Sunday is God's day of Worship

[amadeois]

@pinnacled

Thank you for your kind words.

The love shows in you.
God bless you.

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[tango]

Just because It is not the answer you want.does not mean it is not an answer.

I don't really care if it's an answer I want or not, but an answer is something that addresses the question rather than something that dances all over the place and doesn't answer the question.

To take a simple example, if I ask you "hey Alithis, do you like bacon and eggs" you might say "I like bacon but not eggs" or "no, I'm a vegan" or "I love bacon and eggs" or similar, all of which would be valid answers. If you commented on the Jewish rules for keeping kosher and how cows were to be slaughtered under Jewish law it might make for an interesting read but I'd be none the wiser as to whether or not you liked bacon and eggs.

I was asked if im implying the church is worthless.. And the man made institution that some call church..a gathering of peopl to building or place ..being something "other" then ecclessia ..is, for the most part ,worthless in the respect it does not train people to become like Jesus ,nor do the things he did.it trains them to sit in a seat once a week,recite vain repitions,and think they cant be free of sin , nor desire to be.

I guess you've only been to churches that didn't encourage people to be more Christ-like. It still seems like you've seen a few bad examples and are trying to push the idea that the bad ones you've seen are representative of a much larger group.

since the purpose of becoming a deciple is to become like our master... And the man made institutions ,for the most part,do not teach how to do that.then what they do is worthless.for what they build on top of the foundation laid is doubt,unbelief in what the lord has accomplished.it is hey stubble and straw and will be consumed When tested by fire.

For the most part? How many churches have you been to, in how many countries? I don't doubt for a minute some churches are like this (I've been to a couple of churches where I didn't stay long because the teaching was more than a little questionable) but to take a few examples and assume that most churches are like them is a huge step of bad logic.

 

[Alithis]

since the purpose of becoming a disciple, is to become like our master... And the man made institutions ,for the most part,do not teach how to do that.{they teach about the requirement to become Christlike but do not teach how to do it ] then what they do is worthless.for what they build on top of the foundation laid is doubt,unbelief in what the lord has accomplished.it is hey stubble and straw and will be consumed When tested by fire.

 

[Alithis]

Why stop when sleeping?

fair point .. i woke up last night speaking in tongues ,then woke up and spoke in tongues .. there is no set day but all eternity is a day of worship in his rest .

 

[tango]

since the purpose of becoming a disciple, is to become like our master... And the man made institutions ,for the most part,do not teach how to do that.{they teach about the requirement to become Christlike but do not teach how to do it ] then what they do is worthless.for what they build on top of the foundation laid is doubt,unbelief in what the lord has accomplished.it is hey stubble and straw and will be consumed When tested by fire.

You're just repeating the same assertion and still providing precisely nothing to back it. What qualifies you to comment on "churches, for the most part"? Or are you just aiming that your experience is universal?

 

[visionary]

Evidence in the corruption of clergy is an indication. Corruption within the congregations is an indication. If the training was effective it would have effected both clergy and congregations. If the first was to lead them to Yeshua, then why do most have no experience with Him? Why is the belief system a theology?

 

[Alithis]

You're just repeating the same assertion and still providing precisely nothing to back it. What qualifies you to comment on "churches, for the most part"? Or are you just aiming that your experience is universal?

how many do you know that teach (disciple) people to go out heal the sick drive out demons baptize people and make more disciples ? ...they tech one or two and then stick them behind a pulpit , but the mass of pew sitters -never get taught the basics Jesus taught his disciples and then told them to teach all others who then taught all others .. but "churches' .. nope they don't teach it .. and you know right well that is true . they are taught to sit in a seat 2 hours a week, sing a song or two, give a little .. contribute to the system , and that is it , go to ANY church or 20 to 2000 people and ask them who baptizes people here and in every one of them they will say "we have baptismal services and the pastor baptizes" .. so in all these cases between 20 and 2000 .. none of the congregation is taught to do something as basic as baptize a person in water .. because "the pastors do it " ..so the people are not being taught to do one of the most basic commands of the lord Jesus he commanded all believers to do .

and that's only one example .

