The arguments for Sunday

[MoreCoffee]

So why are you trying to influence other people? Is it so you can dominate their "weak minds" with your SHOUTED OPINIONS?
Calling Catholicism names is not a substantial argument against Catholic teaching. Having a huge whine about Catholicism will not make Catholic teaching any better or worse nor will it make your opinions any better or worse.

Wont make the rcc right either

Do you even bother to read the posts to which you reply. Didn't you notice what was in the post to which you replied?

 

[amadeois]

@More Coffee

What are you trying to do?

You are trying to convince that what you present is the truth, but you yourself showed to be deceptive.

You created 2 commandments out of one. So now, we don't believe you. You are trying to push YOUR AGENDA and you are routing for the loosing team

We don't want to be in the loosing team.

So I hope God could bless you.

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[MoreCoffee]

@More Coffee What are you trying to do? You are trying to convince that what you present is the truth, but you yourself showed to be deceptive. You created 2 commandments out of one. So now, we don't believe you. You are trying to push YOUR AGENDA and you are routing for the loosing team We don't want to be in the loosing team. So I hope God could bless you. Sent from my SM-N900T using Tapatalk

It's amazing to me that you make such a fuss about the numbering of commandments rather than paying any attention to their content. It's rather stupid to argue that because the Sabbath commandment is #3 in my list and #4 in yours that somehow changes the content of the commandment. But that seems to be the way you want to approach it. Okay, fine with me. Commandment #<insert the number you think is best here> says: "Observe the sabbath day, to keep it holy, as Jehovah your God commanded you. Six days you shall labour, and do all your work; but the seventh day is a sabbath to Jehovah your God; in it you shall not do any work, you, or your son, or your daughter, or your manservant, or your maidservant, or your ox, or your ass, or any of your cattle, or the sojourner who is within your gates, that your manservant and your maidservant may rest as well as you. You shall remember that you were a servant in the land of Egypt, and Jehovah your God brought you out thence with a mighty hand and an outstretched arm; therefore Jehovah your God commanded you to keep the sabbath day."

Now what?

 

[amadeois]

I'm appalled. 143 postings about this issue.

Go and pile them up.

I know what I BELIEVE
I believe in what Jesus said.

And He is the Captain of the winning team.

AMEN.

AMEN.

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[psalms 91]

I'm appalled. 143 postings about this issue.

Go and pile them up.

I know what I BELIEVE
I believe in what Jesus said.

And He is the Captain of the winning team.

AMEN.

AMEN.

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Amen

 

[Rens]

Catholics elastics!
Protestants elephants!
That's what we as kids always yelled at each other when the protestant and catholic school that were situated next to each other had a snowball fight.

 

[pinacled]

Show me the numbers of the ten commandments in the holy scriptures. Show me where they are designated "the first, second, third, ... eighth, ninth, tenth" or stop complaining about the numbering I use. And before you accuse me of telling lies consider the commandment against bearing false witness against your neighbour. You, I think, will soon discover that you owe me an apology. I wonder if you will offer it?

1. "'I am the LORD your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. "'You shall have no other gods before me. "'You shall not make for yourself a graven image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is on the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; you shall not bow down to them or serve them; for I the LORD your God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me, but showing steadfast love to thousands of those who love me and keep my commandments.
2. "'You shall not take the name of the LORD your God in vain: for the LORD will not hold him guiltless who takes his name in vain.
3. "'Observe the sabbath day, to keep it holy, as the LORD your God commanded you. Six days you shall labour, and do all your work; but the seventh day is a sabbath to the LORD your God; in it you shall not do any work, you, or your son, or your daughter, or your manservant, or your maidservant, or your ox, or your ass, or any of your cattle, or the sojourner who is within your gates, that your manservant and your maidservant may rest as well as you. You shall remember that you were a servant in the land of Egypt, and the LORD your God brought you out thence with a mighty hand and an outstretched arm; therefore the LORD your God commanded you to keep the sabbath day.
4. "'Honour your father and your mother, as the LORD your God commanded you; that your days may be prolonged, and that it may go well with you, in the land which the LORD your God gives you.
5. "'You shall not kill.
6. "'Neither shall you commit adultery.
7. "'Neither shall you steal.
8. "'Neither shall you bear false witness against your neighbour.
9. "'Neither shall you covet your neighbour's wife;
10. and you shall not desire your neighbour's house, his field, or his manservant, or his maidservant, his ox, or his ass, or anything that is your neighbour's.'

