The arguments for Sunday

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I have to ask.... how come the only word you misspell is "Christ"? I remember when "The Exorcist" came out in the 70's and people were saying that if you could not say the "Lord's Prayer" it was because the devil has got you. So, does the devil got your fingers going dyslexic on you when it comes to "Christ"?

haha ..because i am a terrible typist with terrible bad habits in typing , i type with 2 fingers c h r .. then my let hand hits s before my right hand hits i a second later and then t and it comes out "chrsit .." or sometimes "chsrit" - and then in a hurry i have done spell check and instead of hitting the correct spelling i have clicked on "add" -in a hurry - so its added it in the spell check and often doesn't give a red line to highlight the error and my eyes dont always pick up on it .. maybe i need deliverance lol :p

ouh and be assured i mispell MOST words ..occasionally i have posted an unedited post .it aint that readable haha . i am a school drop out, uneducated in the world , never been to any seminary , been rebellious had a terribly sinful life was a meth addict and had terrible problems with sexual immorality.. but when Jesus set me free and i was born again of the Holy Spirit .. EVERYTHING changed . and as i listen to him he led me OUT of the practice of sin .i found as i listen to him and obeyed him as he tells us to and empowers us to by HIS spirit .. those actions utterly ceased and i desired them no more but rather i desire his righteousness in everything . people who say you cannot stop sinful actions you know to be sinful actions ..LIE . with God ALL things are possible .. i don't share such things from a theory book . i know we can STOP doing things we KNOW are sinful , because when we love him we WONT . its all about love .

thanks for the shout out ..i will try to be more diligent about correcting that spelling :)
 

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In his defense I think he's posting from his phone and his phone needs an exorcism :)

Whenever I type "got" it comes out "goy" on my phone. Our phones can be so evil! LOL I need to take the time to go in and fix my saved misspellings! Maybe Alithis has to do it too.

i really do need to uninstall it and give it a fresh start - that "add to dictionary option is way too close "
 

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To Lammchen:

What is your belief?

Let's have a sample. If you were invited to an important wedding and the invitation said:

The date to be: Come at the day that Jesus was resurrected and that your salvation for ETERNITY was based on you showing up at the right time that He came out of the tomb.

Wouldn't that date and time be really important I you won't to live for eternity?

If you want that, you'll be VERY careful getting it correct. If you really think that it doesn't matter then suffer the consequences.

I believe God is very exact in the way He does things. That is why He is GOD. If He was not exact, then He can not be God. He is not wishy washy in His attitude. He really should take the time to understand His qualities.

What did He say in the Old Testament about the way the Hebrews violated His Sabbath?
He had rage and those that didn't follow His instructions suffered the consequences. Many stories in that section of the Word of God.

God rested from His work of creation on the Sabbath day and He hallowed and He told us it should be a remembrance that I am your CREATOR and I set the rules, not the creation.

Do we agree up to here.

Now, Jesus was Jewish following His Father's indtructions. Would He violate His Father's day. He said that the Sabbath was created for man, not only the jews but mankind, jews and gentiles alike, EVERYBODY.

Jesus finished His work of redemption on the Sabbath day.

Also, I believe here the ARGUMENT FOR THE DAY OF REST, NOT SATURDAY, HAS WON THIS CASE BY BEING THE "TRUTH."

So summarizing: Sunday is a big lie presented by the enemy, is the worship of the SUN, the creation, and not the Creator.

If you believe Sunday is the day, then be ready to suffer the consequences.

Jesus will say, "You don't believe me and to be saved you have to go through me to be with me in Paradise for eternity."

IS YOUR DECISION.

I hope you get the message. Study the COMPLETE WORD and don't base your decisions on only a small part. Like a GOOD attorney, need time to prepare your case and to be based on the WORD OF GOD nit on what other persons could say: they are not God.

May Jesus say that you believe in Him.

