What happens to you when you are baptised?

[MoreCoffee]

What happens to you when you are baptised?

You get wet I presume. What else happens?

 

[Rens]

Depends. I expected to be set free immediately, because I had those strong demonic thoughts, not really voices, bothering me, but nothing happened. When Thorben Sondergaard baptizes people everything happens. They are set free immediately. That's because he explains to them that you die with Christ and raise with Christ and he kicks the demons out if necessary while baptizing them. Baptism is far more powerful than I was taught: just a symbol and outward expression of what happened when you got saved. It's like the Israelis going through the red sea and Pharao and his army drowned and they got out of slavery. They needed another 'baptism' to get into the promised land. That's the baptism in the Holy Spirit, but if you receive that immediately with baptism, that's powerful. Nowadays, well it's changing with that new movement, but people would wait for years after they got saved. In the Bible it was immediately, get saved and baptized was just one thing.

 

[Lamb]

A friend of mine has done a bible study on baptism and gives me permission to repost this:

1. WHAT BLESSINGS DO WE RECEIVE FROM GOD IN BAPTISM?

1 Peter 3:20-21. … in the days of Noah while the ark was being built. In it a few people, eight in all, were saved through water — and this water symbolizes Baptism that now saves you also.

Colossians 2:11-12. In Him you were also circumcised with a circumcision made without hands, in the removal of the body of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ, having been buried with Him in Baptism, in which you were also raised up with Him through faith in the working of God, who raised Him from the dead.

Romans 6:3-10. Or do you not know that all of us who have been baptized into Christ Jesus have been baptized into His death? Therefore we have been buried with Him through Baptism into death, so that as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, so we too might walk in newness of life. For if we have become united with Him in the likeness of His death, certainly we shall also be in the likeness of His resurrection, knowing this, that our old self was crucified with Him, in order that our body of sin might be done away with, so that we would no longer be slaves to sin; for he who has died is freed from sin. Now if we have died with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with Him, knowing that Christ, having been raised from the dead, is never to die again; death no longer is master over Him. For the death that He died, He died to sin once for all; but the life that He lives, He lives to God.

* Note: These passages from Colossians and Romans are summarized well by Dr. Lowell Green: “Baptism is the retroactive participation in the work of Good Friday and Easter Sunday — even better, it is incorporation into the body of the risen and ascended Savior ...”

Galatians 3:27. For all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ.

Eph. 5:26. Christ loved the church and gave Himself up for her to make her holy, cleansing her by the washing with water through the word.

Titus 3:5. He saved us, not because of works done by us in righteousness, but according to his own mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewal of the Holy Spirit.

1 Corinthians 12:13. For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body, whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free, and we were all made to drink of one Spirit.

1 Corinthians 6:11. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.

Acts 22:16. And now what are you waiting for? Get up, be baptized and wash your sins away, calling on his name.

Acts 2:37-39. Now when they heard this they were cut to the heart, and said to Peter and the rest of the apostles, "Brothers, what shall we do?" And Peter said to them, "Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. For the promise is for you and for your children and for all who are far off, everyone whom the Lord our God calls to himself."

Mark 16:16. Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned.

* Note: In these passages, the Word of God associates Baptism with dying and rising with Christ, being clothed with Christ, being cleansed and made holy by Christ, having sins washed away, receiving the Holy Spirit, being regenerated (reborn) and renewed, receiving the forgiveness of sins, and being saved.

 

[Josiah]

Thanks, Lamm

 

[pinacled]

Amen Lamchen.
From what your friend has given you.
More can be added to.
The Law or Torah is for instruction.
Hebrews 11 The Worlds framed.
For Noah and all the faithfull. dimensions of the Ark are given.
Of course a builder of the house has greater honor than the house. Yet who has gone to the builder for instruction on how to build.
Titus 3. Admonition 1 and 2.

 

[pinacled]

When I hear someone say I once was lost and now I am found. Are they just repeating something they hear or is there more?

