When was Yeshua born?

[psalms 91]

I also do not like how commercial it has become it is not a celebration of His birth for most but rather a celebration of commercialism

 

[Josiah]

NO ONE ever even claimed that Jesus was born on December 25 (I'm not sure anyone has cared what date it was). Truth is, the Bible doesn't give us the date (or even the year). Mary and Joseph and Jesus (as far as any knows) never declared the date (or even the year). As I understand it, birthdays were usually celebrated by the ancient Jews ... and VERY few dates are given in the Bible at all. So it's just not that surprising.

But that, per se, does not make it wrong to celebrate the event. The angels did in the Bible (and there's NOTHING remotely indicating they were thus sinning or doing anything wrong or offensive). The shepherds did in the Bible (and there's NOTHING remotely indicating they were thus sinning or doing anything wrong or offensive). The magi did in the Bible (and there's NOTHING remotely indicating they were thus sinning or doing anything wrong or offensive).

Just because we don't know what DATE it was (and again, none CLAIM to know for one simple reason: None who knew it recorded it), does not therefore make it wrong to celebrate it. December 25 is NOT called "The Birth Date of Our Lord." It's called 'The FESTIVAL of the Nativity of Our Lord" - it's the date we especially CELEBRATE it. We don't know why that date was chosen as the day to especially celebrate it..... it seems it was related to some pagan and civil holidays..... but whatever the reason (now lost to ANCIENT history), it became the universal Christian time to especially celebrate His birth and coming.

I just think it's silly to say we can't celebrate something unless we know the EXACT DATE on which it happened. We don't know the exact date on which Easter happened..... We don't even know the YEAR it happened, much less the exact date. Last year on my birthday (which CH missed, btw - lol), some did say "happy birthday" (my wife and mom)... but we had the celebration the following Saturday. Was that a terrible sin? Did God therefore flee from all of us? Did it make us all non-Christians and going to hell? Honestly.....

And again.... this stuff recycles (verbatim) every December. The "wise men" stuff, too. Verbatim. It's MAY for heaven's sake!





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[Rens]

interesting .. but one things DOES matter very much ... not what we did in our ignorance .,god is gracious , but what we do once we know the truth .. matters very much indeed .

but without getting all heavy on the topic i think the main reason people won't disregard dec25th once they are brought to the realization that it's got nothing to do with the birth of christ -is the social cost they may have to pay . its just easier to go with the crowd and please men ....

hmm and i said i wouldn't get heavy lol .. not sure if i know how to not get heavy

There's nothing wrong about celebrating Christmas the 25th. Paul ate food sacrificed to idols. Corrie ten Boom when they hid Jews in their house during the war celebrated both Christmas and Hanukka with them.
I even celebrate Saint Nicholas. I told the kids he's not real, well he was, but those are dressed up, I don't lie to them, but they do get presents. We celebrate it with my sister because they used to with her husbands' family, but his parents both died. My mom told his mother the gospel and said she needed to accept Jesus with Saint Nicholas, the Dutch nephew of Santa Claus LOL with his black Peters who now have to be blue or yellow, otherwise people say it's racist.
Even more funny, we once evangelized with church with Easter, the pagan date and one guy who was or maybe still is a missionary in Saudi Arabia and other muslim countries was dressed up like an Easter bunny. One guy got annoyed by us evangelizing and he said to him: isn't this stupid, those christians. You stand here as an Easter bunny and they spoil the fun. Well it is true what they say, he said hahahahahahaha.
That one evangelist we have here, he just prayed for dressed up black Peters on the street with Santa Claus and told them the gospel and they got healed.
I don't care about heathen Christmas trees. To me it's just a tree. I don't worship and bow down to it, neither do I bow down for an easter bunny. I just eat them, those chocolate things. Yum.
Lol someone said it was evil to celebrate christmas and it was worship to Wodan or something, those Christmas trees and those trees were idols. When it's a few weeks later they get burned. Lol nice way to treat an idol.
No, an idol is anything you put above God. When you don't pray and instead hang before the tv or internet it has become an idol. Anything can be an idol.
Btw I think Jesus was conceived with Christmas. Saw that on a site. Makes sense. Hanukkah. The Light came into the world.

