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[Michael]

“For God has not given us a spirit of timidity, but of power and love and discipline. Therefore do not be ashamed of the testimony of our Lord or of me His prisoner, but join with me in suffering for the gospel according to the power of God, who has saved us and called us with a holy calling, not according to our works, but according to His own purpose and grace which was granted us in Christ Jesus from all eternity, but now has been revealed by the appearing of our Savior Christ Jesus, who abolished death and brought life and immortality to light through the gospel, for which I was appointed a preacher and an apostle and a teacher.”
2 Timothy 1:7-11 - NASB

It says right here that we are not saved by our works.
We do works because we have been saved; we don’t do works to get saved.

2 Cor. 6:17-18 was pulled out of context.
Here is the context
..what agreement has the temple of God with idols? For we are the temple of the living God; just as God said, “ I will dwell in them and walk among them; And I will be their God, and they shall be My people . “ Therefore, come out from their midst and be separate,” says the Lord. “ And do not touch what is unclean ; And I will welcome you. “ And I will be a father to you, And you shall be sons and daughters to Me,” Says the Lord Almighty.
2 Corinthians 6:16-18 - NASB

The them that are being referred to are those who practiced unrighteousness! Context is everything.

You left out the word ‘therefore’and therefore never begins the context.
Why did you leave out verse 16, which begins the context? Verse 16 tells us who we are and verse 17 tells us who they are! Context is everything.

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Oh, friend, not here to argue, only bring to light the great bulk of Scripture which is routinely ignored in favor of a handful of verses with which man has constructed the "Christian Religion."

I've been sharing for many years now on the relationship between "works" and "salvation." Honestly, most modern evangelical preaching is completely foreign to the Scripture.
I'm currently revisiting a 6-month long Bible Study I did a couple years ago on 1Cor 10, in which Paul teaches on salvation and our Journey in Christ (http://to-him-who-overcomes.com/entries/1corinthians-10-study)

And oh yes, Context is everything when studying the written Word!! That is why I always check not only the surrounding passages when teaching, but most importantly... WHO is the Apostle or Prophet or Jesus or God Himself addressing with an admonition, exhortation, warning or promise.

Verse 17 which I quoted fits in very well the preceding verses, which warn the 'believer' to "set themselves" apart from the darkness of the world. If they do not, they will not be called His sons & daughters. Yes, the context is vital to help us understand what God has called us to and charged us with. We have indeed been "saved" by the Blood of the Lamb... now, will be obedient to the One we claim is our Lord, that He will "count us worthy" in that Day to receive Sonship and inherit the promises of God given only to those who truly "overcome."

I've shared this earlier I think either in this or the Biblical Repentance thread, but God gave me a word concerning Context and I recorded this short teaching here -

https://youtu.be/DyuWFL3_bAI

 

[Arsenios]

2 Cor. 6:17-18 was pulled out of context.
Here is the context
..what agreement has the temple of God with idols? For we are the temple of the living God; just as God said, “ I will dwell in them and walk among them; And I will be their God, and they shall be My people . “ Therefore, come out from their midst and be separate,” says the Lord. “ And do not touch what is unclean ; And I will welcome you. “ And I will be a father to you, And you shall be sons and daughters to Me,” Says the Lord Almighty.
2 Corinthians 6:16-18 - NASB

The context here clearly seems to be the Temple of God vs that of the Idols...

The historic Church understands this as meaning that we are not to participate in Services outside our own Communion...

Which is why Communion and ex-Communication are such a big deal...

Arsenios

 

[RichWh1]

I put the portion of Scripture in context because someone took it out of context to make a pretext.



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[FredVB]

Oh, friend, not here to argue, only bring to light the great bulk of Scripture which is routinely ignored in favor of a handful of verses with which man has constructed the "Christian Religion."

I've been sharing for many years now on the relationship between "works" and "salvation." Honestly, most modern evangelical preaching is completely foreign to the Scripture.
I'm currently revisiting a 6-month long Bible Study I did a couple years ago on 1Cor 10, in which Paul teaches on salvation and our Journey in Christ (http://to-him-who-overcomes.com/entries/1corinthians-10-study)

And oh yes, Context is everything when studying the written Word!! That is why I always check not only the surrounding passages when teaching, but most importantly... WHO is the Apostle or Prophet or Jesus or God Himself addressing with an admonition, exhortation, warning or promise.

