Is it LAWFUL to kill animals?

[Lamb]

He didn't. Ignoring Scripture won't make it go away..

Jeremiah 7:22 For I spake not unto your fathers, nor commanded them in the day that I brought them out of the land of Egypt, concerning burnt offerings or sacrifices:

Now, you choose whom will ye serve. The LORD that hates hands that shed innocent blood, or the bloodthirty murderer who demands bloodshed, and delights in abominations. You can't serve both masters.

This shows whom you serve, an imperfect idol, that commands sin. You are even admitting killing animals is a sin, saying God commands it, which is blasphemy, God is Holy and does not command sin, only your idol does.

He's a Christian, please don't insinuate otherwise.

 

[DanielL]

All of Leviticus

Malachi 2:8 But ye are departed out of the way; ye have caused many to stumble at the law; ye have corrupted the covenant of Levi, saith the LORD of hosts.

silly and not at all scriptural

This is whom you call "silly". Ignoring Scripture won't make it go away.

Jeremiah 7:22 For I spake not unto your fathers, nor commanded them in the day that I brought them out of the land of Egypt, concerning burnt offerings or sacrifices:

Why do you believe the scripture you quote but not believe the scriptures I (and others have quoted). What makes your scripture references have greater value than our scripture references?

It is because the Witness of God is greater, the Scriptures I quote, don't deny Him neither of Perfection nor of Holiness, and do honor Him in deed and in Truth.

But the scriptures you quote deny Him of Perfection, because you imply He changed His mind, from herbs to "every moving thing" and then changed again to remove pigs. It also denies Him of Holiness, because you imply He commanded sin, murder, and abomination, shedding of innocent blood.

So, because I worship the True Perfect and Holy God, I have to go with His Witness, in that He did not change His Mind, He did not command sin, He did not command abominations, because these are against His Will, and He doesn't command things that are against His Will, since My God is Perfect.

As for your idol, it's a complete mess, he changes his mind twice just on food, who knows when will he change again, meaning his word is imperfect and doesn't endure for ever, he commands sin and abominations, meaning he is unholy. So, your idol cannot be the True God.

 

[Lanman87]

As for your idol, it's a complete mess, he changes his mind twice just on food, who knows when will he change again, meaning his word is imperfect and doesn't endure for ever, he commands sin and abominations, meaning he is unholy. So, your idol cannot be the True God.

If you don't believe part of the scriptures then how can you believe any of it?

 

[DanielL]

Their offering aren't acceptable because of the state of their hearts toward God.

Blood sacrifices are simply against the Will of God. All these verses say nothing about hearts, as you are trying to add hearts into the word.

Psalm 40:6 Sacrifice and offering thou didst not desire; mine ears hast thou opened: burnt offering and sin offering hast thou not required.

Hosea 6:6 For I desired mercy, and not sacrifice; and the knowledge of God more than burnt offerings.

Proverbs 6:16 These six things doth the Lord hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him:
17 A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,


Jeremiah 7:1 The word that came to Jeremiah from the Lord, saying,

2 Stand in the gate of the Lord's house, and proclaim there this word, and say, Hear the word of the Lord, all ye of Judah, that enter in at these gates to worship the Lord.

3 Thus saith the Lord of hosts, the God of Israel, Amend your ways and your doings, and I will cause you to dwell in this place.

4 Trust ye not in lying words, saying, The temple of the Lord, The temple of the Lord, The temple of the Lord, are these.

5 For if ye throughly amend your ways and your doings; if ye throughly execute judgment between a man and his neighbour;

6 If ye oppress not the stranger, the fatherless, and the widow, and shed not innocent blood in this place, neither walk after other gods to your hurt:

7 Then will I cause you to dwell in this place, in the land that I gave to your fathers, for ever and ever.

8 Behold, ye trust in lying words, that cannot profit.

-Simply "shed not innocent blood in this place", any innocent blood of any kind, in any way, shape or form, Shed not innocent bood in this place. Once again, it says nothing about hearts, there are no exceptions, there is no such thing as righteous shedding of innocent blood..

