The Triune God.

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Yea but more like this...
And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory. 1 Timothy 3:16

The verse is true it speaks of Jesus as God incarnate. It is not about the Father nor the Holy Spirit.

1 Timothy 3:16 And without argument, great is the secret of religion: He who was seen in the flesh, who was given God's approval in the spirit, was seen by the angels, of whom the good news was given among the nations, in whom the world had faith, who was taken up in glory.

 

[Andrew]

The verse is true it speaks of Jesus as God incarnate. It is not about the Father nor the Holy Spirit.

1 Timothy 3:16 And without argument, great is the secret of religion: He who was seen in the flesh, who was given God's approval in the spirit, was seen by the angels, of whom the good news was given among the nations, in whom the world had faith, who was taken up in glory.

Eww thats not kjv fix it

 

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Eww thats not kjv fix it

KJV is obscure. It's the favourite translation of many people who want to teach errors. Seventh Day Adventists love it because its obscurity allows them to tell lies about Sabbath keeping and dietary laws.

This is the Bible in Basic English done by Cambridge University Press - 1 Timothy 3:16 And without argument, great is the secret of religion: He who was seen in the flesh, who was given God's approval in the spirit, was seen by the angels, of whom the good news was given among the nations, in whom the world had faith, who was taken up in glory.

 

[Andrew]

And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God(Father) was *manifest* in the flesh(the son), justified in the Spirit(Holy Spirit), seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory. 1 Timothy 3:16
Manifest
Justified
Received
Hallelujah!

 

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And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God(Father) was *manifest* in the flesh(the son), justified in the Spirit(Holy Spirit), seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory. 1 Timothy 3:16
Manifest
Justified
Received
Hallelujah!

It works this way

1 Timothy 3:16 And without argument, great is the secret of religion: He (Jesus) who was seen in the flesh, who was given God's (the Father) approval in the spirit, was seen by the angels, of whom the good news was given among the nations, in whom the world had faith, who was taken up in glory.

 

[Andrew]

KJV is obscure. It's the favourite translation of many people who want to teach errors. Seventh Day Adventists love it because its obscurity allows them to tell lies about Sabbath keeping and dietary laws.

This is the Bible in Basic English done by Cambridge University Press - 1 Timothy 3:16 And without argument, great is the secret of religion: He who was seen in the flesh, who was given God's approval in the spirit, was seen by the angels, of whom the good news was given among the nations, in whom the world had faith, who was taken up in glory.

True.
1 John 5:7-8 reads, “For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.” If the*Comma Johanneum*was originally part of 1 John 5:7-8, it would be the clearest and most direct reference to the Trinity in the entire Bible.

However, it is highly unlikely that the*Comma Johanneum*was originally a part of 1 John. None of the oldest Greek manuscripts of 1 John contain the comma, and none of the very early church fathers include it when quoting or referencing 1 John 5:7-8. The presence of the*Comma Johanneum*in Greek manuscripts is actually quite rare until the 15th century A.D. It is primarily found in Latin manuscripts. While some of the Latin manuscripts containing the*Comma Johanneum*are ancient, the*Comma Johanneum*did*not*appear in the original Latin Vulgate written by Jerome.

 

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True.
1 John 5:7-8 reads, “For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.” If the*Comma Johanneum*was originally part of 1 John 5:7-8, it would be the clearest and most direct reference to the Trinity in the entire Bible.

However, it is highly unlikely that the*Comma Johanneum*was originally a part of 1 John. None of the oldest Greek manuscripts of 1 John contain the comma, and none of the very early church fathers include it when quoting or referencing 1 John 5:7-8. The presence of the*Comma Johanneum*in Greek manuscripts is actually quite rare until the 15th century A.D. It is primarily found in Latin manuscripts. While some of the Latin manuscripts containing the*Comma Johanneum*are ancient, the*Comma Johanneum*did*not*appear in the original Latin Vulgate written by Jerome.

Nevertheless it is ancient. It probably came from a lectionary used in the liturgy from the second or third century.

 

[Andrew]

It works this way

1 Timothy 3:16 And without argument, great is the secret of religion: He (Jesus) who was seen in the flesh, who was given God's (the Father) approval in the spirit, was seen by the angels, of whom the good news was given among the nations, in whom the world had faith, who was taken up in glory.

Why did it take away manifest? Thats part of my argument! Buggers no wonder we have such a hard time communicating through scriptures lol if I post scripture you can just repost it with different words and loss of meaning... Meh

 

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Why did it take away manifest? Thats part of my argument! Buggers no wonder we have such a hard time communicating through scriptures lol if I post scripture you can just repost it with different words and loss of meaning... Meh

It didn't take "manifest" away. it used "was seen". both are proper translations of a Greek word. The bible was not written in English.