(Deuteronomy 5:6-21)​

You forgot to cite exodus 20.
Which I find rather peculiar. Some time back you stated concern for those of weaker faith being misled. Yet here in this thread you continue in misrepresentation.
Might I sugest setting the banner aside and return to study.

When reading Shemot/Exodus, pay close attention to the alter.

 

[MoreCoffee]

You forgot to cite exodus 20.
Which I find rather peculiar. Some time back you stated concern for those of weaker faith being misled. Yet here in this thread you continue in misrepresentation.
Might I sugest setting the banner aside and return to study.

When reading Shemot/Exodus, pay close attention to the alter.

So what you appear to be saying is that Deuteronomy 5:6-21 is misleading to "those of weaker faith". That's quite a novel way of dismissing what the holy scriptures say. I am not surprised but it is amazing to see to what lengths folk will go to "prove" their theology.

Still, you wanted Exodus 20 so why didn't you quote it? It isn't very hard to cut & paste a bible passage.

Here' let me illustrate:

1. I am the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. Thou shalt have no other gods before me. Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth: Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me; And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.
2. Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain; for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.
3. Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
4. Honour thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee.
5. Thou shalt not kill.
6. Thou shalt not commit adultery.
7. Thou shalt not steal.
8. Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.
9. Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house.
10. Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's.

(Exodus 20:2-17)

The same passage could be presented this way too:

I am the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.

1. Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
2. Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:
3. Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me; And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.
4. Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain; for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.
5. Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
6. Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God:
7. In it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
8. Honour thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee.
9. Thou shalt not kill.
10. Thou shalt not commit adultery.
11. Thou shalt not steal.
12. Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.
13. Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house
14. Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's.

(Exodus 20:2-17)

But having the fourteen commandments would not be too popular in some circles.

 

[Alithis]

there is still zero argument for sunday ..or any other day of the week .the body of christ is not a physical body

 

[psalms 91]

Seems to me thta they would be sayiong the same thing but 10 seems to be the number most accept

 

[Alithis]

8 to go then?

 

[psalms 91]

lol

 

[pinacled]

Accurate scales<+> Will justly reveal a hidden day More Coffee. If you are having troubles with an oath. I once said no Honor no bond.


In the third month of the children of Israel's departure from Egypt, on this day they arrived in the desert of Sinai. They journeyed from Rephidim, and they arrived in the desert of Sinai, and they encamped in the desert, and Israel encamped there opposite the mountain.

Moses ascended to God, and the Lord called to him from the mountain, saying,
"So shall you say to the house of Jacob and tell the sons of Israel, You have seen what I did to the Egyptians, and [how] I bore you on eagles' wings, and I brought you to Me. And now, if you obey Me and keep My covenant, you shall be to Me a treasure out of all peoples, for Mine is the entire earth. And you shall be to Me a kingdom of princes and a holy nation.' These are the words that you shall speak to the children of Israel."
Moses came and summoned the elders of Israel and placed before them all these words that the Lord had commanded him.
And all the people replied in unison and said, "All that the Lord has spoken we shall do!" and Moses took the words of the people back to the Lord.
And the Lord said to Moses,
"Behold, I am coming to you in the thickness of the cloud, in order that the people hear when I speak to you, and they will also believe in you forever."
And Moses relayed the words of the people to the Lord.

And the Lord said to Moses,
"Go to the people and prepare them today and tomorrow, and they shall wash their garments.
And they shall be prepared for the third day, for on the third day, the Lord will descend before the eyes of all the people upon Mount Sinai. And you shall set boundaries for the people around, saying, Beware of ascending the mountain or touching its edge; whoever touches the mountain shall surely be put to death.' No hand shall touch it, for he shall be stoned or cast down; whether man or beast, he shall not live. When the ram's horn sounds a long, drawn out blast, they may ascend the mountain."

So Moses descended from the mountain to the people, and he prepared the people, and they washed their garments.
He said to the people, "Be ready for three days; do not go near a woman."
It came to pass on the third day when it was morning, that there were thunder claps and lightning flashes, and a thick cloud was upon the mountain, and a very powerful blast of a shofar, and the entire nation that was in the camp shuddered. Moses brought the people out toward God from the camp, and they stood at the bottom of the mountain. And the entire Mount Sinai smoked because the Lord had descended upon it in fire, and its smoke ascended like the smoke of the kiln, and the entire mountain quaked violently. The sound of the shofar grew increasingly stronger;

Moses would speak and God would answer him with a voice.