Ecclesiastes 5:1 Keep thy foot when thou goest to the house of God, and be more ready to hear, than to give the sacrifice of fools: for they consider not that they do evil.

But those who choose their own ways—
delighting in their detestable sins—
will not have their offerings accepted.
When such

That is not what is written in the hebrew.. The "will not have their offerings accepted" is entirely fabricated..They felt the need to add unto the word, in order to keep their lusts and traditions.. How wicked is that?

-He only looks at the contrite spirit, not at the blood sacrifice.. The sacrifice is an abomination unto Him.

Isaiah 66:2 For all those things hath mine hand made, and all those things have been, saith the Lord: but to this man will I look, even to him that is poor and of a contrite spirit, and trembleth at my word.

3 He that killeth an ox is as if he slew a man; he that sacrificeth a lamb, as if he cut off a dog's neck; he that offereth an oblation, as if he offered swine's blood; he that burneth incense, as if he blessed an idol. Yea, they have chosen their own ways, and their soul delighteth in their abominations.

-There is a parallel in Psalms, very similar, and even more clear. You can even check this one in your NLT..

Psalms 51:16 For thou desirest not sacrifice; else would I give it: thou delightest not in burnt offering.
17 The sacrifices of God are a broken spirit: a broken and a contrite heart, O God, thou wilt not despise.

-The sacrifice is a broken spirit, not a blood sacrifice. The blood sacrifice is against His Will.

Matthew 12:7 But if ye had known what this meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice, ye would not have condemned the guiltless.

 

[DanielL]

Scripture is on my side when it comes to understanding what his will actually is.

If Scripture were on your side, you would be on my side..

Hosea 6:6 For I desired mercy, and not sacrifice; and the knowledge of God more than burnt offerings.

Psalm 40:6 Sacrifice and offering thou didst not desire; mine ears hast thou opened: burnt offering and sin offering hast thou not required.

Psalms 51:16 For thou desirest not sacrifice; else would I give it: thou delightest not in burnt offering.

Isaiah 1:11 To what purpose is the multitude of your sacrifices unto me? saith the Lord: I am full of the burnt offerings of rams, and the fat of fed beasts; and I delight not in the blood of bullocks, or of lambs, or of he goats.
15 And when ye spread forth your hands, I will hide mine eyes from you: yea, when ye make many prayers, I will not hear: your hands are full of blood.

Proverbs 6:16 These six things doth the Lord hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him:
17 A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,

Jeremiah 7:5 For if ye throughly amend your ways and your doings; if ye throughly execute judgment between a man and his neighbour;
6 If ye oppress not the stranger, the fatherless, and the widow, and shed not innocent blood in this place, neither walk after other gods to your hurt:
7 Then will I cause you to dwell in this place, in the land that I gave to your fathers, for ever and ever.


Hosea 8:11 Because Ephraim hath made many altars to sin, altars shall be unto him to sin.

12 I have written to him the great things of my law, but they were counted as a strange thing.

13 They sacrifice flesh for the sacrifices of mine offerings, and eat it; but the Lord accepteth them not; now will he remember their iniquity, and visit their sins: they shall return to Egypt.

 

[Castle Church]

This is whom you call "silly". Ignoring Scripture won't make it go away.

Ignoring the entirety of Leviticus does not make it go away.

You literally did not address any of the texts I posted. Perhaps you should look at the scriptures you post in context? Taking verses out of context can lead us down some strange roads.

 

[DanielL]

If you don't believe part of the scriptures then how can you believe any of it?

When you go mine for Gold, you also mine stone, and you ask me: if you don't believe in the stone, why do you believe in the Gold?
-I believe in the Gold because it's Gold, and not in the stone because it's stone. No one throws away the Gold just because they mined stone..

Ignoring the entirety of Leviticus does not make it go away.

I addressed it, with Scripture.. Ignoring it won't make it go away..

Malachi 2:8 But ye are departed out of the way; ye have caused many to stumble at the law; ye have corrupted the covenant of Levi, saith the LORD of hosts.