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haha ..because i am a terrible typist with terrible bad habits in typing , i type with 2 fingers c h r .. then my let hand hits s before my right hand hits i a second later and then t and it comes out "chrsit .." or sometimes "chsrit" - and then in a hurry i have done spell check and instead of hitting the correct spelling i have clicked on "add" -in a hurry - so its added it in the spell check and often doesn't give a red line to highlight the error and my eyes dont always pick up on it .. maybe i need deliverance lol :p

ouh and be assured i mispell MOST words ..occasionally i have posted an unedited post .it aint that readable haha . i am a school drop out, uneducated in the world , never been to any seminary , been rebellious had a terribly sinful life was a meth addict and had terrible problems with sexual immorality.. but when Jesus set me free and i was born again of the Holy Spirit .. EVERYTHING changed . and as i listen to him he led me OUT of the practice of sin .i found as i listen to him and obeyed him as he tells us to and empowers us to by HIS spirit .. those actions utterly ceased and i desired them no more but rather i desire his righteousness in everything . people who say you cannot stop sinful actions you know to be sinful actions ..LIE . with God ALL things are possible .. i don't share such things from a theory book . i know we can STOP doing things we KNOW are sinful , because when we love him we WONT . its all about love .

thanks for the shout out ..i will try to be more diligent about correcting that spelling :)
Praise the Lord, ... keep trucking with Him and He will guide you safely home to live with Him forever. Thank you for your testimony. I apologize if my question in anyway hurt your feelings. I just found it strange and had to ask. Glad to know that the Lord has indeed set you free to live for Him.
 

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Right there in the TEN commandments written by the finger of God are these words....
"Remember the Sabbath day"... Why?? ... because God created you

"Remember the Sabbath day by keeping it holy. Six days you shall labor and do all your work, but the seventh day is a Sabbath to the LORD your God. On it you shall not do any work, neither you, nor your son or daughter, nor your manservant or maidservant, nor your animals, nor the alien within your gates. For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, but he rested on the seventh day. Therefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy." (Ex. 20:8-11)

and redeemed you..

Deut 5:12 ‘Observe the sabbath day to keep it holy, as the LORD your God commanded you. 13 ‘Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 14 but the seventh day is a sabbath of the LORD your God; in it you shall not do any work, you or your son or your daughter or your male servant or your female servant or your ox or your donkey or any of your cattle or your sojourner who stays with you, so that your male servant and your female servant may rest as well as you. 15 ‘You shall remember that you were a slave in the land of Egypt, and the LORD your God brought you out of there by a mighty hand and by an outstretched arm; therefore the LORD your God commanded you to observe the sabbath day.

Yeshua is our Redeemer
Yeshua is our Creator

Genesis 2:2
By the seventh day God completed His work which He had done, and He rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had done.

Exodus 16:23
then he said to them, "This is what the LORD meant: Tomorrow is a sabbath observance, a holy sabbath to the LORD. Bake what you will bake and boil what you will boil, and all that is left over put aside to be kept until morning."

Exodus 23:12
"Six days you are to do your work, but on the seventh day you shall cease from labor so that your ox and your donkey may rest, and the son of your female slave, as well as your stranger, may refresh themselves.

Exodus 31:13
"But as for you, speak to the sons of Israel, saying, 'You shall surely observe My Sabbaths for this is a sign between Me and you throughout your generations, that you may know that I am the LORD who sanctifies you.

Exodus 31:15
'For six days work may be done, but on the seventh day there is a Sabbath of complete rest, holy to the LORD; whoever does any work on the Sabbath day shall surely be put to death.

Leviticus 19:3
'Every one of you shall reverence his mother and his father, and you shall keep My Sabbaths; I am the LORD your God.

Leviticus 26:2
'You shall keep My Sabbaths and reverence My sanctuary; I am the LORD.

Deuteronomy 5:12
'Observe the Sabbath day to keep it holy, as the LORD your God commanded you.

Yeshua is Lord of the Sabbath

Matthew 12:8 For the Son of man is Lord even of the Sabbath day.
Mark 2:28 So the Son of Man is Lord even of the Sabbath."
Luke 6:5 And he said to them, That the Son of man is Lord also of the Sabbath.
 

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I believe enough has been written about this subject brought up by "visionary"
and God as our judge would say:

"THIS CASE IS CLOSED"

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I believe enough has been written about this subject brought up by "visionary"
and God as our judge would say:

"THIS CASE IS CLOSED"

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The heart of Torah is the TEN written in stone by God's own finger. The body of Torah is the rest written on parchment by Moses to help teach people the who, what, where, when, why, and how. The events of the first five books of scripture are the baby years of Torah.

