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[Michael]

To get us back on track here...
In answer to Arsenios question,

How is this Biblical understanding discipled?

I have found the answer in the Psalm -

"To you, O Lord, I lift up my soul.
2 O my God, in you I trust;
do not let me be put to shame;
do not let my enemies exult over me.
3 Do not let those who wait for you be put to shame;
let them be ashamed who are wantonly treacherous.

4 Make me to know your ways, O Lord;
teach me your paths.
5 Lead me in your truth, and teach me,
for you are the God of my salvation;
for you I wait all day long.

6 Be mindful of your mercy, O Lord, and of your steadfast love,
for they have been from of old.
7 Do not remember the sins of my youth or my transgressions;
according to your steadfast love remember me,
for your goodness’ sake, O Lord!

8 Good and upright is the Lord;
therefore he instructs sinners in the way.
9 He leads the humble in what is right,
and teaches the humble his way.
10 All the paths of the Lord are steadfast love and faithfulness,
for those who keep his covenant and his decrees.

11 For your name’s sake, O Lord,
pardon my guilt, for it is great.
12 Who are they that fear the Lord?
He will teach them the way that they should choose."
- Psalm 25:1-12 NRSV

Truth is being unveiled in our day. God is moving us toward Tabernacles, while much of the church chooses to remain at Pentecost, or even back at Passover.

"Indeed, the Lord God does nothing
without revealing His counsel
to His servants the prophets."
- Amos 3:7

If we truly "humble ourselves" and "fear the Lord", He has promised to reveal His counsel, His plan & purpose to "those who have an ear to hear."
The promised Holy Spirit, whom Jesus said would come to "guide us into all Truth" (John 16:13) comes only to those who are obedient to God. (Acts 5:32)

I believe this with all my being. It is God's Word. And I am ever striving to hear His voice and know His will.

The words of Paul in stating his goal have been imprinted on my mind -

"What things were gain to me, these I have counted loss for Christ. 8 Yet indeed I also count all things loss for the excellence of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord, for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and count them as rubbish, that I may gain Christ 9 and be found in Him, not having my own righteousness, which is from the law, but that which is through faith in Christ, the righteousness which is from God by faith; 10 that I may know Him and the power of His resurrection, and the fellowship of His sufferings, being conformed to His death, 11 if, by any means, I may attain to the resurrection from the dead.

12 Not that I have already attained, or am already perfected; but I press on, that I may lay hold of that for which Christ Jesus has also laid hold of me. 13 Brethren, I do not count myself to have apprehended; but one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind and reaching forward to those things which are ahead, 14 I press toward the goal for the prize of the upward call of God in Christ Jesus.

15 Therefore let us, as many as are mature, have this mind; and if in anything you think otherwise, God will reveal even this to you. 16 Nevertheless, to the degree that we have already attained, let us walk by the same rule, let us be of the same mind."
- Phil 3:7-16 NKJV

This is the mark of a True disciple of our Lord Jesus Christ, one who humbly surrenders and picks up their cross and follows Jesus in the Way. It is the mind-set of one who desires to one Day be called a "Christian" by the Father.
Amen.

"whoever does not bear his cross and come after Me cannot be My disciple." - Luke 14:27

 

[psalms 91]

No one has said we are to continue in sin!!! When will you people get this?!!

When you get that we do not believe in salvation by works

 

[zecryphon_nomdiv]

When you get that we do not believe in salvation by works

Yeah, I seriously doubt that's when you'll get what I and many others are saying. Arsenios accused me of saying that, but couldn't produce any proof that I did. How about you? Can you show me where I said it?

 

[Bluezone777]

The way I see it is if I couldn't even start in the faith without Jesus then what should make me think I have anything to do with me persevering in something when I had no part in even starting it to begin with. I see such statements encouraging someone to persevere as an encouragement to help bolster a believer through the war he fights against his or her flesh and as a way to identify the genuine from the false. If someone starts then walks away and never returns doesn't mean that was a believer who failed his or her duties as a believer but rather one who was never born again(a believer) to begin with and was either deceived by another or him or herself to think of themselves something that wasn't actually true of t hem.

