It's abhorrent.

[Albion]

You are right brother psalms 91, it is abhorrent and worse to do that to children.

To do that to children?? Have you been watching too much MSNBC? The "that" in this case is like going to boarding school, not the image of Nazi concentration camps that the professional hatemongers are trying to sell to the American public. It is much better than what these people knew in their own countries before migrating to the USA and better than what millions of our own children experience.

 

[Lamb]

To do that to children?? Have you been watching too much MSNBC? The "that" in this case is like going to boarding school, not the image of Nazi concentration camps that the professional hatemongers are trying to sell to the American public. It is much better than what these people knew in their own countries before migrating to the USA and better than what millions of our own children experience.

The news always tries to make more drama but having known many foster families I believe you're right. The kids are getting much better treatment than with their parents. Once the parents get their legal matters cleared up then they can appeal to their consulates to locate the children if they do not know where they were taken.

 

[psalms 91]

To do that to children?? Have you been watching too much MSNBC? The "that" in this case is like going to boarding school, not the image of Nazi concentration camps that the professional hatemongers are trying to sell to the American public. It is much better than what these people knew in their own countries before migrating to the USA and better than what millions of our own children experience.

Bottom line, they are the parents, if they can keep them seperately they can also keep them together which would be the decent christian thing to do

 

[hedrick]

The children in that report are US citizens whose parents were deported. Still something that needs to be dealt with. I agree that Trump didn’t create the problem, but in deciding to charge parents he added a whole new set of difficulties to a system that was already broken.

 

[NewCreation435]

You wrote I'm not buying your argument that all of those crossing the border are running from death, rape and other unsafe conditions. Good. I do not buy that either. It isn't what I wrote. I wrote Running from persecution and danger appears to be the motive for many (if not all) refugee applicants. Buy what is true. And do not play with false representations.

There is no false representation. Your post in #12 said this

"Harsh penalties for serious crimes committed in a safe society under a democratic and open government is what some people think works as a deterrent. But aren't refugee applicants escaping from a society that is not safe and a government that is not democratic and open? Running from persecution and danger appears to be the motive for many (if not all) refugee applicants. So how will harsh penalties deter them? They are running from death, rape, and slavery so having their children taken from them for a time is horrendous but not nearly as horrendous as what they are fleeing. That makes the harsh penalty theory collapse because the penalty is harsh but not as harsh as what they are running from. It makes the harsh penalty cruel."

You notice that you said "death, rape, and slavery". While I didn't quote you directly, I did say much the same thing. Don't accuse me of false representation when we can all go back and read what you wrote. Maybe you should do that before you make false statements yourself

 

[Albion]

I think that every last one of them should be housed in Emerson, Manitoba. Those who are already there seem to like it and Trudeau invited refugees, so why wouldn't everyone be happy with this solution?

 

[psalms 91]

Because it still doesnt correct what is wrong with the policy and the people behind it. It is a hellish policy that is immoral and unethical. Sessions should be firedbut of course wont be because Trump fully agrees with it or he would change it. He says it is a terrible policy but his lack of action to change it which could be done in a second if he so chose to do it he will not do.

 

[Albion]

Because it still doesnt correct what is wrong with the policy and the people behind it. It is a hellish policy that is immoral and unethical.

You'll have to tell why that is so...if it is so. All the over-the-top adjectives don't accomplish anything.

 

[psalms 91]

You'll have to tell why that is so...if it is so. All the over-the-top adjectives don't accomplish anything.

Neither does seperating children from their parents, that is just cruel. hard on the kids and hard on the parents but hey whatever Sessons and Trump want, its ok, right, not now not ever.

 

[Tigger]

Look, well golly gee I finally figured out how to upload a new avatar :ange06:

 

[tango]

Still doesnt make it right and the immigration bill that is being considered in Congress addresses that very issue, thankfully. To me there is a big difference between murder and rape and just simply walking across a border seeking a better life.

One might say it's abhorrent for parents to walk across a border knowing their children will be separated from them.

 

[Albion]

Neither does seperating children from their parents, that is just cruel.

