are we saved if we remain in sin -? no

[psalms 91]

Sin is what we all seem to do best

 

[Alithis]

I don't want to sin but I know that I will eventually do it. We enjoy our sins...or else we wouldn't be doing them. My previous pastor said that we don't get better at not sinning we just get better at sinning and hiding our sins. We deceive ourselves that we aren't sinning. All sins go against God as being our God since we want to make ourselves our own gods.

firstly there is absolutley no scripture to base this on.

So you know..according to your above statement. that you are not free from your sin ..you have no choice but to submit to it sooner or later?
So christ utterly failed on the cross? He has not set you free you are doomed to serve sin all your life no matter how hard you try not to..

That is the single most useless version of the gospel i have ever heard ..there is absolutley no good news in that.no hope .no deliverence ,no good, no faith required.and no truth what so ever.

The lord jesus i believe in came and set me free from the power of sin.
He wiped the past record of it clean. He made me a new creature in christ.he gave me the power to become a son of God and to overcome the world as he overcame the world.

I dont know who your listening to ,but it aint my lord Jesus.
My lord jesus is the victor and he keeps his promises.
His word is true and he is faithful to it.

 

[Alithis]

Sin is what we all seem to do best

Sin ..is what jesus came to save us from.
Not leave us in.
The practice of sin results in death..
Keep sowing sin and you will reap what you sow.

Devils got people fooled into thinking they cant overcome it..
Christians who claim to believe in Jesus dont even believe he can do what he says he can do ... Take away our sin from our lives and give us a new life in which we do not HAVE to sin any more.

To say one will eventually sin is to say christ is powerless to save or change us.
It is having a form of godliness but denying the power thereof .

 

[psalms 91]

I agree that sin is death but are you saying you dont sin? If so the bible has something to say about that. I know many very good people but I dont know one who doesnt sin

 

[Alithis]

I agree that sin is death but are you saying you dont sin? If so the bible has something to say about that. I know many very good people but I dont know one who doesnt sin

You are referring to 1 john ..but not fully in context.
And as iv already stated.. We are saved from sin.. We come out ,we cease from it as we become aware of it we repent and stop.we dont continue in it.
If we are not being consistently transformed inro the image of christ then you are being conformed to this world.there is no static neutral ground .
But people in this forum thread are saying they expect to continue doing sin which they know to be sin. In full contradiction of the claim they profess ,the claim that they have faith in christ..
If we have faith in him then listen to him.do what he tells you to do.

And then tell me you sinned because you were doing what the holy spirit led you to do?..impossible!
Dont be drawn away into the ambiguity of things you have not been convicted by God about. Deal with the sin you know darn well is sin.. Believe he has set you free.. Ask him to show you how to walk in that freedom so you dont serve that sin anymore.
Then listen to him and do what he says.obey him in the one thing he is speaking to you about.dont ignore him,dont deny him lordship.
He will lead you into the position of an over comer and you will walk free of that which once seemed to control you .
I testify it is exactly so.
Jesus said my sheep hear my voice and i know them and they follow me.
They dont ignore him and do thier own thing.. Thats what lost sheep do.

To follow the lord jesus to his house we must listen to him and obey him ..he knows where he is leading us.

I will joyously testify Jesus came to set us free from sin.. It is good news to those entraped ..you can be free.
Yes you can .
Christ has made a way.
You will look back and wonder at his grace ..and marvel at the freedom you have from that sin you beforehand thought you could not escape.

Listen to the holy spirit of the good sheppard and he will always lead you on and up to greener pastures he will never leave you in the mire of sin.
Obey him and you will findyour feet on the rock that can never be moved.


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[Rens]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=P6Fo3BN1m7M

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YacUejbtQ6I

 

[Josiah]

I agree that sin is death but are you saying you dont sin? If so the bible has something to say about that. I know many very good people but I dont know one who doesnt sin

I agree. So, our friend has two options: 1) Since all sin, therefore justification is cancelled and no one is going to heaven (and Jesus thus was a joke - accomplishing nothing, and all those promises of forgiveness were a lie), or 2) Our sins do NOT cancel our justification and all our friends passionate, persistent efforts (regardless of the thread topic) to suggest that justification depends of self (not Jesus) since self saves self (not Jesus) is simply wrong.





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[Josiah]

salvation from sin. sin is breaking the law, the saved don't break the law, that is how salvation works.