It says in the bible to test ourselves and than proceeds to offer up ways for us to test ourselves by the standards set out in the scriptures to see if our faith be genuine or not. If you try testing yourselves day by day then you will just become a neurotic as you won't get a clear picture of your faith or your progress in the faith if there is any to begin with. If say you been in the faith ten years then you could go back five years and see if the person you are now is different then the one from five years ago. Is there any change and what kind of change positive or negative? A genuine believer will show noticeable changes inwardly and outwardly over five, ten, etc. years but if you look at a short period of time then you will see this staggered up direction in which you went up overall but not without a lot of downward drops which you would expect if you were warring against something with a lot of power over you and is a difficult opponent to fight off because it will be even with Jesus by your side, it's not going to be an easy fight but one you will win even though you will suffer defeats along the way. A false believer may win battles for a time but they ultimately will be overtaken by their flesh and will suffer a defeat that they never recover from because no one in their own strength can persevere in the faith so if you persevere in the faith, it's only because of God through the work of the Holy Spirit and nothing else.

 

[Arsenios]

I've told you not to post to me. Yet here you are again posting to me. You're now blocked.

Generosity of Spirit is a Good thing...


Arsenios

 

[Arsenios]

The way I see it is if I couldn't even start in the faith without Jesus then what should make me think I have anything to do with me persevering in something when I had no part in even starting it to begin with. I see such statements encouraging someone to persevere as an encouragement to help bolster a believer through the war he fights against his or her flesh and as a way to identify the genuine from the false. If someone starts then walks away and never returns doesn't mean that was a believer who failed his or her duties as a believer but rather one who was never born again(a believer) to begin with and was either deceived by another or him or herself to think of themselves something that wasn't actually true of t hem.

It says in the bible to test ourselves and than proceeds to offer up ways for us to test ourselves by the standards set out in the scriptures to see if our faith be genuine or not. If you try testing yourselves day by day then you will just become a neurotic as you won't get a clear picture of your faith or your progress in the faith if there is any to begin with. If say you been in the faith ten years then you could go back five years and see if the person you are now is different then the one from five years ago. Is there any change and what kind of change positive or negative? A genuine believer will show noticeable changes inwardly and outwardly over five, ten, etc. years but if you look at a short period of time then you will see this staggered up direction in which you went up overall but not without a lot of downward drops which you would expect if you were warring against something with a lot of power over you and is a difficult opponent to fight off because it will be even with Jesus by your side, it's not going to be an easy fight but one you will win even though you will suffer defeats along the way. A false believer may win battles for a time but they ultimately will be overtaken by their flesh and will suffer a defeat that they never recover from because no one in their own strength can persevere in the faith so if you persevere in the faith, it's only because of God through the work of the Holy Spirit and nothing else.

It is easy to confuse perseverence in the Faith with the Power to practice it...

This Faith is a great struggle throughout one's life to the end...

As long as a soldier is on the battlefield, he can get killed by the enemy...

This fallen life IS the battlefield...

So we keep on keeping' on...

Until the end...

And trust God for the outcome...


Arsenios

 

[Arsenios]

To get us back on track here...
In answer to Arsenios question,



I have found the answer in the Psalm -

"To you, O Lord, I lift up my soul.
2 O my God, in you I trust;
do not let me be put to shame;
do not let my enemies exult over me.
3 Do not let those who wait for you be put to shame;
let them be ashamed who are wantonly treacherous.

4 Make me to know your ways, O Lord;
teach me your paths.
5 Lead me in your truth, and teach me,
for you are the God of my salvation;
for you I wait all day long.

6 Be mindful of your mercy, O Lord, and of your steadfast love,
for they have been from of old.
7 Do not remember the sins of my youth or my transgressions;
according to your steadfast love remember me,
for your goodness’ sake, O Lord!

8 Good and upright is the Lord;
therefore he instructs sinners in the way.
9 He leads the humble in what is right,
and teaches the humble his way.
10 All the paths of the Lord are steadfast love and faithfulness,
for those who keep his covenant and his decrees.

