much of what this praised Catholic ministry (praised all the way to the top, by the Pope himself) - and this video is typical.





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I still miss how 41 is 1. How this one heresy is the heresy this video addresses by never identifying it.

Exsurge Domine starts with these words:
Exsurge Domine
Condemning the Errors of Martin Luther
Pope Leo X - 1520

Arise, O Lord, and judge your own cause. Remember your reproaches to those who are filled with foolishness all through the day. Listen to our prayers, for foxes have arisen seeking to destroy the vineyard whose winepress you alone have trod. When you were about to ascend to your Father, you committed the care, rule, and administration of the vineyard, an image of the triumphant church, to Peter, as the head and your vicar and his successors. The wild boar from the forest seeks to destroy it and every wild beast feeds upon it.

Rise, Peter, and fulfill this pastoral office divinely entrusted to you as mentioned above. Give heed to the cause of the holy Roman Church, mother of all churches and teacher of the faith, whom you by the order of God, have consecrated by your blood. Against the Roman Church, you warned, lying teachers are rising, introducing ruinous sects, and drawing upon themselves speedy doom. Their tongues are fire, a restless evil, full of deadly poison. They have bitter zeal, contention in their hearts, and boast and lie against the truth.

We beseech you also, Paul, to arise. It was you that enlightened and illuminated the Church by your doctrine and by a martyrdom like Peter’s. For now a new Porphyry rises who, as the old once wrongfully assailed the holy apostles, now assails the holy pontiffs, our predecessors.

Rebuking them, in violation of your teaching, instead of imploring them, he is not ashamed to assail them, to tear at them, and when he despairs of his cause, to stoop to insults. He is like the heretics “whose last defense,” as Jerome says, “is to start spewing out a serpent’s venom with their tongue when they see that their causes are about to be condemned, and spring to insults when they see they are vanquished.” For although you have said that there must be heresies to test the faithful, still they must be destroyed at their very birth by your intercession and help, so they do not grow or wax strong like your wolves. Finally, let the whole church of the saints and the rest of the universal church arise. Some, putting aside her true interpretation of Sacred Scripture, are blinded in mind by the father of lies. Wise in their own eyes, according to the ancient practice of heretics, they interpret these same Scriptures otherwise than the Holy Spirit demands, inspired only by their own sense of ambition, and for the sake of popular acclaim, as the Apostle declares. In fact, they twist and adulterate the Scriptures. As a result, according to Jerome, “It is no longer the Gospel of Christ, but a man’s, or what is worse, the devil’s.”

Let all this holy Church of God, I say, arise, and with the blessed apostles intercede with almighty God to purge the errors of His sheep, to banish all heresies from the lands of the faithful, and be pleased to maintain the peace and unity of His holy Church.

For we can scarcely express, from distress and grief of mind, what has reached our ears for some time by the report of reliable men and general rumor; alas, we have even seen with our eyes and read the many diverse errors. Some of these have already been condemned by councils and the constitutions of our predecessors, and expressly contain even the heresy of the Greeks and Bohemians. Other errors are either heretical, false, scandalous, or offensive to pious ears, as seductive of simple minds, originating with false exponents of the faith who in their proud curiosity yearn for the world’s glory, and contrary to the Apostle’s teaching, wish to be wiser than they should be. Their talkativeness, unsupported by the authority of the Scriptures, as Jerome says, would not win credence unless they appeared to support their perverse doctrine even with divine testimonies however badly interpreted. From their sight fear of God has now passed.

These errors have, at the suggestion of the human race, been revived and recently propagated among the more frivolous and the illustrious German nation. We grieve the more that this happened there because we and our predecessors have always held this nation in the bosom of our affection. For after the empire had been transferred by the Roman Church from the Greeks to these same Germans, our predecessors and we always took the Church’s advocates and defenders from among them. Indeed it is certain that these Germans, truly germane to the Catholic faith, have always been the bitterest opponents of heresies, as witnessed by those commendable constitutions of the German emperors in behalf of the Church’s independence, freedom, and the expulsion and extermination of all heretics from Germany. Those constitutions formerly issued, and then confirmed by our predecessors, were issued under the greatest penalties even of loss of lands and dominions against anyone sheltering or not expelling them. If they were observed today both we and they would obviously be free of this disturbance. Witness to this is the condemnation and punishment in the Council of Constance of the infidelity of the Hussites and Wyclifites as well as Jerome of Prague. Witness to this is the blood of Germans shed so often in wars against the Bohemians. A final witness is the refutation, rejection, and condemnation no less learned than true and holy of the above errors, or many of them, by the universities of Cologne and Louvain, most devoted and religious cultivators of the Lord’s field. We could allege many other facts too, which we have decided to omit, lest we appear to be composing a history.
After which follows the 41 errors of Luther and some concluding material.
 