Verse 17 which I quoted fits in very well the preceding verses, which warn the 'believer' to "set themselves" apart from the darkness of the world. If they do not, they will not be called His sons & daughters. Yes, the context is vital to help us understand what God has called us to and charged us with. We have indeed been "saved" by the Blood of the Lamb... now, will be obedient to the One we claim is our Lord, that He will "count us worthy" in that Day to receive Sonship and inherit the promises of God given only to those who truly "overcome."

Yes, it is important that we study seeing any of the scripture passages and not be neglecting any, learning which of the themes in the Bible they are a part of, with attention to contexts, within the text and of the cultural setting, and who is addressed. Where it was posted, 'We have indeed been "saved" by the Blood of the Lamb', this must be those who are saved, and the important part of that which should not be neglected is that it is with repentance to come to Christ, in whom there is atonement, to restore those of us coming to this to God in response to Yahweh's grace, and turn us from sin in our lives, that should not continue further than it has to with our old sin nature that we are to die to. With repentance being real, the salvation is real, and the enabling in Christ through the Spirit of God is provided to do the good works we should, which give testimony to us to be sure of the everlasting life we are told we can know of. We then overcome as we persist in this faith we live.

 

[pinacled]

I don't like how you refuse to answer MY question which is pertinent to the Christian faith.

Its likely that to answer such a question would be like explaining how a single nail pierced our Lord Yeshua through his hands and feet.

Been a while and thought to visit and say hello,

Blessings Always sis

 

[Michael]

Yes, it is important that we study seeing any of the scripture passages and not be neglecting any, learning which of the themes in the Bible they are a part of, with attention to contexts, within the text and of the cultural setting, and who is addressed. Where it was posted, 'We have indeed been "saved" by the Blood of the Lamb', this must be those who are saved, and the important part of that which should not be neglected is that it is with repentance to come to Christ, in whom there is atonement, to restore those of us coming to this to God in response to Yahweh's grace, and turn us from sin in our lives, that should not continue further than it has to with our old sin nature that we are to die to. With repentance being real, the salvation is real, and the enabling in Christ through the Spirit of God is provided to do the good works we should, which give testimony to us to be sure of the everlasting life we are told we can know of. We then overcome as we persist in this faith we live.

Amen.
Thank you for your response and agreement.

It has become so hard for many church-goers today to accept what Jesus and the rest of Scripture teaches concerning the need for God's people to repent and walk in obedience to God's commands given through Christ Jesus, if they are to enter into the "rest of God", and receive an inheritance in His Kingdom. The command, which appears numerous times in the New Testament to "walk worthy" has been replaced with 'we are automatically worthy because of what Jesus did.' And the command that we must actually Repent and "stop sinning", has been replaced with unScriptural phrases such as 'God sees me through Christ' or 'my continued sins are already forgiven because I've accepted Christ's atonement.'

But Jesus warned His disciples not to be "deceived." For much "ear-tickling" doctrine would arise as we near the time of His return.

Peace & Blessings to you as you walk with Jesus.

"He who overcomes, I will make him a pillar in the temple of My God, and he shall go out no more. I will write on him the name of My God and the name of the city of My God, the New Jerusalem, which comes down out of heaven from My God. And I will write on him My new name." - Rev 3:12


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[Doug]

"They will walk with Me in white, for they are worthy." - Rev 3:4

Do we know that the promises of God are to those who prove themselves worthy?
These is the Word of Jesus. Can we accept it?

"Then Jesus said to His disciples, “If anyone desires to come after Me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow Me." - Matt 16:24

"And he who does not take his cross and follow after Me is not worthy of Me." - Matt 10:38

Jesus proved worthy of His calling; He bore His Cross. Will we bear our cross and prove worthy of what God has called us for?
If we are to overcome and enter into our inheritance, we must be found worthy.
For the Bible tells me so.

God's wisdom & understanding to all.

https://youtu.be/TjY7Y0ryRkc

Revelation 3:4 is speaking to Sardis not the church today

Revelation 3:5 is saying those who are worthy and will overcome will be clothed in white raiment which is the believing remnant of Israel not the church today

 

[Michael]

Revelation 3:4 is speaking to Sardis not the church today

Revelation 3:5 is saying those who are worthy and will overcome will be clothed in white raiment which is the believing remnant of Israel not the church today

Sorry, but that is incorrect. Too much of the rest of Scripture to back up what I've been teaching for many years now. But thanks for your input!
I challenge you to actually watch this highly controversial video which has received much debate from those who have been afraid to view it's contents. For indeed it will bring conviction, as the Word of Christ and the Apostles admonishes us.