11 For your name’s sake, O Lord,
pardon my guilt, for it is great.
12 Who are they that fear the Lord?
He will teach them the way that they should choose."
- Psalm 25:1-12 NRSV

Truth is being unveiled in our day. God is moving us toward Tabernacles, while much of the church chooses to remain at Pentecost, or even back at Passover.

"Indeed, the Lord God does nothing
without revealing His counsel
to His servants the prophets."
- Amos 3:7

If we truly "humble ourselves" and "fear the Lord", He has promised to reveal His counsel, His plan & purpose to "those who have an ear to hear."
The promised Holy Spirit, whom Jesus said would come to "guide us into all Truth" (John 16:13) comes only to those who are obedient to God. (Acts 5:32)

I believe this with all my being. It is God's Word. And I am ever striving to hear His voice and know His will.

The words of Paul in stating his goal have been imprinted on my mind -

"What things were gain to me, these I have counted loss for Christ. 8 Yet indeed I also count all things loss for the excellence of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord, for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and count them as rubbish, that I may gain Christ 9 and be found in Him, not having my own righteousness, which is from the law, but that which is through faith in Christ, the righteousness which is from God by faith; 10 that I may know Him and the power of His resurrection, and the fellowship of His sufferings, being conformed to His death, 11 if, by any means, I may attain to the resurrection from the dead.

12 Not that I have already attained, or am already perfected; but I press on, that I may lay hold of that for which Christ Jesus has also laid hold of me. 13 Brethren, I do not count myself to have apprehended; but one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind and reaching forward to those things which are ahead, 14 I press toward the goal for the prize of the upward call of God in Christ Jesus.

15 Therefore let us, as many as are mature, have this mind; and if in anything you think otherwise, God will reveal even this to you. 16 Nevertheless, to the degree that we have already attained, let us walk by the same rule, let us be of the same mind."
- Phil 3:7-16 NKJV

This is the mark of a True disciple of our Lord Jesus Christ, one who humbly surrenders and picks up their cross and follows Jesus in the Way. It is the mind-set of one who desires to one Day be called a "Christian" by the Father.
Amen.

"whoever does not bear his cross and come after Me cannot be My disciple." - Luke 14:27

Does this understanding disciple, say, obedience and denial of self?

And if yes, then how does it do so?

You see, Christ commanded the Apostles to Go and Disciple all the nations...

Discipling is done by persons, I should think...

Handing someone a book will not disciple that person, will it?


Arsenios

 

[Arsenios]

Michael -

How is overcoming discipled?

Arsenios

 

[psalms 91]

I think discipling means a lot more than getting someone saved, it requires people to teach the new believer to go further in their faith walk and prepare them to serve and lead according to what God ordains for that person, to develop a close personal relationship witjh God

 

[Michael]

Does this understanding disciple, say, obedience and denial of self?

And if yes, then how does it do so?

You see, Christ commanded the Apostles to Go and Disciple all the nations...

Discipling is done by persons, I should think...

Handing someone a book will not disciple that person, will it?


Arsenios

“How then shall they call on Him in whom they have not believed? And how shall they believe in Him of whom they have not heard? And how shall they hear without a preacher? 15 And how shall they preach unless they are sent? As it is written:
“How beautiful are the feet of those who preach the gospel of peace,
Who bring glad tidings of good things!”
16 But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Isaiah says, “Lord, who has believed our report?” 17 So then faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.” – Rom 10:14-17

The Word of God will go out to all the nations. The Good News of peace with God that is available to them that will receive it. One of our problems today is that scarce few preach the whole Gospel of the Kingdom, which includes the obedience and self-denial that will be absolutely necessary to endure through the great persecution that is part of the Gospel (Matt 24:3-14). This Truth that will bring peace with God will bring division among men, even families. (Matt 10:34-39). For to accept the whole Gospel will bring death to self, which is uncomfortable to our Adamic nature.