the churches however do teach stuff he did not command us to do .. like go to church once a week for 2 hours ,then go home for lunch ,catch a movie , have a boot bbq and a couple of bears in the carpark in some cases. run a social football team and call it outreach -dont talk about the gospel though they might get offended and not come ... oh and dont stop sinning because you cant (apprantly jesus failed to set us free from sin in those cases ) your only human.. your not a new creation with the Power to over come . so come to church and feel good then go and worship your fav fsports team ... yes that is what the bulk of churches train their attendees in .. you know it is so . go to ANY of them ans ask every person in their to stand up if they have ever cast a demon out of a person ?baptised a person ? made another deciple ?(you casnt teach what your not doing yourself ) when churches make disciples they make disciples of their church denomination .. they disciple people to become like their church.. they do not make disciples of the lord Jesus .. Catholics disciple people to become Catholics , Lutherans to become Lutherans, baptists to become baptists. charismatics to become charismatics .. but most NEVER disciple any one to become like JESUS . they do teach ABOUT becoming like JESUS but seldom teach HOW to . becaseu you cant teach or disciple a person in what you are not practicing yourself .. it is like a baker teaching a man to become an electrician .

in the book of acts we see what disciples of the lord Jesus DO .. they went out healing the sick ,preaching the gospel ,driving out demons baptizing people in Jesus name and making more disciples ..

 

[tango]

how many do you know that teach (disciple) people to go out heal the sick drive out demons baptize people and make more disciples ? ...they tech one or two and then stick them behind a pulpit , but the mass of pew sitters -never get taught the basics Jesus taught his disciples and then told them to teach all others who then taught all others .. but "churches' .. nope they don't teach it .. and you know right well that is true . they are taught to sit in a seat 2 hours a week, sing a song or two, give a little .. contribute to the system , and that is it , go to ANY church or 20 to 2000 people and ask them who baptizes people here and in every one of them they will say "we have baptismal services and the pastor baptizes" .. so in all these cases between 20 and 2000 .. none of the congregation is taught to do something as basic as baptize a person in water .. because "the pastors do it " ..so the people are not being taught to do one of the most basic commands of the lord Jesus he commanded all believers to do .

and that's only one example .

the churches however do teach stuff he did not command us to do .. like go to church once a week for 2 hours ,then go home for lunch ,catch a movie , have a boot bbq and a couple of bears in the carpark in some cases. run a social football team and call it outreach -dont talk about the gospel though they might get offended and not come ... oh and dont stop sinning because you cant (apprantly jesus failed to set us free from sin in those cases ) your only human.. your not a new creation with the Power to over come . so come to church and feel good then go and worship your fav fsports team ... yes that is what the bulk of churches train their attendees in .. you know it is so . go to ANY of them ans ask every person in their to stand up if they have ever cast a demon out of a person ?baptised a person ? made another deciple ?(you casnt teach what your not doing yourself ) when churches make disciples they make disciples of their church denomination .. they disciple people to become like their church.. they do not make disciples of the lord Jesus .. Catholics disciple people to become Catholics , Lutherans to become Lutherans, baptists to become baptists. charismatics to become charismatics .. but most NEVER disciple any one to become like JESUS . they do teach ABOUT becoming like JESUS but seldom teach HOW to . becaseu you cant teach or disciple a person in what you are not practicing yourself .. it is like a baker teaching a man to become an electrician .

in the book of acts we see what disciples of the lord Jesus DO .. they went out healing the sick ,preaching the gospel ,driving out demons baptizing people in Jesus name and making more disciples ..

This is just the same assertion repeated yet again with still not a shred of anything to indicate how, or indeed whether, you are qualified to comment on most churches.

 

[visionary]

This is just the same assertion repeated yet again with still not a shred of anything to indicate how, or indeed whether, you are qualified to comment on most churches.

What would make a unqualified comment? attacking the poster rather than the post shouldn't be allowed.

 

[Lamb]

Alithis, those are a lot of false accusations. I bet you actually believe all that.

On Sunday God uses His Word to teach His people. In that I trust. His Word. Not man's interpretation to lead to self but instead to the Savior who died for our sins and we are forgiven.