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As I noted, Pope Leo (I think??) characterized them first as "errors" (in a general sense), then more specifically as "heretical, false, scandalous, or offensive to pious ears". He did not identify which were which. And I agree that the 'Catholic Answers' folks would have done us much more of a service by a clear statement of the singular "heresy" as Josiah noted. As they didn't, some credibility is lost and one might assume that C.A. is merely speaking in a vacuum.
 

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Exsurge Domine starts with these words:
Exsurge Domine
Condemning the Errors of Martin Luther
Pope Leo X - 1520



Yes, I'm familiar with this absurd, polemic RCC document from 1520.... with 41 absurdities, with NOTHING to REMOTELY substantiate that Luther said or taught or believed any of it or that such was "one of 41 errors" if he did, much less is the heresy of which CA speaks in this video. IF this thread were about this absurd list, we could discuss them but it's not, it's about a (very typical) video from the premier RCC apologetic ministry.


To the question I asked you but you didn't answer, how is forty-one one? The video speaks of "HERESY" (not errors) and consistently singular in number (no mention of 41 or even 2). I didn't ask for the 41 absurd, unsubstantiated claims of the RCC 500 years ago, I noted that the CA video is all about Luther's HERESY - and (once again) doesn't identify IT.


You've also chosen to not address how the RCC now having exactly SEVEN Sacraments and it itself currently, officially, denominationally agreeing with it itself proves Luther's heresy (which it - again - didn't identify) is just that.
 

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I agree that the 'Catholic Answers' folks would have done us much more of a service by a clear statement of the singular "heresy" as Josiah noted. As they didn't, some credibility is lost and one might assume that C.A. is merely speaking in a vacuum.


[MENTION=55]ImaginaryDay2[/MENTION]


Yup, that's the sole point. Seemed OBVIOUS to me, but you appear to be the only one to catch it.


It's a comment of mine that comes from my reading and viewing a LOT of their stuff.... from this highly esteemed (all the way to the Pope) Catholic apologetic ministry. This is SO typical. Both the sweeping, horrible accusation ("HERESY!!!") while (with great skill and craft) evading identify it.... and the 2 things that it suggests always proves the RCC is correct: It now has exactly SEVEN Sacraments AND that it itself agrees with it itself alone in a very, very limited sense (the same sense in which EVERY church, denomination, cult or sect agrees with it itself).


Pathetic. Cut out the bold condemnations ("HERESY!!!!!") if you lack the ability and guts to identify it and show such is the case.... and maybe CA needs to put to rest their two apologetical arguments (they seem to use for everything) - the RCC itself for centuries didn't officially number 7 (and some churches CA condemns do), and so what that the RCC agrees with none and none agrees with it - the same can be said of the LDS, what does that prove?



BUT.... I do theorize this.... when the RCC said that it was Luther's stance on Justification was the big problem, the major issue - it likely qualifies as "THE HERESY." And what was that teaching? That Jesus is the Savior - not self. So, IF Catholic Answers identified the BIG ONE Luther goofed on... well..... I suspect 99% of Catholics would shout back, "What wait, that's RIGHT, not HERESY!" Thus, all the skirting around, all the circumventing, all the refusal to identify. But that's just my theory, I can't know CA's motivation for the persistent evasion on that. See..... as one Catholic told me: "Many Catholics know Luther was right on THAT point... and it's even often taught today, we're just careful to say "it's initially grace in justification" in order to not say what Luther did, 'it's grace in initial justification' .... it's exactly the same thing, of course, but Luther was a horrible heretic on this very point so we word it so as to say the same thing without using the same words." Frankly, I think there may be a lot of truth in that observation. I HOPE THERE IS. But again, I can't say why CA is so consistently aloof on this point... why it loves to speak of Luther's HERESY but not identify it (beyond perhaps putting some very old documents on the website as archieve).






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As I noted, Pope Leo (I think??) characterized them first as "errors" (in a general sense), then more specifically as "heretical, false, scandalous, or offensive to pious ears". He did not identify which were which. And I agree that the 'Catholic Answers' folks would have done us much more of a service by a clear statement of the singular "heresy" as Josiah noted. As they didn't, some credibility is lost and one might assume that C.A. is merely speaking in a vacuum.

It seems likely to me that the Catholic Answers chaps are using "heresy" in the singular to denote "all the heresies of which Martin Luther was accused". It is like people speaking of "the sin of the world" meaning all sins in which human beings engage.
 

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...which brings us back to Josiah's original point (or one of them, anyhow), which was that Luther attracts a lot of cheap shots from Catholic spokesmen, as well as claims of there having been a heresy; but they feel no need to identify an actual heresy. Merely calling him a heretic must serve their purpose just as well.
 