The Lord descended upon Mount Sinai, to the peak of the mountain, and the Lord summoned Moses to the peak of the mountain, and Moses ascended.
The Lord said to Moses,
"Go down, warn the people lest they break [their formation to go nearer] to the Lord, and many of them will fall.
And also, the priests who go near to the Lord shall prepare themselves, lest the Lord wreak destruction upon them."
23And Moses said to the Lord, "The people cannot ascend to Mount Sinai, for You warned us saying, Set boundaries for the mountain and sanctify it.' "
But the Lord said to him,
"Go, descend, and [then] you shall ascend, and Aaron with you, but the priests and the populace shall not break [their formation] to ascend to the Lord, lest He wreak destruction upon them."
25So Moses went down to the people and said [this] to them.
God spoke all these words, to respond:
"I am the Lord, your God, Who took you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.
You shall not have the gods of others in My presence.

You shall not make for yourself a graven image or any likeness which is in the heavens above, which is on the earth below, or which is in the water beneath the earth.

You shall neither prostrate yourself before them nor worship them, for I, the Lord, your God, am a zealous God, Who visits the iniquity of the fathers upon the sons, upon the third and the fourth generation of those who hate Me, and perform loving kindness to thousands [of generations], to those who love Me and to those who keep My commandments.

You shall not take the name of the Lord, your God, in vain, for the Lord will not hold blameless anyone who takes His name in vain.

Remember the Sabbath day to sanctify it.
Six days may you work and perform all your labor, but the seventh day is a Sabbath to the Lord, your God;
you shall perform no labor, neither you, your son, your daughter, your manservant, your maidservant, your beast, nor your stranger who is in your cities. For [in] six days the Lord made the heaven and the earth, the sea and all that is in them, and He rested on the seventh day. Therefore, the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and sanctified it.

Honor your father and your mother, in order that your days be lengthened on the land that the Lord, your God, is giving you.

You shall not murder.
You shall not commit adultery.
You shall not steal.
You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.

You shall not covet your neighbor's house. You shall not covet your neighbor's wife, his manservant, his maidservant, his ox, his donkey, or whatever belongs to your neighbor."


And all the people saw the voices and the torches, the sound of the shofar, and the smoking mountain, and the people saw and trembled; so they stood from afar.
They said to Moses, "You speak with us, and we will hear, but let God not speak with us lest we die."
But Moses said to the people, "Fear not, for God has come in order to exalt you, and in order that His awe shall be upon your faces, so that you shall not sin."
The people remained far off, but Moses drew near to the opaque darkness, where God was.

The Lord said to Moses, "So shall you say to the children of Israel, You have seen that from the heavens I have spoken with you.
You shall not make [images of anything that is] with Me. Gods of silver or gods of gold you shall not make for yourselves.
An altar of earth you shall make for Me, and you shall slaughter beside it your burnt offerings and your peace offerings, your sheep and your cattle. Wherever I allow My name to be mentioned, I will come to you and bless you.
And when you make for Me an altar of stones, you shall not build them of hewn stones, lest you wield your sword upon it and desecrate it.
And you shall not ascend with steps upon My altar, so that your nakedness shall not be exposed upon it.' "


Then said Jesus unto him,
Put up again thy sword into his place: for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword.

 

[visionary]

No you didn't. You wrote any Jewish author of NT but not one of the new testament authors was Jewish in their religion at the time that they wrote their portions of the NT. They were all Christians. Your opinions keep obscuring the difference between being a Christian and being a Jew who rejects the new testament and who rejects Jesus Christ as messiah and Lord.



You're just writing your opinions about what you imagine the apostles and first Christians said, did, and thought about keeping the seventh day in opposition to gathering for worship on the first day of the week (Sunday). The new testament on the other hand tells the faithful quite clearly that Christians ought not allow anybody to judge them in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holy day, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days (Col 2:16-18).

Everyone of the Jewish Authors of the New Testament were of the Judaism faith as taught by Yeshua.

 

[visionary]

No you didn't. You wrote any Jewish author of NT but not one of the new testament authors was Jewish in their religion at the time that they wrote their portions of the NT. They were all Christians. Your opinions keep obscuring the difference between being a Christian and being a Jew who rejects the new testament and who rejects Jesus Christ as messiah and Lord.



You're just writing your opinions about what you imagine the apostles and first Christians said, did, and thought about keeping the seventh day in opposition to gathering for worship on the first day of the week (Sunday). The new testament on the other hand tells the faithful quite clearly that Christians ought not allow anybody to judge them in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holy day, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days (Col 2:16-18).