Looking at the passage to which I believe you are referring -

mathēteuō is the Greek word (verb) used in Matt 28:19 - meaning to 'instruct, teach, disciple' - and is translated "teach" in the older translations. Closely akin to mathētēs (the noun), which refers to one who is a "disciple" over 250 times in the New Testament, but not exactly the same.

So, the Eleven were instructed to "teach" the nations. That commission is often presented as the evangelistic job of every ‘saved’ person, but the Scripture doesn’t support that. In fact Jesus never mentioned the word evangelism, and the Bible only once lists it among the gifts given for the building of the body of Christ in Eph 4:11. Evangelism is not mentioned in either Rom 12 or 1Cor 12 where Paul speaks of the various gifts of the Spirit. I believe the Word of God is to go out to all the nations, to plant & water, and let “God give the increase” in “those who hunger and thirst for righteousness.” We cannot ‘make’ people understand, or ‘make’ them a disciple. We see in the Parable of the Seed four different types of people upon whom the seed (the Word of God) fell. (Matt 13:18-23)
For one to become a True “disciple” of Christ, they must first be “called” to “follow Him”, and then “chosen” which comes after a time of testing (proving). (Matt 22:14, John 15:16; and then we must remain “faithful” (Rev 17:14))

God led me to sit under a couple very faithful teachers over the years who imparted much wisdom and Truth. I became a disciple of the Word which was being taught. I was surrounded by many others in those two decades: a few received the Word spoken through these old saints (and the fruit is evident in their lives), while many others did not (or did for a while, until the “cares of this life and the desires for other things” crept in and they became unfruitful.) Many know the doctrine to this day, but it has not produced in them the change which God desires in those who are “being conformed into the image of His Firstborn Son.” (Rom 8:29) Mentally knowing the Word is not enough, we must “eat” it.

And to those called to “teach” the Word comes great responsibility and great privilege. The writer of Hebrews, addressing the saints (those “called”) admonishes them – “For though by this time you ought to be teachers, you need someone to teach (give instruction to) you again the first principles of the oracles of God; and you have come to need milk and not solid food. 13 For everyone who partakes only of milk is unskilled in the word of righteousness, for he is a babe. 14 But solid food belongs to those who are of full age, that is, those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.” – Heb 5:12-14

No, I do not believe we can just hand out books or tapes and expect someone to learn. Truly they must be ‘instructed’, with the key being they want to learn. As the Ethiopian told Philip, who asked him, “Do you understand what you are reading?”… 31 “How can I,” he said, “unless someone explains it to me?” So he invited Philip to come up and sit with him.” – Acts 8:30-31

Honestly, I believe the church has gone about making many “church members” but very few “disciples” in the Biblical sense. The fellowships that DO teach the Truth of God that, if received, will transform carnal folk into spiritual warriors see their numbers dwindle as the Truth that we must actually “deny ourselves, pick up our cross daily and follow Jesus” and “present our bodies a living sacrifice” and “eat & drink of the Body & Blood of the Lamb” is “too hard a saying” for them, and as the many left Jesus they will look for another church where the message is more pleasing the less demanding. (John 6:60-66)

Sorry for going on so long here. Not sure if I answered your question, or brought up more! Got a lot going through my mind from the Scripture even as I type.
Man, I’d love to sit face to face with some of the saints on this site and have fellowship. I really believe we could glean from one another.

Blessings to you, friend, as you walk with Jesus and desire to lay hold of what He has laid hold of you for.

 

[Arsenios]

I think discipling means a lot more than getting someone saved, it requires people to teach the new believer to go further in their faith walk and prepare them to serve and lead according to what God ordains for that person, to develop a close personal relationship witjh God

The Great Commission to the Apostles was to DISCIPLE ALL THE NATIONS...

No small task!

What does it mean?

Scripture tells us it means teaching to precisely observe (obey) ALL"that I have commanded you..."

A VERY tall order!

And then Baptizing them, in the Name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit...

Observing means more than mere studying of the Scriptures...

Christ commanded them to GO, and to DISCIPLE, and too BAPTIZE...

These are all DOINGs...

Besides, nobody could afford a Bible in those first one thousand five hundred years...