Peace & Blessings
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[zecryphon_nomdiv]

Sorry, but that is incorrect. Too much of the rest of Scripture to back up what I've been teaching for many years now. But thanks for your input!
I challenge you to actually watch this highly controversial video which has received much debate from those who have been afraid to view it's contents. For indeed it will bring conviction, as the Word of Christ and the Apostles admonishes us.

Peace & Blessings
:ange06:

How is that incorrect when Revelation 3:1 says this:

Revelation 3*New American Standard Bible (NASB)

Message to Sardis

3*“To the angel of the church in*Sardis write:
He who has*the seven Spirits of God and*the seven stars, says this: ‘I know your deeds, that you have a name that you are alive,*[a]but you are*dead.

This verse tells us that the message is for the angel at the church of Sardis.

 

[Michael]

How is that incorrect when Revelation 3:1 says this:

Revelation 3*New American Standard Bible (NASB)

Message to Sardis

3*“To the angel of the church in*Sardis write:
He who has*the seven Spirits of God and*the seven stars, says this: ‘I know your deeds, that you have a name that you are alive,*[a]but you are*dead.

This verse tells us that the message is for the angel at the church of Sardis.

In Rev 3:20, Jesus is speaking directly to the Laodicean church.

And all the promises to "he who overcomes" in Rev 2 & 3 are speaking directly to specific churches.

When those alive in those churches at that exact time in history died... did the promises of God die with them?

onder:

 

[zecryphon_nomdiv]

In Rev 3:20, Jesus is speaking directly to the Laodicean church.

And all the promises to "he who overcomes" in Rev 2 & 3 are speaking directly to specific churches.

When those alive in those churches at that exact time in history died... did the promises of God die with them?

onder:

That doesn't answer the question I posed to you.

 

[Michael]

That doesn't answer the question I posed to you.

I love how Jesus often answered a question with a question of His own.

Again, either all the promises and warnings in Rev 2 & 3 apply to us today, or none of them do.
We cannot pick & choose the verses we like and pass off the rest to the Jews or the heathen.

 

[Michael]

And again...

To present any kind of valid counter argument worth considering, one would actually have to know what I said in the teaching.

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[zecryphon_nomdiv]

I love how Jesus often answered a question with a question of His own.

Again, either all the promises and warnings in Rev 2 & 3 apply to us today, or none of them do.
We cannot pick & choose the verses we like and pass off the rest to the Jews or the heathen.

"I love how Jesus often answered a question with a question of His own. "

I'm sure you do, but you're not Jesus. So can you please answer the actual questions that are posed to you?

"Again, either all the promises and warnings in Rev 2 & 3 apply to us today, or none of them do."

That's not what you were asked about.

"We cannot pick & choose the verses we like and pass off the rest to the Jews or the heathen."

So stop doing it. I asked you about Revelation 3:1 to show you that Revelation 3 was addressed to a specific church at a specific time. But instead of answering my question, you choose to pick Revelation 3:20 and attempt to discuss that instead.

 

[zecryphon_nomdiv]

And again...

To present any kind of valid counter argument worth considering, one would actually have to know what I said in the teaching.

op2:

Worth considering? Is that how Jesus spoke to people who questioned Him? Is that how He instructed you to talk to people during the three years you claim to have walked with Him? No matter what lofty title you give yourself, whether you call yourself a prophet or an oracle, you'll never be the kind of teacher Jesus is. In everything Jesus said, He pointed people to His Father, you instead point people not to Jesus, but to your videos, your essays, your teachings and your Bible studies. Do you see the difference between what you do and what Jesus did?

 

[Michael]

Worth considering? Is that how Jesus spoke to people who questioned Him? Is that how He instructed you to talk to people during the three years you claim to have walked with Him? No matter what lofty title you give yourself, whether you call yourself a prophet or an oracle, you'll never be the kind of teacher Jesus is. In everything Jesus said, He pointed people to His Father, you instead point people not to Jesus, but to your videos, your essays, your teachings and your Bible studies. Do you see the difference between what you do and what Jesus did?

Oh son, you really don't pay attention do you? I prefaced a statement of the Apostle Peter that some in this forum refuse to accept, stating that he (Peter) walked with Jesus for 3 years. I wasn't referring to myself. Although I've been a disciple of Jesus for 21 years now, just haven't met Him physically yet, as Peter did.