 

[Rens]

http://heartofwisdom.com/biblicalholidays/2014/07/28/birth-of-christ-feast-of-tabernacles/

 

[visionary]

When you celebrate Yeshua's birthday according to scripture evidence of the Feast of Tabernacles, it brings a different perspective that draws you closer to the Word of God and His Way, His Truth, His Life...

 

[tango]

When you celebrate Yeshua's birthday according to scripture evidence of the Feast of Tabernacles, it brings a different perspective that draws you closer to the Word of God and His Way, His Truth, His Life...

How does commemorating an event Jesus never told us to mark draw us closer to God?

 

[visionary]

How does commemorating an event Jesus never told us to mark draw us closer to God?

1.) The value of the feasts of God, His appointed times, grows with this understanding of just how much Yeshua followed it.
2.) Just as He came the first time at the Feast of Tabernacles, I believe His second coming will also be during the Feast of Tabernacles, so that we can truly tabernacle with Him.
3.)The eighth day of the Feast of Tabernacle is known as the resurrection day. The ingathering harvest is one of its names. There is a rich history and understanding that comes from knowing the appointed times and why God chose for Yeshua to be born then.
4.) Yeshua commanded us in the parable of the great feast, Luke 14:23 “Go out into the highways and hedges, and compel them to come in, that my house may be filled” The feast of Tabernacles is the final harvest. And Just as it was fulfilled with His first coming, we can look forward to His second coming. IT is better to celebrate that which is ordained by God and learn of it richness, than to celebrate with the world and receive the world's favor.
5.) Because the final Feast of Tabernacles will be five days after the real Yom Kippur when all sins on our Book of Life will either be blotted out or not, because during the that final Feast of Trumpets, the book will be opened and at the end of Yom Kippur it will be closed, and thus Yeshua's ministry as a High Priest will be over, and He will come as King.
6.) So Celebrating His birth on the Feast of Tabernacles sums up His Life, sums up the Feasts of Appointed Times, sums up the plan of salvation to its final conclusion, sums up with His return for His people to live with Him for eternity. It is the whole ball of wax.

 

[visionary]

For more information on the Sukkot and its significance... http://www.hebrew4christians.com/Holidays/Fall_Holidays/Sukkot/sukkot.html

 

[Alithis]

we are so wary of Judaism that often we view the topic with those glasses on and so don't allow ourselves to see the actual scriptures that are pointing, shouting ,yelling ,jumping up and down declaring JESUS .

the reason his birth-date exact is not recorded is rather simple . because it didn't have to be . he was born at the time of the feast of tabernacles when god came and set up his tent among men .in the manifestation of his word made flesh ..
he set up his tent among men other times to.. but not in that manifestation .. he encamped with Israel on their journey out of Egypt in the form of a pillar of cloud and fire (the angel of the lord (we now call him JESUS )
he spoke to them from the mountain and his WORD was too great for them to hear .they could not bear it .

also a reason his exact birthdate is not recorded is the same reason king hezekiah - destroyed the serpent on the pole ..people would make a huge issue out of it and idolize the day ... instead of the lord . ouh hmmmmm

 

[psalms 91]

we are so wary of Judaism that often we view the topic with those glasses on and so don't allow ourselves to see the actual scriptures that are pointing, shouting ,yelling ,jumping up and down declaring JESUS .

the reason his birth-date exact is not recorded is rather simple . because it didn't have to be . he was born at the time of the feast of tabernacles when god came and set up his tent among men .in the manifestation his word made flesh ..
he set up his tent among men other times to.. but not i that manifestation .. he encamped with Israel on their journey out of Egypt in the form of a pillar of cloud and fire (the angel of the lord (we now call him JESUS )
he spoke to them from the mountain and his WORD was too great for them to hear .they could not bear it .

also a reason his exact birthdate is not recorded is the same reason king whats his name - destroyed the serpent on the pole ..people would make a huge issue out of it and idolize the day ... instead of the lord . ouh hmmmmm