And Christianity has been declining since the printing presses of Hamburg!

Yes sayin'!


Arsenios

 

[Arsenios]

mathēteuō is the Greek word (verb) used in Matt 28:19 - meaning to 'instruct, teach, disciple' -

Indeed - It is a kind of teaching which involves doing by obedience...

and is translated "teach" in the older translations.

Which is a false translation, clearly demonstrated by the second verb after it: διδασκοντες
A present active participle 3rd person plural, which places it as a FEATURE of μαθητευσατε
which is an aorist active second person plural imperative, which is the primary verb of the sentence, having two subordinate clauses, one Baptizing and one teaching... The meaning of διδασκοντες is TEACHING, which is included as a subcategory of DISCIPLE...

So to disciple includes teaching and Baptizing...

The ancient Greeks discipled their students...

Many martial arts studios today do so as well...

It has to do with the formation of the person according to a discipline...

Hence disciple -

The military, especially the Marines, disciple their troops before they are fully entered into the Corps...

Many do not make it...

Seal teams even less so...

Closely akin to mathētēs (the noun), which refers to one who is a "disciple" over 250 times in the New Testament, but not exactly the same.

So, the Eleven were instructed to "teach" the nations.

Not true -

They were Commissioned to Disciple ALL the Nations... Teaching obedience to ALL Christ's Commandments and then Baptizing those thus prepared... Early Church regularly took some 3 years of discipling before Baptizing a person... It was and still can be arduous... Hardest thing I ever did, and I have done some hard things...

Baptism is the ENTRY of the person discipled INTO Christ's Holy Body...

It is done by Christ through the hands of His Body, the Church...

It in not merely some anthropomorphic event, but the Theanthropic ENTRY of a person INTO Christ...

It is the REBIRTH of a person as a New Creation...

And just as the Israelites of old did not encounter Giants in the desert, but only once they had crossed the Jordan and had entered into the Promised Land, so also, until you are Baptized into Christ, you will normally not have had to overcome the Giants of demonic warfare... Goliath was abiding in the Promised Land when he stopped the whole of the Israelite forces, who did not obey God to take the land, but were frightened by Goliath's size and strength and prowess... David, however was indignant at his blashphemies, and took him down with a shepherd's sling...


Arsenios

 

[MennoSota]

The elect of God have always come to have faith.
The numbers within the EOC and RC have declined purely because they no longer have political dominance. There is now separation of Church and State (thank you Mennonites).
All people, who are elect, from all nations will come to have faith. The elect will faithfully go, teach, make disciples and baptize until the return of Jesus, when the last elect person comes to faith. God will accomplish everything He has determined. God does not fail his promises.

 

[Michael]

Indeed - It is a kind of teaching which involves doing by obedience...



Which is a false translation, clearly demonstrated by the second verb after it: διδασκοντες
A present active participle 3rd person plural, which places it as a FEATURE of μαθητευσατε
which is an aorist active second person plural imperative, which is the primary verb of the sentence, having two subordinate clauses, one Baptizing and one teaching... The meaning of διδασκοντες is TEACHING, which is included as a subcategory of DISCIPLE...

So to disciple includes teaching and Baptizing...

The ancient Greeks discipled their students...

Many martial arts studios today do so as well...

It has to do with the formation of the person according to a discipline...

Hence disciple -

The military, especially the Marines, disciple their troops before they are fully entered into the Corps...

Many do not make it...

Seal teams even less so...



Not true -

They were Commissioned to Disciple ALL the Nations... Teaching obedience to ALL Christ's Commandments and then Baptizing those thus prepared... Early Church regularly took some 3 years of discipling before Baptizing a person... It was and still can be arduous... Hardest thing I ever did, and I have done some hard things...

Baptism is the ENTRY of the person discipled INTO Christ's Holy Body...

It is done by Christ through the hands of His Body, the Church...

It in not merely some anthropomorphic event, but the Theanthropic ENTRY of a person INTO Christ...

It is the REBIRTH of a person as a New Creation...