-This is refering to the abominations the LORD didn't command, such as murder, blood sacrifices and the shedding of innocent blood. All of which are against the Will of God.

Jeremiah 7:22 For I spake not unto your fathers, nor commanded them in the day that I brought them out of the land of Egypt, concerning burnt offerings or sacrifices:

Hosea 6:6 For I desired mercy, and not sacrifice; and the knowledge of God more than burnt offerings.

Psalm 40:6 Sacrifice and offering thou didst not desire; mine ears hast thou opened: burnt offering and sin offering hast thou not required.

Psalms 51:16 For thou desirest not sacrifice; else would I give it: thou delightest not in burnt offering.

Matthew 12:7 But if ye had known what this meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice, ye would not have condemned the guiltless.

 

[Lanman87]

I believe in the Gold because it's Gold, and not in the stone because it's stone. No one throws away the Gold just because they mined stone.

Either it is all God's word or none of it is.

Picking and choose what is "Gold" and what is "Stone" is how cults get started. You pick and choose based on your preconceived beliefs. And, as I said earlier, you are shaping God into your image instead of letting the Word shape you into God's image.

The entire Scriptures are God breathed, inspired, and inerrant. It is all "Gold". To say otherwise is to call God a liar.

 

[Josiah]

He didn't.

Yes He did. You are resorting to lies, and that's not good.

You claim God never told anyone to kill an animal. But like pretty much everything you've posted here, you are wrong (and CLEARLY you don't care).

Exodus 12:1-10

"The Lord said to Moses and Aaron in the land of Egypt, 2 “This month shall be for you the beginning of months; it shall be the first month of the year for you. 3 Tell all the congregation of Israel that on the tenth day of this month they shall take every man a lamb according to their fathers’ houses, a lamb for a household; 4 and if the household is too small for a lamb, then a man and his neighbor next to his house shall take according to the number of persons; according to what each can eat you shall make your count for the lamb. 5 Your lamb shall be without blemish, a male a year old; you shall take it from the sheep or from the goats; 6 and you shall keep it until the fourteenth day of this month, when the whole assembly of the congregation of Israel shall kill their lambs in the evening. 7 Then they shall take some of the blood, and put it on the two doorposts and the lintel of the houses in which they eat them. 8 They shall eat the flesh that night, roasted; with unleavened bread and bitter herbs they shall eat it. 9 Do not eat any of it raw or boiled with water, but roasted, its head with its legs and its inner parts. 10 And you shall let none of it remain until the morning, anything that remains until the morning you shall burn."

Verse 1: "The LORD SAID"

What part of "The LORD said" don't you understand?

Verse 6 "KILL"

What part of "KILL" don't you understand? BTW, the verb in verse 6 is the Hebrew "harag" NOT the very different verb in Deut 5:19 which is "tirtach"


You made the dishonest claim that God never told anyone to kill an animal. So either you need to prove that the Bible is wrong and God actually never said what it state He did, or that a lamb is not an animal or perhaps is a rock or a planet or a bicycle but absolutely not an animal, God commanded them to kill a rock or a bicycle. Good luck. But one thing I'm pretty sure about, you won't admit you were wrong.

OBVIOUSLY, UNDENIABLY God commanded people to kill an animal. It's right there in black and white. You know it. Everyone knows it.




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[DanielL]

You pick and choose based on your preconceived beliefs

My "preconceived belef" is that God is Perfect, Immutable and Holy. That is what I start with..
Anything that denies this, by either saying God changed His Mind, or by saying God commanded abominations, is therefore "stone".
Because Gold can't deny Him in any way, ever. Anything that does is not Gold, but stone.

God commanded people to kill an animal.

You can repeat yourself all you won't, doesn't make it true. God cannot command sin, nor abominations that are against His Will.
That is why He didn't.

Jeremiah 7:22 For I spake not unto your fathers, nor commanded them in the day that I brought them out of the land of Egypt, concerning burnt offerings or sacrifices:

-It all comes down to which voice do you hearken unto. The voice of the LORD that hates hands that shed innocent blood, or to the murderer who demands bloodshed. You can't serve both masters.