Yes

 

[tango]

we are so wary of Judaism that often we view the topic with those glasses on and so don't allow ourselves to see the actual scriptures that are pointing, shouting ,yelling ,jumping up and down declaring JESUS .

the reason his birth-date exact is not recorded is rather simple . because it didn't have to be . he was born at the time of the feast of tabernacles when god came and set up his tent among men .in the manifestation of his word made flesh ..
he set up his tent among men other times to.. but not in that manifestation .. he encamped with Israel on their journey out of Egypt in the form of a pillar of cloud and fire (the angel of the lord (we now call him JESUS )
he spoke to them from the mountain and his WORD was too great for them to hear .they could not bear it .

also a reason his exact birthdate is not recorded is the same reason king hezekiah - destroyed the serpent on the pole ..people would make a huge issue out of it and idolize the day ... instead of the lord . ouh hmmmmm

Interesting thoughts there.

 

[tango]

1.) The value of the feasts of God, His appointed times, grows with this understanding of just how much Yeshua followed it.
2.) Just as He came the first time at the Feast of Tabernacles, I believe His second coming will also be during the Feast of Tabernacles, so that we can truly tabernacle with Him.
3.)The eighth day of the Feast of Tabernacle is known as the resurrection day. The ingathering harvest is one of its names. There is a rich history and understanding that comes from knowing the appointed times and why God chose for Yeshua to be born then.
4.) Yeshua commanded us in the parable of the great feast, Luke 14:23 “Go out into the highways and hedges, and compel them to come in, that my house may be filled” The feast of Tabernacles is the final harvest. And Just as it was fulfilled with His first coming, we can look forward to His second coming. IT is better to celebrate that which is ordained by God and learn of it richness, than to celebrate with the world and receive the world's favor.
5.) Because the final Feast of Tabernacles will be five days after the real Yom Kippur when all sins on our Book of Life will either be blotted out or not, because during the that final Feast of Trumpets, the book will be opened and at the end of Yom Kippur it will be closed, and thus Yeshua's ministry as a High Priest will be over, and He will come as King.
6.) So Celebrating His birth on the Feast of Tabernacles sums up His Life, sums up the Feasts of Appointed Times, sums up the plan of salvation to its final conclusion, sums up with His return for His people to live with Him for eternity. It is the whole ball of wax.

I can see your reasoning here but since Jesus never told us to commemorate his birth at all, I'm not seeing why celebrating it one one day or another day or not at all actually makes any difference.

 

[Josiah]

I don't think we are ever COMMANDED to celebrate His birth, but I don't think we are ever COMMANDED not to, either. We do all kinds of things we are never specifically told to do (Like posting on the internet, lol).

BUT..... the angels celebrated His birth (Luke 2:13-14)... the shepherds celebrated His birth (Luke 2:15-18).... the magi celebrated His birth (Matthew 2:9-11). And nothing in Scripture seems to suggest they were sinful, terrible or horrible in doing so, that such is forbidden. Now, it probably is that the magi did not do this on the precise date of His birth (not even sure they knew the exact date) but again, nothing that seems to denounce that.



My half cent.



- Josiah

 

[Alithis]

I have no interest in dec 25.
Socially i engage in it for the sake of others.
But would prefer not to.
One the origin of that date and why that date is used at all is revealed,im loathe to have anything to do with it.
But for those entrapped in mental conditioning we endure it.
Outside of the fluff the time of familygathering ,forgivness and reconciliation that could ,but doesnt always,take place is a good thing.
But to observe december the 25th and not preach the full gospel.that would be a travesty .

 

[Lamb]

You would think Christians would love any good reason to celebrate Jesus who came to die for us and to be able to have an entry into explanation. But, that's just my opinion.

 

[psalms 91]

Celebrate Jesus yes, celebrate the commerialism, no

 

[visionary]

The benefits of knowing Him through His Feasts, is just a layer to His Ways, His Truth, His Life... and it helps complete the true picture of Him.