 

[Lamb]

What would make a unqualified comment? attacking the poster rather than the post shouldn't be allowed.

Which poster has attacked another poster on this thread please?

 

[Alithis]

This is just the same assertion repeated yet again with still not a shred of anything to indicate how, or indeed whether, you are qualified to comment on most churches.

its a question . didn't you say that to answer a question you must answer its content .. (your rules ) how many churches do you know that teach people how to become like Jesus and do the things he told us to do(as listed in previous post ) ?.. you avoided the question because you don't know ANY that do so do you .

 

[Alithis]

Alithis, those are a lot of false accusations. I bet you actually believe all that.

On Sunday God uses His Word to teach His people. In that I trust. His Word. Not man's interpretation to lead to self but instead to the Savior who died for our sins and we are forgiven.

prove it . prove they are false accusations .

since you have made the allegation that i am making false accusation.. prove it .

if you cant then your just attacking my person and not addressing the topic at all

 

[Lamb]

prove it . prove they are false accusations .

Those churches teach the entire bible in their readings throughout a specific span, some go through 3 years.

There is your proof.

 

[visionary]

This is just the same assertion repeated yet again with still not a shred of anything to indicate how, or indeed whether, you are qualified to comment on most churches.

Asking for qualifications is questioning the poster's right to post. It is not a right to shred the poster's right to post. We are here to comment on posts and not the poster. It is a "kill the messenger" syndrome.

 

[Lamb]

Asking for qualifications is questioning the poster's right to post. It is not a right to shred the poster's right to post. We are here to comment on posts and not the poster. It is a "kill the messenger" syndrome.

Overgeneralizations stated is not proof, nor is it biblical back up. A member has every right to demand that OPINIONS in these theological forums be backed up by scripture and not just how they feel or think.

 

[Alithis]

Those churches teach the entire bible in their readings throughout a specific span, some go through 3 years.

There is your proof.

i did not say they did not teach the content of the bible .im sure they recite it a whole lot .

i said they( and used the word most ) do not teach nor disciple people to become like the lord Jesus and do the things he did as he commanded us to do , they teach about that he said to do it , but they dont teach any one how .

example- how many years have you attended your congregation and -what date were you or any of those who sit beside you in pews for years , first trained (dicipled ) in how to cast out a demon or heal a sick person ?

 

[visionary]

Those churches teach the entire bible in their readings throughout a specific span, some go through 3 years.

There is your proof.

All Church interpretations are pressed in throughout the readings so that people don't know this is Judaism theology's book and testimony.

Yeshua is the very heart of Judaism. He presented to the Hebrews at the foot of Mount Sinai. He made them keepers of God's oracles. He came to the children of Israel and said He message is for the children of Israel. His children will be inspired by Mount Sinai/ Mount Zion and see it as Yeshua sees it.

So what good does it do to be told to think one way about scriptures when a personal prayerful reading God will teach another way.

 

[Lamb]

i did not say they did not teach the content of the bible .im sure they recite it a whole lot .

i said they( and used the word most ) do not teach nor disciple people to become like the lord Jesus and do the things he did as he commanded us to do , they teach about that he said to do it , but they dont teach any one how .

example- how many years have you attended your congregation and -what date were you or any of those who sit beside you in pews for years , first trained (dicipled ) in how to cast out a demon or heal a sick person ?

Where are you learning how to be a disciple if not from God's Word from the bible?

 

[Lamb]

All Church interpretations are pressed in throughout the readings so that people don't know this is Judaism theology's book and testimony.

Yeshua is the very heart of Judaism. He presented to the Hebrews at the foot of Mount Sinai. He made them keepers of God's oracles. He came to the children of Israel and said He message is for the children of Israel. His children will be inspired by Mount Sinai/ Mount Zion and see it as Yeshua sees it.

So what good does it do to be told to think one way about scriptures when a personal prayerful reading God will teach another way.

You might want to rethink that claim about churches not wanting to embrace the Hebrew/Jewish roots of Jesus. In fact it is actually taught a great deal and in my Bethel Bible course I took which was very intensive, we were first taught, "Think Hebrew".