Matthew 12:7 But if ye had known what this meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice, ye would not have condemned the guiltless.

 

[DanielL]

It is all "Gold"

Friend, you must choose whom will ye serve.. You can't serve both masters..

Let me ask you this. Do you repay an eye for an eye, or do you have mercy and turn the other cheek? -You can't serve both masters.

Deuteronomy 19:21 And thine eye shall not pity; but life shall go for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot.

Matthew 5:38 Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth:
39 But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.

 

[Castle Church]

Friend, you must choose whom will ye serve.. You can't serve both masters..

Let me ask you this. Do you repay an eye for an eye, or do you have mercy and turn the other cheek? -You can't serve both masters.

Deuteronomy 19:21 And thine eye shall not pity; but life shall go for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot.

Matthew 5:38 Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth:
39 But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.

Friend, as you have been explained here and on the other forums you were banned from, you are just wrong. That is OK, we all make incorrect interpretations.

Let us also not forget . John 21:9-13, "When they landed, they saw a fire of burning coals there with fish on it, and some bread. Jesus said to them, “Bring some of the fish you have just caught.” So Simon Peter climbed back into the boat and dragged the net ashore. It was full of large fish, , but even with so many the net was not torn. Jesus said to them, “Come and have breakfast.” None of the disciples dared ask him, “Who are you?” They knew it was the Lord. Jesus came, took the bread and gave it to them, and did the same with the fish."

Clearly Jesus is OK with eating fish.

 

[DanielL]

you are just wrong

That is your own understanding, as if you were God, to say who's right and wrong. You can't prove me wrong with Scripture, so you lean on your own understanding, as if that proved anything. That is what happens when you stand rebuked.

Jesus is OK with eating fish.

This is yet another example of a stone, that denies Jesus of His Holiness.

-Jesus cannot sin. Fishes also have the Breath of Life.
Exodus 20:13 Thou shalt not kill.

Isaiah 66:3 He that killeth an ox is as if he slew a man [...]


-Jesus cannot commit abomination.
Proverbs 6:16 These six things doth the Lord hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him:
17 A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,


-Jesus only does the Will of the Father.

Hosea 6:6 For I desired mercy, and not sacrifice; and the knowledge of God more than burnt offerings.

Hosea 8:13 They sacrifice flesh for the sacrifices of mine offerings, and eat it; but the Lord accepteth them not; now will he remember their iniquity, and visit their sins: they shall return to Egypt.

-Jesus cannot work against the Will of God, so if God gave life, Jesus cannot take away, if God made alive, Jesus cannot kill.

Jeremiah 7:5 For if ye throughly amend your ways and your doings; if ye throughly execute judgment between a man and his neighbour;
6 If ye oppress not the stranger, the fatherless, and the widow, and shed not innocent blood in this place, neither walk after other gods to your hurt:
7 Then will I cause you to dwell in this place, in the land that I gave to your fathers, for ever and ever.

8 Behold, ye trust in lying words, that cannot profit.


Matthew 12:7 But if ye had known what this meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice, ye would not have condemned the guiltless.

 

[Lanman87]

That is your own understanding,

And you are giving your understanding. Which is wrong. Both Biblically and historically.

 

[DanielL]

And you are giving your understanding.

My understanding is that God is Perfect Immutable and Holy. That is not wrong, if you deny Him of these, you are against the Witness of God, and are found to be a liar, because the Witness of God is Greater.

He is Perfect, therefore He didn't change His Mind. That means herbs and fruits are still food, nothing can be added unto His Word, nor His Law, this alone, proves Jesus didn't ate fish, because He is also Holy. But these are the verses.

Malachi 3:6 For I am the Lord, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.

Psalm 119:89 For ever, O Lord, thy word is settled in heaven.

Mathew 24:35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.

Baruch 4:1 This is the book of the commandments of God, and the law that endureth for ever: all they that keep it shall come to life; but such as leave it shall die.