Yeshua embodied Torah as a righteous man, living it, teaching it, showing it, explaining it, and focusing it back to the right direction. The Holy Spirit now takes all of that and uses it, when needed, where needed, how needed, why needed, and what is needed, so that we too can walk the righteous walk with Him. That is why meditating on His Law is such a blessing. It makes us ponder the mind of God. It makes us seek Him to understand better what is THE WAY, THE TRUTH, THE LIFE.

God in His wisdom brought up the children of Israel from slavery to free men. The bondage of sin has depth, width, breath, roots, branches, and fruit that only the spiritual person who knows the foundation God provided on Mount Sinai can truly understand. If you don't have that foundation, your guesses are as good as many a "grace only" believer can be.

Prayerfully, search the scriptures to learn why God said and did those things in Old Testament with an eye on the growth and development of His Holy Nation who will be born again here in the last days. You can not have one without the other. Many a Christian thinks that they can do without the old and live Godly lives, but it is just as bad as the nation of Israel who thought that all they needed was the law. It takes both the law for foundation and the Holy Spirit to see how it is to be applied in our lives.

Halacha is a term that Jews use to describe a set of ways to observe and be obedient to the Law. It is like a tradition that like many a Christian tradition lost its value in the eyes of God because it became an end to itself. Halacha while good for a congregation meeting for consistency is not ultimately good if it is considered a law in and of itself for daily living. This is what Peter, Paul, and Yeshua fought against.

For those us who are learning obedience to the Law of God [TEN], and life throws us a challenge of compassion vs letter of law, compassion wins every time. This is a conviction that must come from God on which is the weightier matter of the law. The more you depend on God the more you learn this walk is ultimately the best stand to take. I can not tell you of how many countless times, choosing to do right, doesn't always look right to those who are full of grace and condemnation of us who are observant. They look for opportunities to point fingers and say, "see it can not be done" and think it justifies them not even trying. Love God and Love thy neighbor with all your heart is the very heart beat of God's Torah heart.

You will see and read many who are coming from the Judaism of old, and those who are coming from the Christianity of grace, start seeing where the other is coming from. But both sides carry baggage from where they have been. There are treasures in each, gems of wisdom, books of knowledge, and strong convictions. God is moving upon His people from both sides and bringing them together, intertwining them, and breathing His Holy Spirit upon them to see, hear, and understand as He does.

I know you have come because you are called. Welcome Home, prodigal child of God. We are only a few steps away from His Return. What a blessed hope of His soon return. I look forward to sharing it with you.
 

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And everybody said, Amen.

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The heart of Torah is the TEN written in stone by God's own finger. The body of Torah is the rest written on parchment by Moses to help teach people the who, what, where, when, why, and how. The events of the first five books of scripture are the baby years of Torah.
While I think the Pentateuch contains a progression of thought there is to me foremost attention paid to Genesis as Geniesis contains the seeds that bear fruit thru-out the old and new testament. One cannot read the full story until one can see many topic/word studies progressively.

Yeshua embodied Torah as a righteous man, living it, teaching it, showing it, explaining it, and focusing it back to the right direction. The Holy Spirit now takes all of that and uses it, when needed, where needed, how needed, why needed, and what is needed, so that we too can walk the righteous walk with Him. That is why meditating on His Law is such a blessing. It makes us ponder the mind of God. It makes us seek Him to understand better what is THE WAY, THE TRUTH, THE LIFE.
Christ introduced a principle when He said "again it is written" That applies to the old and new testament as witnesses. What was, what is, and what is to come.