 

[Lamb]

Pinacled, could you explain what you're saying in relation to the topic please?

 

[pinacled]

Pinacled, could you explain what you're saying in relation to the topic please?

Matt 7; 24

Parable of the wise builder.

I'll start a thread to help give a more detailed explaination.
My notes pertain to measuring the temple.

 

[Lamb]

Matt 7; 24

Parable of the wise builder.

I'll start a thread to help give a more detailed explaination.
My notes pertain to measuring the temple.

Yes, please start a new thread since you aren't telling us here how your comments relate to baptism. Matthew 7:24 reads: Therefore everyone who hears these words of Mine and acts on them is like a wise man who built his house on the rock.

 

[pinacled]

Yes, please start a new thread since you aren't telling us here how your comments relate to baptism. Matthew 7:24 reads: Therefore everyone who hears these words of Mine and acts on them is like a wise man who built his house on the rock.

Are you forgeting the build a house?

Numbers 12;8
1 Corinthians 3;13
Zechariah 13;9

I appologize for not citing the whole scripture.
I have been too busy to sit down at a pc.

 

[Lamb]

Are you forgeting the build a house?

Numbers 12;8
1 Corinthians 3;13
Zechariah 13;9

I appologize for not citing the whole scripture.
I have been too busy to sit down at a pc.

It would be great if you could elaborate your connection on all this.

 

[Ackbach]

The Reformed answer depends on a few careful definitions (as usual):

1. The visible church consists of all people on this earth who have professed faith in Jesus Christ, and are members in good standing of a Bible-believing and Bible-preaching local body of believers.

2. The invisible church consists of all the elect who have been saved. (Note that all the elect will be saved, but an elect person not yet saved is not yet in the invisible church). There is overlap between the visible and invisible churches - hopefully a lot - but the two groups of people are not identical. You have elect people who never make it into the visible church, like the thief on the cross, and you have many in the church who cry, "Lord, Lord", but Jesus never knew them.

3. Spirit baptism occurs at regeneration, when the Holy Spirit resurrects a dead natural man, and enables him to want God, have faith, repent, be justified, etc. It's the second birth. Spirit baptism happens only to the elect, and it occurs to all of them.

4. Water baptism is a sign pointing to the thing signified, which is Spirit baptism. Water baptism must be done by a minister with water, in the name of the Triune God, and makes a person a member of the visible church. This is the short answer, then, to the original question: when you are water baptized, you are made a member of the visible church.

N.B., it is common in the Bible sometimes to equate the sign with the thing signified, so that you will sometimes hear of water baptism being spoken of as if it were Spirit baptism, such as in the 1 Pet. 3:20-21 passage above. Water baptism by itself saves no one. It is Spirit baptism, to which water baptism points, that saves you.

So now, to answer the question, it depends on whether you're talking about water baptism or spirit baptism, as to what you get.

Spirit baptism gives you Jesus, and therefore salvation from regeneration to glorification.

Water baptism gives you two different things, depending on whether you are elect or not. If you are elect, you get the blessing of being under the authority of a local church body, especially her elders. You are in a teaching environment, and you can hear the Word preached, etc. You get many blessings. Once you are of age to discern the Body of Christ, you may participate in the Lord's Supper, another means of grace.

If you are not elect, then at water baptism you receive a curse, because the "stakes are higher", so to speak, but you will never take advantage of the covenant blessings.

 

[MoreCoffee]

... Water baptism by itself saves no one. ...

What is water baptism on its own? Can that even happen?

 

[JPPT1974]

You are set free from sins. And that you are washed anew. As you begin your walk with Christ.

 

[Lamb]

What is water baptism on its own? Can that even happen?

If it has God's Word (which is what makes it "baptism") then it's not alone

 

[visionary]

Hopefully, it is like entering into a covenant with God. It is like a wedding ceremony, where you are committed to Him forever, through thick and thin, in sickness and health, rich or poor, til death do you part knowing He will raise you on the last day.

 

[Ackbach]

What is water baptism on its own? Can that even happen?