Thus, no one is saved since the Bible says that NO ONE is righteous, no not even one. The Bible says for ALL fall short. SAINT Paul (by inspiration of the Holy Spirit) says that he is the CHIEF of sinners, first among sinners (which would at least imply that he sinned). Thus, since all sin, by your theology, all are going to hell. And Jesus was worthless, a joke.

IMO, the saved DO sin (which is WHY salvation matters - why they repent). IF only the sinless get to heaven, then none of us will get to heaven - and Jesus accomplished NOTHING, His whole life and death and resurrection was a meaningless, worthless joke.





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[TurtleHare]

You are referring to 1 john ..but not fully in context.
And as iv already stated.. We are saved from sin.. We come out ,we cease from it as we become aware of it we repent and stop.we dont continue in it.
If we are not being consistently transformed inro the image of christ then you are being conformed to this world.there is no static neutral ground .
But people in this forum thread are saying they expect to continue doing sin which they know to be sin. In full contradiction of the claim they profess ,the claim that they have faith in christ..
If we have faith in him then listen to him.do what he tells you to do.

And then tell me you sinned because you were doing what the holy spirit led you to do?..impossible!
Dont be drawn away into the ambiguity of things you have not been convicted by God about. Deal with the sin you know darn well is sin.. Believe he has set you free.. Ask him to show you how to walk in that freedom so you dont serve that sin anymore.
Then listen to him and do what he says.obey him in the one thing he is speaking to you about.dont ignore him,dont deny him lordship.
He will lead you into the position of an over comer and you will walk free of that which once seemed to control you .
I testify it is exactly so.
Jesus said my sheep hear my voice and i know them and they follow me.
They dont ignore him and do thier own thing.. Thats what lost sheep do.

To follow the lord jesus to his house we must listen to him and obey him ..he knows where he is leading us.

I will joyously testify Jesus came to set us free from sin.. It is good news to those entraped ..you can be free.
Yes you can .
Christ has made a way.
You will look back and wonder at his grace ..and marvel at the freedom you have from that sin you beforehand thought you could not escape.

Listen to the holy spirit of the good sheppard and he will always lead you on and up to greener pastures he will never leave you in the mire of sin.
Obey him and you will findyour feet on the rock that can never be moved.


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Thanks buddy for calling the rest of the forum non believers without faith and trying to proclaim you to be the only Christian here yet you're the one with the false gospel trying to lure people away from the true Jesus who saves and that's the biggest threat to Christianity. Paul warns us of people who bring a different gospel and yours is one where you try to do something to get to heaven because Jesus didn't quite live up to God's expectations enough in his sacrifice to earn that spot for you. So sad.

 

[psalms 91]

Thanks buddy for calling the rest of the forum non believers without faith and trying to proclaim you to be the only Christian here yet you're the one with the false gospel trying to lure people away from the true Jesus who saves and that's the biggest threat to Christianity. Paul warns us of people who bring a different gospel and yours is one where you try to do something to get to heaven because Jesus didn't quite live up to God's expectations enough in his sacrifice to earn that spot for you. So sad.

If you believe in salvation with nothing to go with it then it is you who have a false gospel. We are told to do many things by Christ and if we do not obey then where is the love? Christ sauys that those who love me obey me, what of those who dont?

 

[Alithis]

Thus, no one is saved since the Bible says that NO ONE is righteous, no not even one. The Bible says for ALL fall short. SAINT Paul (by inspiration of the Holy Spirit) says that he is the CHIEF of sinners, first among sinners (which would at least imply that he sinned). Thus, since all sin, by your theology, all are going to hell. And Jesus was worthless, a joke.

IMO, the saved DO sin (which is WHY salvation matters - why they repent). IF only the sinless get to heaven, then none of us will get to heaven - and Jesus accomplished NOTHING, His whole life and death and resurrection was a meaningless, worthless joke.





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for all have "sinned' .. it is a past tense .. we are saved fro its power ..so as it has not power over us why do you keep doing it ?
ask god to forgive you .. he will
and then stop doing it ..

what sin is it you are talking about when you say you still sin after being saved ?
do you not believe Jesus is able to save you from sin.. if you do not have faith in hs ability to do as he has promised ..you are not saved at all
because we are saved by faith ..
where is you faith when you say ..you can't be free ..