God in His wisdom brought up the children of Israel from slavery to free men. The bondage of sin has depth, width, breath, roots, branches, and fruit that only the spiritual person who knows the foundation God provided on Mount Sinai can truly understand. If you don't have that foundation, your guesses are as good as many a "grace only" believer can be.
He did the same for the gentiles

Prayerfully, search the scriptures to learn why God said and did those things in Old Testament with an eye on the growth and development of His Holy Nation who will be born again here in the last days. You can not have one without the other. Many a Christian thinks that they can do without the old and live Godly lives, but it is just as bad as the nation of Israel who thought that all they needed was the law. It takes both the law for foundation and the Holy Spirit to see how it is to be applied in our lives.
There is the messianic Kingdom and also the Heavenly Kingdom that the Israelites know nothing about unless they have become Christians in which case there is no Jew Gentile male female bond or free

Halacha is a term that Jews use to describe a set of ways to observe and be obedient to the Law. It is like a tradition that like many a Christian tradition lost its value in the eyes of God because it became an end to itself. Halacha while good for a congregation meeting for consistency is not ultimately good if it is considered a law in and of itself for daily living. This is what Peter, Paul, and Yeshua fought against.
Isn't Pharisidical teaching that is the lost tradition of the Judiasts. If not what would be?

For those us who are learning obedience to the Law of God [TEN], and life throws us a challenge of compassion vs letter of law, compassion wins every time. This is a conviction that must come from God on which is the weightier matter of the law. The more you depend on God the more you learn this walk is ultimately the best stand to take. I can not tell you of how many countless times, choosing to do right, doesn't always look right to those who are full of grace and condemnation of us who are observant. They look for opportunities to point fingers and say, "see it can not be done" and think it justifies them not even trying. Love God and Love thy neighbor with all your heart is the very heart beat of God's Torah heart.
RCC is not the only organization that claims persecution? The first 5 commands are Godward, the second commands are nieghbourward. What else is there to make a tradition of in order to remember?

You will see and read many who are coming from the Judaism of old, and those who are coming from the Christianity of grace, start seeing where the other is coming from. But both sides carry baggage from where they have been. There are treasures in each, gems of wisdom, books of knowledge, and strong convictions. God is moving upon His people from both sides and bringing them together, intertwining them, and breathing His Holy Spirit upon them to see, hear, and understand as He does.
Guess that's what the streets of gold are :)

I know you have come because you are called. Welcome Home, prodigal child of God. We are only a few steps away from His Return. What a blessed hope of His soon return. I look forward to sharing it with you.
What does caught up in the air mean to you?
 

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The shell game my friend.

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Ring the bell for round #2.

No arguments for Sunday.

This thread is going left.

CLOSE IT PLEASE.

MAY THE LORD GIVE US SOME OF HIS WISDOM SO WE DON'T GO INTO ANY MORE ROUNDS THAT DON'T ADD ANYTHING ELSE.

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There is a lot of highjacking going on. Someone should put up some signs
 

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While I think the Pentateuch contains a progression of thought there is to me foremost attention paid to Genesis as Geniesis contains the seeds that bear fruit thru-out the old and new testament. One cannot read the full story until one can see many topic/word studies progressively.
I can see where you can see a progression of thought. I see both the innocence of the beginning, the knowledge lost to most by Noah, re-established by Moses, and enlarged, and enlightened by prophets of old, and solidified by Yeshua.
Christ introduced a principle when He said "again it is written" That applies to the old and new testament as witnesses. What was, what is, and what is to come.
Yep.
He did the same for the gentiles
ye[
There is the messianic Kingdom and also the Heavenly Kingdom that the Israelites know nothing about unless they have become Christians in which case there is no Jew Gentile male female bond or free
Since the term Christians has been misrepresenting Yehsua, I prefer true believers
Isn't Pharisidical teaching that is the lost tradition of the Judiasts. If not what would be?
Halacha is a term much like traditions is a term. Both can be both good for or misleading the congregation.
RCC is not the only organization that claims persecution? The first 5 commands are Godward, the second commands are nieghbourward. What else is there to make a tradition of in order to remember?
Not sure sure what you mean by making a tradition in order to remember, is there a specific case you are thinking of?
Guess that's what the streets of gold are :)
I believe so. :big-eyes:
What does caught up in the air mean to you?
It means being taken up to where Yeshua will be when He returns. I suppose like what many pictures have depicted..
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There are 3 major timeline events associated with the Ancient Jewish Wedding. They are the Contract, Consummation and Celebration.

In the Contract, there is the bride price.

Peter 1:18 knowing that you were redeemed from your futile way of life inherited from your fathers, not with what is corruptible, silver or gold, but with the precious blood of Messiah, as of a lamb unblemished and spotless,

The custom was the Father of the Son brings a dowry of a high price to the father of the bride to be. Upon acceptance by both parties, the contract was sealed.