And again, I don't care if you ever watch of the Truth I share. Most likely it's not for you, or Kathy, or some others on here anyway. But it is for a few. Jesus often taught in Parables so the people "wouldn't understand", as He said, "Lest they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears, Lest they should understand with their hearts and turn, So that I should heal them.’ (Matt 13:15) But those whom God gave Him, did hear and receive ALL that He taught.

As I've shared throughout my time here, what I present IS Truth. The great bulk of Scripture confirms what the Lord has given me to teach. Just as most did not accept what Jesus and His Apostles taught, I actually expect the majority to ignore or attack what I share as well. You may very well be where God has called you to be, although perhaps an attitude check in is order (I still have some of my "old man" in myself as well that He is dealing with me about).

In the end, what I have stated in each of my videos, and postings is in absolute accordance with the Scripture. No one has been able to take the massive amount of passages I present and prove otherwise. Not one has even attempt to do such. The boldness I preach with is the same as had the Apostle Paul and Peter and James. And as each of Jesus closest disciples was persecuted by the religious folk, I have experienced some of that here as well. "For envy they killed the Christ."

The Lord is our final Judge, who will "render to each one according to our works", "according to what we have done" in this life. Those found "worthy" will "walk with Him in white", dressed in their own "righteous deeds." That IS what the Scripture declares.

May we who name the Name of Christ know ALL that God's Word declares, not just the handful of verses plucked out of context that seem to imply all we have to do is "believe" and Jesus will do the rest. Even Martin Luther wold balk at such an immature understanding

Peace & Blessings to all who walk with Jesus.

 

[zecryphon_nomdiv]

Oh son, you really don't pay attention do you? I prefaced a statement of the Apostle Peter that some in this forum refuse to accept, stating that he (Peter) walked with Jesus for 3 years. I wasn't referring to myself. Although I've been a disciple of Jesus for 21 years now, just haven't met Him physically yet, as Peter did.

And again, I don't care if you ever watch of the Truth I share. Most likely it's not for you, or Kathy, or some others on here anyway. But it is for a few. Jesus often taught in Parables so the people "wouldn't understand", as He said, "Lest they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears, Lest they should understand with their hearts and turn, So that I should heal them.’ (Matt 13:15) But those whom God gave Him, did hear and receive ALL that He taught.

As I've shared throughout my time here, what I present IS Truth. The great bulk of Scripture confirms what the Lord has given me to teach. Just as most did not accept what Jesus and His Apostles taught, I actually expect the majority to ignore or attack what I share as well. You may very well be where God has called you to be, although perhaps an attitude check in is order (I still have some of my "old man" in myself as well that He is dealing with me about).

In the end, what I have stated in each of my videos, and postings is in absolute accordance with the Scripture. No one has been able to take the massive amount of passages I present and prove otherwise. Not one has even attempt to do such. The boldness I preach with is the same as had the Apostle Paul and Peter and James. And as each of Jesus closest disciples was persecuted by the religious folk, I have experienced some of that here as well. "For envy they killed the Christ."

The Lord is our final Judge, who will "render to each one according to our works", "according to what we have done" in this life. Those found "worthy" will "walk with Him in white", dressed in their own "righteous deeds." That IS what the Scripture declares.

May we who name the Name of Christ know ALL that God's Word declares, not just the handful of verses plucked out of context that seem to imply all we have to do is "believe" and Jesus will do the rest. Even Martin Luther wold balk at such an immature understanding

Peace & Blessings to all who walk with Jesus.

Nobody plucks verses out of context to create the Christian religion. I suggest you read some Luther before you claim to know what he teaches. Those of us with eyes to see, can see you have no faith in Jesus. Faith in Christ plus nothing equals salvation, but you knock yourself out teaching otherwise, and deceiving as many as you can. Us Christians will continue to trust in what Jesus has done, not in our works to earn eternal life as you falsely and unapolegetically teach. Jesus did do it all. That's why He said "It is finished," before bowing His head and giving up His spirit.

 

[Lamb]

In the book of Revelation it is asked Who is Worthy?

Do you know your name wasn't mentioned? That means that you never quite made it to sinlessness. You couldn't do all the works God wants you to do. You never did fully obey God.

Only ONE was revealed to be Worthy. Look it up.