The sign is not tied in time to the thing signified. In the sense that water baptism can happen without Spirit baptism, I would definitely affirm that.

If it has God's Word (which is what makes it "baptism") then it's not alone

In this sense, I agree that Word and Sacrament should always be together.

 

[MoreCoffee]

For me Protestant theology around sacraments is very haphazard. One group says "they are signs and symbols of an invisible grace but they accomplish nothing in and of themselves" and another group says "they effect the grace God intends in them through the words of institution" or something like that. Many say "it doesn't matter if you receive communion or not" and some even say "you don't need to be baptised, baptism does not DO anything". Admittedly it is differing groups who say these sorts of things - Lutherans and Anglo-Catholics and maybe some others would be likely to say the "they effect ..." line and Baptists might say the "they are signs and symbols ..." line and I am not very clear on what the Reformed and Presbyterians might say. Seems to me that there is no consistent Protestant theology of the sacraments. And, of course, nearly all Protestants recognise only two sacraments (Baptism and the Lord's Supper) which leaves a Catholic chap like me wondering what on earth Protestant theology has to say about sacraments aside from saying that they reject Catholic teaching on the matter.

So, when one is baptised what does it DO if anything?

 

[Josiah]

For me Protestant theology around sacraments is very haphazard. One group says "they are signs and symbols of an invisible grace but they accomplish nothing in and of themselves" and another group says "they effect the grace God intends in them through the words of institution" or something like that. Many say "it doesn't matter if you receive communion or not" and some even say "you don't need to be baptised, baptism does not DO anything". Admittedly it is differing groups who say these sorts of things - Lutherans and Anglo-Catholics and maybe some others would be likely to say the "they effect ..." line and Baptists might say the "they are signs and symbols ..." line and I am not very clear on what the Reformed and Presbyterians might say. Seems to me that there is no consistent Protestant theology of the sacraments. And, of course, nearly all Protestants recognise only two sacraments (Baptism and the Lord's Supper) which leaves a Catholic chap like me wondering what on earth Protestant theology has to say about sacraments aside from saying that they reject Catholic teaching on the matter.

It's true that at times, a denomination stands alone on some theological point - in total agreement with no other denomination. OF course, obviously, as all 7.3 billion people of the planet know, that's true for the RC Denomination, too. There are LOTS of points - even things it itself alone insists are DE FIDE DOGMA - where it itself stands alone, in total agreement with none, in disagreement with all but it itself. Yes, there are other denominations where that is true too but few more so than the individual RC Denomination, I suspect. IMO, it seems very hypocritical for the RC Denomination to speak of "agreement" when often RCC agreement is with none, hypocritical for Catholics to rebuke other denominations for what often applies even more so to their own denomination. Jesus' "log/speck" point comes to mind.... pot calling kettle black.




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[Ackbach]

For me Protestant theology around sacraments is very haphazard. One group says "they are signs and symbols of an invisible grace but they accomplish nothing in and of themselves" and another group says "they effect the grace God intends in them through the words of institution" or something like that. Many say "it doesn't matter if you receive communion or not" and some even say "you don't need to be baptised, baptism does not DO anything". Admittedly it is differing groups who say these sorts of things - Lutherans and Anglo-Catholics and maybe some others would be likely to say the "they effect ..." line and Baptists might say the "they are signs and symbols ..." line and I am not very clear on what the Reformed and Presbyterians might say. Seems to me that there is no consistent Protestant theology of the sacraments. And, of course, nearly all Protestants recognise only two sacraments (Baptism and the Lord's Supper) which leaves a Catholic chap like me wondering what on earth Protestant theology has to say about sacraments aside from saying that they reject Catholic teaching on the matter.

So, when one is baptised what does it DO if anything?

Yes, there is considerable diversity of opinion on the sacraments. The Reformed and Presbyterian viewpoint answers your question thus: water baptism actually accomplishes inclusion in the visible church. Spirit baptism actually accomplishes inclusion in the invisible church. That's it.