2 Cor 11:2 For I am jealous for you with a jealousy according to Elohim. For I gave you in marriage to one husband, to present you as an innocent maiden to Messiah.

With this contract acceptance, the bride-to-be drinks from the cup filled with wine or grape juice.

1 Cor 11:25 In the same way also the cup, after supper, saying, “This cup is the renewed covenant in My blood. As often as you drink it, do this in remembrance of Me.” For as often as you eat this bread and drink this cup, you proclaim the death of the Master until He comes.

Once she drinks from the cup, it indicates that she has accepted his offer and they are in a legal binding agreement as bride and groom.

It would have been at that point that He would have begun to prepare a place for Himself and His Bride to live. Which Yeshua said that He had gone to do.

John 14:2 “In My Father’s house are many staying places. And if not, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. “And if I go and prepare a place for you, I shall come again and receive you to Myself, that where I am, you might be too.

One of the restraints that can hold up the actual wedding itself is the job of getting the home ready. The Father has to inspect it and give approval before the wedding day can proceed. It is often said that the Bridegroom, when asked, "when is the wedding date?" Yeshua gave the Bridegroom answer.

Matt 24:36 No man knows the day or the hour, but only my Father in Heaven.

This prophecy is also a reflection of The Feast of Trumpets as it was a traditional custom for the High Priest to say, “No man knows the day or the hour.” because of the need for two witnesses to announce the time to start. When the Father gives the word, it is at that time, there would be a procession led by the bridegroom and his friends would head over to where His bride lives to get her. The processional wedding party would start with the sounding of the shofar for the bride to go out to meet the Bridegroom.

1 Thess 4:14 For if we believe that יהושע died and rose again, so also Elohim shall bring with Him those who sleep 15 this we say to you by the word of the Master, that we, the living who are left over at the coming of the Master shall in no way go before those who are asleep. 16 Because the Master Himself shall come down from heaven with a shout, with the voice of a chief messenger, and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Messiah shall rise first. 17 Then we, the living who are left over, shall be caught away together with them in the clouds to meet the Master in the air – and so we shall always be with the Master.

Another connection is the fact that Yom Kippur is all about the atonement. THE AT-ONE-MENT as I call it. With the Father officiating, Yeshua and His Bride are joined together for all time.

Revelation 19:7 Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready. 8 And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen [wedding gown], clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints. 9 And he saith unto me, Write, Blessed are they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb. And he saith unto me, These are the true sayings of God.

Now the Bride may present herself spotless before the groom.And the bride says “Herein is our love made perfect, that I may have boldness in the Day of Judgment: because as he is, so am I in this world.”

Remember also the parable Yeshua use to describe how there will be those who would not be made aware of the times of His second coming and will miss this moment. We know He will do according to His Mo'edims.

Matt 25:1 “Then the reign of the heavens shall be compared to ten maidens who took their lamps and went out to meet the bridegroom. .... 5 Now while the bridegroom took time, they all slumbered and slept. 6 And at midnight a cry was heard, ‘See, the bridegroom is coming, go out to meet him!’

I found something interesting. The final step in the Jewish wedding tradition is called nissuin (to take), a word that comes from naso, which means to lift up. That happens when the Groom gathers up His Bride in His arms and carries her home.
 

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Judges 14:10 So his father went down unto the woman: and Samson made there a feast; for so used the young men to do.11 And it came to pass, when they saw him, that they brought thirty companions to be with him.12 And Samson said unto them, I will now put forth a riddle unto you: if ye can certainly declare it me within the seven days of the feast, and find it out, then I will give you thirty sheets and thirty change of garments:

This part reminds me of the Sukkot. In ancient times, the wedding feast probably included seven full days of food, music, dancing and celebrations. What I understand is that even today Orthodox Jews do keep to the tradition of Sheva Brachot and celebrate after the wedding for seven nights, with friends and family hosting festive meals in honor of the bride and groom.
 

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Are we finished with Sunday?

Some posters are kidnapping this thread like their ancestors were kidnapped for over 70 years and the original message was changed.

DO NOT LET IT HAPPEN AGAIN



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