And just as the Israelites of old did not encounter Giants in the desert, but only once they had crossed the Jordan and had entered into the Promised Land, so also, until you are Baptized into Christ, you will normally not have had to overcome the Giants of demonic warfare... Goliath was abiding in the Promised Land when he stopped the whole of the Israelite forces, who did not obey God to take the land, but were frightened by Goliath's size and strength and prowess... David, however was indignant at his blashphemies, and took him down with a shepherd's sling...


Arsenios

I have presented the words correctly from the Greek. We may differ on interpretation, but it doesn't change what the Scripture actually says.

OH, YES! "few find it" as Jesus said. Truly a "remnant" will come forth in that Day and "appear with Jesus as He is" (1John 3:1-3). It IS a "narrow Way."

And referring to "baptism"... a dunking in the pool at a baptism service is not the "Baptism into His death" that is required of those who are True Disciples.

"Or do you not know that as many of us as were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into His death? 4 Therefore we were buried with Him through baptism into death, that just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
5 For if we have been united together in the likeness of His death, certainly we also shall be in the likeness of His resurrection, 6 knowing this, that our old man was crucified with Him, that the body of sin might be done away with, that we should no longer be slaves of sin. 7 For he who has died has been freed from sin. 8 Now if we died with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with Him, 9 knowing that Christ, having been raised from the dead, dies no more. Death no longer has dominion over Him. 10 For the death that He died, He died to sin once for all; but the life that He lives, He lives to God. 11 Likewise you also, reckon yourselves to be dead indeed to sin, but alive to God in Christ Jesus our Lord." - Rom 6:3-11

Man, we're getting into some Truth here! I love delving into the Word and gleaning from the Father what His Spirit is saying to us today.

If we've been 'baptized' in our local assembly, but are still being controlled by the lusts of our flesh, then we haven't truly been "baptized into His death" and must be "immersed" further into the "Father, Son and Holy Spirit", as Ezekiel was in his vision. (Eze 47:1-12)

I've got to head out now, and get my little boy his haircut before he starts 2nd grade next week, but Lord willing we can continue our discussion later. In the meantime, I touched on "Baptism" in a teaching I've done at church in going through 1Corintians 10 in depth.
That portion of the Bible Study can be seen here - https://to-him-who-overcomes.com/entries/1corinthians-10-study/1corinthians-10-part-5--baptism

Peace & Blessings!

 

[Arsenios]

I have presented the words correctly from the Greek. We may differ on interpretation, but it doesn't change what the Scripture actually says.

OH, YES! "few find it" as Jesus said. Truly a "remnant" will come forth in that Day and "appear with Jesus as He is" (1John 3:1-3). It IS a "narrow Way."

And referring to "baptism"... a dunking in the pool at a baptism service is not the "Baptism into His death" that is required of those who are True Disciples.

"Or do you not know that as many of us as were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into His death? 4 Therefore we were buried with Him through baptism into death, that just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
5 For if we have been united together in the likeness of His death, certainly we also shall be in the likeness of His resurrection, 6 knowing this, that our old man was crucified with Him, that the body of sin might be done away with, that we should no longer be slaves of sin. 7 For he who has died has been freed from sin. 8 Now if we died with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with Him, 9 knowing that Christ, having been raised from the dead, dies no more. Death no longer has dominion over Him. 10 For the death that He died, He died to sin once for all; but the life that He lives, He lives to God. 11 Likewise you also, reckon yourselves to be dead indeed to sin, but alive to God in Christ Jesus our Lord." - Rom 6:3-11

Man, we're getting into some Truth here! I love delving into the Word and gleaning from the Father what His Spirit is saying to us today.

If we've been 'baptized' in our local assembly, but are still being controlled by the lusts of our flesh, then we haven't truly been "baptized into His death" and must be "immersed" further into the "Father, Son and Holy Spirit", as Ezekiel was in his vision. (Eze 47:1-12)

I've got to head out now, and get my little boy his haircut before he starts 2nd grade next week, but Lord willing we can continue our discussion later. In the meantime, I touched on "Baptism" in a teaching I've done at church in going through 1Corintians 10 in depth.
That portion of the Bible Study can be seen here - https://to-him-who-overcomes.com/entries/1corinthians-10-study/1corinthians-10-part-5--baptism

Peace & Blessings!