If that is the parents' choice or doing--which it is--we ought not to be talking as though it is someone else's fault.

 

[tango]

North is where the "freedom" is and the money. South is where the dictators and corrupt governments and poverty are. Why head south? It would be stupid.

Woah there.... you mean to say the US is the land of freedom? I thought Trump was supposed to be a dictator above the law. Why would people flee Mexico to live under such a dictator?

If people are heading north seeking money it's hard to blame them. That doesn't mean they should just get a free pass to live wherever they want, that's part of what national borders are about.

Of course if welfare were done away with they would only bother heading north if they were willing to work hard to get ahead.

 

[tango]

Neither does seperating children from their parents, that is just cruel. hard on the kids and hard on the parents but hey whatever Sessons and Trump want, its ok, right, not now not ever.

Hasn't this been in place since before Trump? Or was the policy that was just fine under Obama suddenly bad because Trump is in the White House?

Maybe people in the country illegally should just be rounded up and deported as entire families.

 

[Arsenios]

David Brooks says that the policy of separating children from their parents...
after (illegally - my addition) entering the USA is abhorrent.

One solution would be the establishment of an expedited detention facility for families,
with expedited hearings so as to return them quickly to their country of origin...

Another is to change the law... But that got blocked over the wall...

Another is to ignore the law and not enforce it... eg Open Borders Policy outside the Laws of the US...

Another is to send money to countries to give to people who want to immigrate here illegally
and immeditely release them into our country to live and work and go to school and have children...

What would you suggest?

Executive orders modifying enforcement policies for families?

If you give them a pass, they will pack up their kids and flood the borders...

We need to export American Freedom of speech, religion, and economics...

We have not been doing so of late...

As dictator after dictator takes over country after country in the Americas and slaughters or enslaves its citizens...


Arsenios

 

[psalms 91]

Hasn't this been in place since before Trump? Or was the policy that was just fine under Obama suddenly bad because Trump is in the White House?

Maybe people in the country illegally should just be rounded up and deported as entire families.

No other president was so morally corrupt as to enforce such a thing, that is what has hanged and yes the law should be changed and I think it will be but in the meantime Trump runs roughshod over families

 

[MoreCoffee]

Hasn't this been in place since before Trump? Or was the policy that was just fine under Obama suddenly bad because Trump is in the White House?

Maybe people in the country illegally should just be rounded up and deported as entire families.

The policy that separates children from their parents is new. It was instituted by Jeff Sessions. It is fulfilling Donald Trump's election "promises" to treat Mexican (and other Hispanic) refugees like criminals equivalent in wickedness to rapists and murderers.

 

[tango]

No other president was so morally corrupt as to enforce such a thing, that is what has hanged and yes the law should be changed and I think it will be but in the meantime Trump runs roughshod over families

Ah, the assertion based on emotion I see, and it's somehow "morally corrupt" to enforce the laws of the land you're supposed to be leading? How very convenient. If the laws are inappropriate change them. I'm not sure how it's inapproprate to let it be known to would-be unlawful migrants what is likely to happen to them.

Why should the law be changed? If people enter the country illegally they should be dealt with as illegal immigrants. If a family requests asylum at the border they should be kept together but if they enter the country illegally and end up separated it's on them rather than on the state

 

[tango]

The policy that separates children from their parents is new. It was instituted by Jeff Sessions. It is fulfilling Donald Trump's election "promises" to treat Mexican (and other Hispanic) refugees like criminals equivalent in wickedness to rapists and murderers.

Rapists and murderers? Really? All sorts of lesser crimes carry prison time that separates parents from children.

 

[ImaginaryDay2]

The policy that separates children from their parents is new. It was instituted by Jeff Sessions. It is fulfilling Donald Trump's election "promises" to treat Mexican (and other Hispanic) refugees like criminals equivalent in wickedness to rapists and murderers.

Before this whole "separation" debacle, do you have any idea who had the record for deportations, thereby "treating Mexican and other Hispanic refugees like criminals"? Hint - it wasn't a Republican...