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...which brings us back to Josiah's original point (or one of them, anyhow), which was that Luther attracts a lot of cheap shots from Catholic spokesmen, as well as claims of there having been a heresy; but they feel no need to identify an actual heresy. Merely calling him a heretic must serve their purpose just as well.

There's a very simple and relatively easy way to answer Josiah's question. Write a letter (or an email) to Catholic Answers addressed to the chap who hosted the program and ask what he meant by "Luther's heresy" after citing the YouTube URL for the video and explaining what was causing confusion/difficulty in what was said in the video.

The best person to write such a letter would be Josiah since he is the one who raised the question.

An answer will likely be given within a few weeks and the mystery may be solved.
 
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There's a very simple and relatively easy way to answer Josiah's question. Write a letter (or an email) to Catholic Answers addressed to the chap who hosted the program and ask what he meant by "Luther's heresy" after citing the YouTube URL for the video and explaining what was causing confusion/difficulty in what was said in the video.

The best person to wrote such a letter would be Josiah since he is the one who raised the question.

An answer will likely be given within a few weeks and the mystery may be solved.

While listening to yayr(jude did you ever stop to help hoshyah(josiah?

If the gift at an altar of reconciliation is denied. Where then is a person to go.

Is Luther's complaint valid or not?

Personally I thought Luther had and issue with greed. Hence the whole Halloween debacle created by u know who. Such devices only come from the sower known as elihu in the account of iyov whom marks his own goats with the blood and ashes of oxen.

So,
It would be a pleasant change of atmosphere if a believer were to humbly acknowledge that cefa' never visited nor aknowledge Rome.

Blessings are the children's bread.
 
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There's a very simple and relatively easy way to answer Josiah's question. Write a letter (or an email) to Catholic Answers addressed to the chap who hosted the program and ask what he meant by "Luther's heresy" after citing the YouTube URL for the video and explaining what was causing confusion/difficulty in what was said in the video.

The best person to wrote such a letter would be Josiah since he is the one who raised the question.

An answer will likely be given within a few weeks and the mystery may be solved.

Forgive me - I thought I was being sincere...


Arsenios

"Blessed are the meek......."

A strength of forgiveness is like honey..
While being taught to lean on the Lord in the spirit of knowledge(milk) and understanding(honey) there is, was and always an overwhelming comfort given..

Then as the spirit of prophecy flowed and testified to my soul.
Nourishment was undeniably rooted in the good soil.

Blessings Always.
 
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...which brings us back to Josiah's original point (or one of them, anyhow), which was that Luther attracts a lot of cheap shots from Catholic spokesmen, as well as claims of there having been a heresy; but they feel no need to identify an actual heresy. Merely calling him a heretic must serve their purpose just as well.


Ahha....


VERY typical of this premier Catholic apologetics ministry - with MANY publications, MANY radio stations, a very popular website, and countless videos.... praised by Catholics all the way to the top, by the Pope himself. It's how this Catholic ministry "rolls."

Often referring to "Luther's HERESY" (specifically "heresy" not just errors or wrongs or mistakes but specifically, technically a singular HERESY) but goes to some length to avoid actually identifying such. Could that be because if it did, Catholics would actually think Luther was RIGHT and not a specific "HERETIC?" Hum.... wonder.... But it is typical. So there must be SOME reason for the constant "HERESY" charge (singular, specifically heresy) but not identifying it.

AND we see the same two apologetics in this video that we see from them ALL THE TIME.... That the correct church is the one that 1) Has an official, dogmatic embrace of exactly SEVEN Sacraments and 2) is in full agreement with it itself but no other and no other has unity with it. Same two points.... over and over like a broken record.... the "answer" to just about everything and anything.... Never acknowledging that the RCC itself didn't do this for many centuries and that there are other wrong denominations that have it; and never acknowledging that every cult, sect, denomination, church is in full unity with it itself uniquely, EVERY cult or church or denomination you could name has AT LEAST what Catholic Answers says makes a denomination/church/sect/cult correct. So much nonsense... seemingly aimed at folks who don't think and won't challenge. But the division kept alive with all the "that HERESY" (not identified) stuff.




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I don't know what to think about that Seven Sacraments emphasis, but it is evident from posts on discussion boards and Catholic publications, not to mention the Catholic education you and I both received first-hand from "the Church," that a certain paranoia is inculcated into members of the denomination. The whole world is out to get them--just them--because, of course, they are right and the whole world knows it to be so! I suppose that the Jehovah's Witnesses and Scientology operate in a similar fashion, but that is a guess since I haven't talked with many of those people.
 
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