Judge the halacha of keeping it, not throw it away... but keep it

 

[psalms 91]

Judge the halacha of keeping it, not throw it away... but keep it

I understand even if others dont

 

[visionary]

Halacha is the binding and loosening of the relationship one has with the Law of God. Pharisees were binding the people with these halachas of their making but voiding the very Law of God with them and not keeping them themselves. It is not the authority to change Scripture, but to interpret Scripture.

The authority that the Pharisees (as well as the Sadducees, and the Sanhedrin) claimed to bind and loose was based on Ex 18, in which Moses appointed seventy elders over the people of Israel to make rulings in his place, and Deut 17:8-13, which commands the establishment of local and higher courts to adjudicate in disputes and criminal cases: “According to the sentence of the law (lit. the Torah) in which they instruct you according to the judgment which they tell you, you shall do; you shall not turn aside to the right hand or to the left from the sentence which they pronounce upon you”. The key words in this passage are shown in Hebrew above... The judges were to pronounce the ruling of the Torah.

These were the keys to which Yeshua was referring to which He gave the apostles and which they used in Acts 15 as to what process should be for the gentiles to enter into the synagogue to learn more about Moses. “binding and loosing” grants is the authority to make rulings within the framework of the Torah, either on how to apply the Torah in difficult situations, or to establish local societal norms (traditions) in areas in which the Torah is silent. The rabbis call these rulings halacha (lit. “how to walk”). Therefore, what Yeshua gave His Apostles and their spiritual heirs was the authority to interpret Scripture, including the Torah, and create the Ekklesia’s halacha apart from the growing body of rabbinical laws within the framework of Scripture and the Messiah’s own teachings.

 

[MoreCoffee]

I'm appalled. 143 postings about this issue.

Go and pile them up.

I know what I BELIEVE
I believe in what Jesus said.

And He is the Captain of the winning team.

AMEN.

AMEN.

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Jesus is the captain this is true.

Hebrews 2:6-10 But one in a certain place testified, saying, What is man, that thou art mindful of him? or the son of man, that thou visitest him? 7 Thou madest him a little lower than the angels; thou crownedst him with glory and honour, and didst set him over the works of thy hands: 8 Thou hast put all things in subjection under his feet. For in that he put all in subjection under him, he left nothing that is not put under him. But now we see not yet all things put under him. 9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man. 10 For it became him, for whom are all things, and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons unto glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings.​

And he kept the seventh day as sabbath but not according to the regulations of the Pharisees and Sadducees.

Mark 2:23-24 And it came to pass, that he went through the corn fields on the sabbath day; and his disciples began, as they went, to pluck the ears of corn. 24 And the Pharisees said unto him, Behold, why do they on the sabbath day that which is not lawful?​

Yet the Sabbath for Christians is a different day, one that lasts for eternity.

Hebrews 4:1-8 Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it. 2 For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it. 3 For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world. 4 For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works. 5 And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest. 6 Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief: 7 Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts. 8 For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.​

 

[psalms 91]

Jesus is the captain this is true.

Hebrews 2:6-10 But one in a certain place testified, saying, What is man, that thou art mindful of him? or the son of man, that thou visitest him? 7 Thou madest him a little lower than the angels; thou crownedst him with glory and honour, and didst set him over the works of thy hands: 8 Thou hast put all things in subjection under his feet. For in that he put all in subjection under him, he left nothing that is not put under him. But now we see not yet all things put under him. 9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man. 10 For it became him, for whom are all things, and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons unto glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings.​

And he kept the seventh day as sabbath but not according to the regulations of the Pharisees and Sadducees.

Mark 2:23-24 And it came to pass, that he went through the corn fields on the sabbath day; and his disciples began, as they went, to pluck the ears of corn. 24 And the Pharisees said unto him, Behold, why do they on the sabbath day that which is not lawful?​

Yet the Sabbath for Christians is a different day, one that lasts for eternity.

Hebrews 4:1-8 Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it. 2 For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it. 3 For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world. 4 For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works. 5 And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest. 6 Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief: 7 Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts. 8 For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.​

Gods sabbeth not ours not the Jews

 

[visionary]

There are seven sabbaths in Lev... They are all rest. ... there does remain a rest for the people of God... It is the Jubilee rest.

Hebrews 4:1-8 Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it. 2 For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it. 3 For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world. 4 For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works. 5 And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest. 6 Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief: 7 Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts. 8 For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.