 

[Lamb]

for all have "sinned' .. it is a past tense .. we are saved fro its power ..so as it has not power over us why do you keep doing it ?

I thought you denied earlier that you claim to be sinless? It seems as if you still hold to that position?

 

[psalms 91]

I am only a sinner saved by grace

 

[Lamb]

firstly there is absolutley no scripture to base this on.

So you know..according to your above statement. that you are not free from your sin ..you have no choice but to submit to it sooner or later?
So christ utterly failed on the cross? He has not set you free you are doomed to serve sin all your life no matter how hard you try not to..

That is the single most useless version of the gospel i have ever heard ..there is absolutley no good news in that.no hope .no deliverence ,no good, no faith required.and no truth what so ever.

The lord jesus i believe in came and set me free from the power of sin.
He wiped the past record of it clean. He made me a new creature in christ.he gave me the power to become a son of God and to overcome the world as he overcame the world.

I dont know who your listening to ,but it aint my lord Jesus.
My lord jesus is the victor and he keeps his promises.
His word is true and he is faithful to it.

Do you realize that when you break the first commandment that you've broken them all? Yes, you. And of course you break the first commandment. We all have. It's not as if we are going out to break it but we do daily. If you aren't trusting in Jesus for the forgiveness of your sins and instead would much rather work for justification, you're breaking the first commandment. You claim that you have to obey and that will give you justification instead of trusting in the Savior who won for you that which you're trying to earn. So you sin against God by doing that.

Christ didn't fail on the cross. God looks at me and sees His Son with whom He's well pleased. But I am honest. Are you? Do you honestly not know how you are breaking the first commandment and need His forgiveness? Stop trying to earn it and realize that it's won for us. We are forgiven because of Jesus not because of our obedience.

 

[Alithis]

I thought you denied earlier that you claim to be sinless? It seems as if you still hold to that position?

you know iv never said that its just a distraction from the topic ..dont be made uncomfortable in order to crucify the ne making you uncomfortable ..rather be goaded toward and into the fullness of everything the lord Jesus has for you .. freedom from sin and the joy of living in that glorious state of consistently being at peace with god and not having to repeatedly come to him ashamed or pleading forgiveness for things ,while harbouring the intent to do it again.. be done with it . get baptised in water and BURY the old man and do not live after that old nature any more .. obey the holy spirit .

I am only a sinner saved by grace

in that case you need to repent -why are you still a sinner ?
.there is absolutely no scripture to base that on,so think about it .. if your not basing it on scripture then your basing it on your experience. never ever ever does the scriptures call those who are in christ jesus "sinners" - it calls them holy ,sanctified ,saints,justified ,disciples,sons ,children .brethren etc .. but NEVER does it call them sinners .. the term 'oh well i'm just a sinner saved ..is just another way of saying oh well im not wiling to stop doing my favorite sin -that people, is UNrepentance .. god is not mocked .

you say you' just a sinner .. saved . but if we are still enslaved to our sin then we are not yet saved from it -when the israelites were saved from bondage and slavery in egypt ,did they then remain in egypt serving the egyptians ? no they came out and learned to replace their old actions before the red sea with the new actions of the Lord in obedience and those who refused to obey and refused to believe PERISHED . the very thing the lord Jesus came to do has not yet been done in us if we continue in the practice of that which we know to be sin .these things are written for our admonishment and instruction ..
Just so - when we are set free from the slavery to sin.. we are then to come out of it and learn to replace those actions of disobedience with the actions of obedience to god that we are now free do do . and if we by unbelief refuse to obey ,we too will perish and not enter into what the lord has promised us .

there is no escaping obedience,and there is no faith where obedience is not present . if we believe the word of god we will act on it .. we will know he comes to judge righteously upon the earth and he will judge the unrepentant .in fact he judges his own house first and to a higher standard .

it is no small thing that we are instructed ..as disciples of the lord jesus who ARE saved .. to know live out our livers in the FEAR of the LORD .. for we are saved by one way only and that is christ and the good news about him contains instructions and there is a great perils awaiting those who reason away those instructions and refuse to OBEY THE GOSPEL and think they can continue in their sin and still be saved .

the lord JESUS came to save us from sin .. for the sake of eternal life and all he has done on the cross .. start believing in him and that he is able to do what he has promised and start living as if you DO believe .