Matthew 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

Psalm 119:152 Concerning thy testimonies, I have known of old that thou hast founded them for ever.

160 Thy word is true from the beginning: and every one of thy righteous judgments endureth for ever.

Ecclesiastes 3:14 I know that, whatsoever God doeth, it shall be for ever: nothing can be put to it, nor any thing taken from it: and God doeth it, that men should fear before him.


-So, if you had believed in a Perfect God, and any of these verses at all, you would know that herbs and fruits are still food, and always will be, "nothing can be put to it", and Jesus didn't ate fish, because He cannot sin, He is Holy.

Now choose whom will ye serve, the Perfect LORD, or your imperfect idol. You can't serve both masters.

 

[Lamb]

He is Perfect, therefore He didn't change His Mind. That means herbs and fruits are still food, nothing can be added unto His Word, nor His Law, this alone, proves Jesus didn't ate fish, because He is also Holy. But these are the verses.

Luke 24:42-43
They gave him a piece of broiled fish, and he took it and ate it in their presence.

 

[DanielL]

Luke 24:42-43

If you had believed in a Perfect God, you would know His word didn't change, and herbs and fruits are still food. And because Jesus only does the Will of the Father, Jesus didn't ate fish, because Jesus cannot go against the Will of the Father, nor can He sin, nor can He commit abomination.

Matthew 12:7 But if ye had known what this meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice, ye would not have condemned the guiltless.

-So, you seem to believe in an imperfect idol. An idol that changed his imperfect word and imperfect law, and allowed for abominaton, and murder. But if you had known He will have mercy and not sacrifice, you would have not condemned the guiltless..

Hosea 6:6 For I desired mercy, and not sacrifice; and the knowledge of God more than burnt offerings.

Proverbs 6:16 These six things doth the Lord hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him:
17 A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,

Isaiah 66:3 He that killeth an ox is as if he slew a man; he that sacrificeth a lamb, as if he cut off a dog's neck; he that offereth an oblation, as if he offered swine's blood; he that burneth incense, as if he blessed an idol. Yea, they have chosen their own ways, and their soul delighteth in their abominations.

 

[Lamb]

If you had believed in a Perfect God, you would know His word didn't change, and herbs and fruits are still food. And because Jesus only does the Will of the Father, Jesus didn't ate fish, because Jesus cannot go against the Will of the Father, nor can He sin, nor can He commit abomination.

Matthew 12:7 But if ye had known what this meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice, ye would not have condemned the guiltless.

-So, you seem to believe in an imperfect idol. An idol that changed his imperfect word and imperfect law, and allowed for abominaton, and murder. But if you had known He will have mercy and not sacrifice, you would have not condemned the guiltless..

Hosea 6:6 For I desired mercy, and not sacrifice; and the knowledge of God more than burnt offerings.

Proverbs 6:16 These six things doth the Lord hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him:
17 A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,

Isaiah 66:3 He that killeth an ox is as if he slew a man; he that sacrificeth a lamb, as if he cut off a dog's neck; he that offereth an oblation, as if he offered swine's blood; he that burneth incense, as if he blessed an idol. Yea, they have chosen their own ways, and their soul delighteth in their abominations.

So you deny the Word of God saying
Luke 24:42-43
They gave him a piece of broiled fish, and he took it and ate it in their presence.

 

[DanielL]

So you deny the Word of God saying

You deny the Perfect Immutable Nature of God and The Holiness of His Son? Which is worse?

And keep in mind, the Word of God cannot deny His Perfect Immutable Nature, nor the Holiness of His Son. Anything that does, is therefore, not the Word of God, but the word of man.

And the Witness of God is Greater.

 

[Albion]

You deny the Perfect Immutable Nature of God and The Holiness of His Son? Which is worse?

Well, if you want to press that point, it's you who denies the immutable nature of God by denying the words of Holy Writ which authorize the killing of animals.

And by the way, you talk about the "Witness of God" as though the Bible is NOT God's witness but that, instead, it's your own intuition standing in opposition to revelation.