Did Christ Commission the 11/12 to Baptize all the Nations into Christ?
Did they do so?
What did it look like?

Did Christ Commission anyone who believes in Him to Baptize disciples into Christ?

I agree - The local Tom, Joe and Allison giving old Harv' a dunk is not Baptism into Christ...

And yes, overcoming sin in one's self is one of the markers...

cya Sunday night or maybe Monday?

Do you agree that discipling is training plus teaching what is trained in practice?


Arsenios

 

[MennoSota]

Did Christ Commission the 11/12 to Baptize all the Nations into Christ?

No. He commissioned them to go into all nations and make disciples, not to baptize all nations.

Did they do so?
What did it look like?

They left Judea and Samaria to travel to the uttermost parts of the world. (Acts 1:9)

Did Christ Commission anyone who believes in Him to Baptize disciples into Christ?

No. That is your misunderstanding. The Holy Spirit baptizes those who are adopted into Christ.

I agree - The local Tom, Joe and Allison giving old Harv' a dunk is not Baptism into Christ...

Indeed, all water baptisms are symbolic.

And yes, overcoming sin in one's self is one of the markers...

Indeed, seeing the process of sanctification in the child of God marks them as faithful.
Seeing self-righteous restrictions via severe discipline often marks the person as a mimic.

Do you agree that discipling is training plus teaching what is trained in practice?

Discipling is teaching via word and action so that the disciple might understand the amazing work of grace that God has accomplished on their behalf.

 

[Arsenios]

No.
He commissioned them to go into all nations and make disciples,
not to baptize all nations.

Matthew 28:19 - KJV –
Go ye therefore, and teach (disciple) all nations,
baptizing them
in the name of the Father,
and of the Son,
and of the Holy Ghost:

Disciple all the Nations Baptizing them...

Are we reading the same passage??

Arsenios

 

[MennoSota]

Matthew 28:19 - KJV –
Go ye therefore, and teach (disciple) all nations,
baptizing them
in the name of the Father,
and of the Son,
and of the Holy Ghost:

Disciple all the Nations Baptizing them...

Are we reading the same passage??

Arsenios

Matthew 28:19-20 Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you. And behold, I am with you always, to the end of the age.”

My version is the ESV.

Here's the NIV.
Therefore go and make disciples of all nations,*baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,*and teaching*them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you*always, to the very end of the age.”

KJV
Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

NASB
Go therefore and*make disciples of all the nations,*baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit,*teaching them to observe all that I commanded you; and lo,*I am with you*always, even to*the end of the age.”

In all these verses it does not say "Disciple all the Nations Baptizing them...". Perhaps you're dyslexic. I'm trying to help you.

 

[Arsenios]

Matthew 28:19-20 Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you. And behold, I am with you always, to the end of the age.”

My version is the ESV.

Here's the NIV.
Therefore go and make disciples of all nations,*baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,*and teaching*them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you*always, to the very end of the age.”

KJV
Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

NASB
Go therefore and*make disciples of all the nations,*baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit,*teaching them to observe all that I commanded you; and lo,*I am with you*always, even to*the end of the age.”

In all these verses it does not say "Disciple all the Nations Baptizing them...". Perhaps you're dyslexic. I'm trying to help you.

They all say to baptize all the nations...

As a part of discipling them

And also to teach them...

A

 

[MennoSota]

They all say to baptize all the nations...

As a part of discipling them

And also to teach them...

A

No they don't. None say that.
They say go make disciples of all nations.
We baptize those who come to faith as disciples.
You twist the passage and claim that we baptize first. If that is what you truly believe...go out on the street and start random baptisms. Sprinkle randomly and say "In the name of the Father the Son and the Holy Spirit."
But...you won't do that. Why? I'm not sure. Perhaps it is because you know that random baptizing doesn't do anything. You have to share the gospel and point people toward Jesus. When they get faith and are adopted by God, then you baptize them.