 

[visionary]

Isn't remaining in sin evidence that the offer wasn't exactly fully accepted? Maybe some favorite sin, weakness, lack of faith, bad habits, rebellion, ignorance, etc is stopping you from the transformation God has for you.

 

[Alithis]

Do you realize that when you break the first commandment that you've broken them all? Yes, you. And of course you break the first commandment. We all have. It's not as if we are going out to break it but we do daily. If you aren't trusting in Jesus for the forgiveness of your sins and instead would much rather work for justification, you're breaking the first commandment. You claim that you have to obey and that will give you justification instead of trusting in the Savior who won for you that which you're trying to earn. So you sin against God by doing that.

Christ didn't fail on the cross. God looks at me and sees His Son with whom He's well pleased. But I am honest. Are you? Do you honestly not know how you are breaking the first commandment and need His forgiveness? Stop trying to earn it and realize that it's won for us. We are forgiven because of Jesus not because of our obedience.

Thou shalt love the lord thy God with all thy heart and all thy mind and all thy strength...
And thy neighbor as thyself.

I already trust he has forgivenmy sin.. I already trust he has set me free .so why should igo and do the sin he has forgiven me for all over again and become guilty of it. Jesus said he has fulfilled the law and i now abide in him who has fulfilled the law. Thus i abide in him who constantly loves the father and i love him .for he saved me from my sin. Jesus said if you love me you will obey.. And when we love him we will ask the father whatever we will and he wil do it because he knows we love the son ,our obedience proves we do ,if we are obedient that is. Does the lord jesus ever tell us to go now that we have been saved and do some more sin ?nope. So if we do we are not obeying him ..we arenot loving him.
It is time to mature now and stop living as infants who must be constantly redirected and repremanded to keep them on the straight way.
So i walk free.
You are trying to suggest those born again and made free from the sin that once controlled them.. Are not actually free.so you and others who so keenly shout one day "we are free from the law" now use the law to accuse me?such contradictions all over the place..

You have ambiguously accused me of ambiguous sin ,so ambiguous that you cant even state what the sin is.. The accusation is false. It is another misdirection.
I dont point out what your sins are..i have never ever even tried to.
Your own conscience does that.
I say.. When we go back and do that sin that we know to be sin.. We show that we are not yet free but have returned and made it our master again.
And i give good news.. Repent and god will forgive you..then ,do not return to it ,but have faith in jesus that he has set you free.and walk and live in that freedom.
Stop listening to theflesh desire and cease listening to that liar the devil who tells you you cant stop.. When Jesus has already broke. Its power off from you ...
Who are you going to believe hencforth..
I believe the lord Jesus.. He is truth.



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[Lamb]

I accuse you and all of us of not being able to fully comply with the first commandment. Do you think you can? How are you doing with that? Maybe you'll think about it daily upon wakening and going to sleep and you'll realize that you don't fully obey that commandment and then you'll see how Jesus comes into play.

 

[psalms 91]

Yup

 

[Josiah]

for all have "sinned' .. it is a past tense .. we are saved fro its power ..so as it has not power over us why do you keep doing it ?
ask god to forgive you .. he will
and then stop doing it ..

So, non-Christians may receive forgiveness in Christ? After all, according to you, if I sinned I'm not saved, so, according to you, the unsaved are forgiven. So, why be saved if being unsaved means I'm forgiven anyway?



Why is Scripture wrong when it says that NO ONE (that includes the 2.2 billion Christians), that NO ONE is righteous (sinless)... that NO ONE does what is right... NO ONE (that would include the 2.2 billion Christians), after all, according to you, those who sin aren't save, justified, and thus aren't Christians. Why was SAINT Paul wrong to pen (by inspiration) that he is the "CHIEF" of sinners, or do you claim that Paul was not a Christian?


Additional to contradicting Scripture, you obviously so completely confuse Law and Gospel, sanctification and justification, self and God - all in your very, very persistent and constant effort to make Christ as small as possible and yourself as BIG as possible. At least Catholics give Jesus SOME role (he helps them) but you never so much as mention the Christ, the Cross, the Blood, mercy, forgiveness.... just you..... just ME, ME, ME, ME, ME, ME, ME, ME and how you don't sin and thus don't need no God, no Christ, no Cross, no Savior cuz you got nothing to be saved from, nothing to be merciful toward, you got you.



Pax CHRISTI



- Josiah