 

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I could have used this

1 Timothy 3:16 And it is clearly great, this mystery of piety, which was manifested in the flesh, which was justified in the Spirit, which has appeared to Angels, which has been preached to the Gentiles, which is believed in the world, which has been taken up in glory.

:smirk:

 

[Andrew]

I could have used this

1 Timothy 3:16 And it is clearly great, this mystery of piety, which was manifested in the flesh, which was justified in the Spirit, which has appeared to Angels, which has been preached to the Gentiles, which is believed in the world, which has been taken up in glory.

:smirk:

So what do you make of 1 Timothy 3:16?
This verse gives us a simple explanation of how the Godhead works as one.
The Father manifested in the Son Jesus, was justified in the Holy Spirit and ascended into glory...
beautiful
Men exalt themselves against God by explaining away his awesome mystery, what if God is more and they are all wrong? maybe I am impartialism

 

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So what do you make of 1 Timothy 3:16?
This verse gives us a simple explanation of how the Godhead works as one.
The Father manifested in the Son Jesus, was justified in the Holy Spirit and ascended into glory...
beautiful
Men exalt themselves against God by explaining away his awesome mystery, what if God is more and they are all wrong? maybe I am impartialism

I take the verse at face value. It is about Jesus. It isn't proof of the doctrine of the Trinity and it is not proof of modalism. It is a lesson about Jesus. Probably something that was used in a baptismal liturgy or maybe in baptismal catechesis.

1 Timothy 3:16 And it is clearly great, this mystery of piety, which was manifested in the flesh, which was justified in the Spirit, which has appeared to Angels, which has been preached to the Gentiles, which is believed in the world, which has been taken up in glory.

 

[Albion]

So what do you make of 1 Timothy 3:16?
This verse gives us a simple explanation of how the Godhead works as one.
The Father manifested in the Son Jesus, was justified in the Holy Spirit and ascended into glory...

However, the verse says that God was manifested in the flesh, not that the Father was.

It means that the Son, who existed as God from all eternity, took on the nature of a man. God became Man. It does not mean--or state--that the Father decided to become a man and that that's what Jesus was, i.e. the Father except now in human form, with us calling him the "Son" as a way of acknowledging this development.

 

[Andrew]

Ok but Jesus said that God the Father dwells in him and he in the Father.
Jesus had God in him and conquered the flesh and sin because God willed it. Jesus IS God and his name represents God when you call on it, you are calling out to the God of Abraham when you call out in Jesus name.

 

[Andrew]

However, the verse says that God was manifested in the flesh, not that the Father was.

It means that the Son, who existed as God from all eternity, took on the nature of a man. God became Man. It does not mean--or state--that the Father decided to become a man and that that's what Jesus was, i.e. the Father except now in human form, with us calling him the "Son" as a way of acknowledging this development.

The Father is God, when he speaks of the Father he is speaking of God

 

[Albion]

Ok but Jesus said that God the Father dwells in him and he in the Father.
Jesus had God in him and conquered the flesh and sin because God willed it. Jesus IS God and his name represents God when you call on it, you are calling out to the God of Abraham when you call out in Jesus name.

Being God himself, I guess we could say that Jesus "had God in him," yes. Still, I don't understand why these answers always seem to leave the door open for some other understanding of the nature of God.

 

[Andrew]

Being God himself, I guess we could say that Jesus "had God in him," yes. Still, I don't understand why these answers always seem to leave the door open for some other understanding of the nature of God.

Like the former understanding before contradictions were made?
If I pray in Jesus name am I not praying to the Father?

 

[Imalive]

However, the verse says that God was manifested in the flesh, not that the Father was.

It means that the Son, who existed as God from all eternity, took on the nature of a man. God became Man. It does not mean--or state--that the Father decided to become a man and that that's what Jesus was, i.e. the Father except now in human form, with us calling him the "Son" as a way of acknowledging this development.

Jesus is called eternal Father. He is the representation of the Father, the perfect image: 3 in 1.

 

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Ok but Jesus said that God the Father dwells in him and he in the Father.
Jesus had God in him and conquered the flesh and sin because God willed it. Jesus IS God and his name represents God when you call on it, you are calling out to the God of Abraham when you call out in Jesus name.

Jesus also said that he, the Father, and the Spirit dwell in the faithful yet the faithful are not the Father, nor the Son, nor the Holy Spirit. Jesus is not the Father nor is Jesus the Holy Spirit. There are three persons who are God yet there is only one God.

 

[Andrew]

Jesus also said that he, the Father, and the Spirit dwell in the faithful yet the faithful are not the Father, nor the Son, nor the Holy Spirit. Jesus is not the Father nor is Jesus the Holy Spirit. There are three persons who are God yet there is only one God.

God is A spirit, not three, just one. Jesus is the perfect representation because he was born and lived perfectly in the Spirit that is God therefore was God but also man