 

[popsthebuilder]

(15) Now when one of those who sat at the table with Him heard these things, he said to Him, "Blessed*is*he who shall eat bread in the kingdom of God!" (16) Then He said to him, "A certain man gave a great supper and invited many, (17) and sent his servant at supper time to say to those who were invited, "Come, for all things are now ready." (18) But they all with one*accord*began to make excuses. The first said to him, "I have bought a piece of ground, and I must go and see it. I ask you to have me excused." (19) And another said, "I have bought five yoke of oxen, and I am going to test them. I ask you to have me excused." (20) Still another said, "I have married a wife, and therefore I cannot come." (21) So that servant came and reported these things to his master. Then the master of the house, being angry, said to his servant, "Go out quickly into the streets and lanes of the city, and bring in here*the*poor and*the*maimed and*the*lame and*the*blind." (22) And the servant said, "Master, it is done as you commanded, and still there is room." (23) Then the master said to the servant, "Go out into the highways and hedges, and compel*them*to come in, that my house may be filled. (24) For I say to you that none of those men who were invited shall taste my supper.""
New King James Version***Change your email Bible version

In analyzing the Parable of the Great Supper (Luke 14:15-24), we must consider the two*parables*that precede it: the Parables of the Ambitious Guest (verses 7-11) and the Feast (verses 12-14). Although all three are spoken at the same time in the same house,*Jesus*describes three different occasions: a wedding, a feast, and a great supper. It is evident that His entire conversation contains a single, main theme.

First, Jesus tells the Parable of the Ambitious Guest, which is*about a wedding and the right and wrong ways of inviting people. He adds to what He had said about the Pharisees loving the best seats in the synagogue (Luke 11:43), making it clear that humility comes before true exaltation. Those not seeking promotion are to have the important places in social life. Those who exalt themselves will be abased, and the humble will be exalted (James 4:10;*I Peter 5:6).

Then, Jesus tells the Parable of the Feast, giving his host a lesson on whom to invite to a meal. The key to the parable is, "Lest they also invite you back, and you be repaid." If the host invited only his rich friends, of course, he would expect them to offer him like hospitality, but when people act on this basis, they derail true hospitality. Godly hospitality occurs when one serves others while expecting nothing in return (I Peter 4:9).

The Parable of the Great Supper is Jesus' response to a fellow dinner guest exclaiming, "Blessed is he who shall eat bread in the*kingdom of God!" All three parables deal with the general theme of hospitality, but the last adds humility and self-examination.

Jesus pictures God's choice in the kind of guests He desires at His table. The parable shows a progression of urgency as time grows short. The first invitation is conveyed to the Israelites simply as "come." The second, "bring in," is directed at the spiritually poor, injured, crippled, and blind, symbolizing the Gentiles without previous access to the truth. The third, "compel," affects an even lower class of people representing the spiritual fringes of*this world.

None of the three invitees has any desire to fellowship, expressing the same willing captivation by the cares of this world. Many fail to realize that the invitation is from*God*the Father to His children, and failure to respond constitutes willful disobedience. None who so decidedly reject the offer of the Kingdom will be saved (Hebrews 6:4-6;*10:26-31). It is dangerous to reject the truth of God. The invitation is full and free, but when people turn willfully away from it, God leaves them to their chosen way of destruction. How important it is to cherish God's offer of the blessings of His way of life and eternal life in His Kingdom and to examine our own dedication.

—*Martin G. Collins



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[Michael]

In the book of Revelation it is asked Who is Worthy?

Do you know your name wasn't mentioned? That means that you never quite made it to sinlessness. You couldn't do all the works God wants you to do. You never did fully obey God.

Only ONE was revealed to be Worthy. Look it up.

Curious if you're going exclusively by what your "priest" or "pastor" has told you? For when we read the entire verse that you mention, it states "“Who is worthy to open the scroll and to loose its seals?” (Rev 5:2) Indeed there is only One worthy to open the scroll and loose the seals of God's judgment. Reading the entire verse in it's context helps so much in understanding God's Word.

Now, a couple chapter earlier we read of those who "will walk with Me in white, for they are worthy." (Rev 3:4) Amen. Can we receive this? I can. The common explanation in our Religion today is that 'we are worthy because He is worthy', but we find that is not taught anywhere in the canon of Scripture. And from what Jesus taught - "he who does not take his cross and follow after Me is not worthy of Me." (Matt 10:38), and Paul in nearly every letter to the churches - (Eph 4:1, Phil 1:27, Col 1:10, 1Thess 2:12, 2Thess 1:5, 2Thess 1:11, of which I explain in the video), we find that to inherit the promises of God (which is far beyond the kindergarten step of being "saved") we absolutely must be "found worthy."

And THAT is Bible!!