Gift of Tongues

[Albion]

Well its similar but nothing like "Jak se mas Jehovah?" :/

:ewink:

May I suggest that in the 3rd video I posted, one guy was speaking gibberish but the other HEARD English

That wouldn't mean that the gibberish speaker had any gift of the Holy Spirit then, would it? I suppose that some people would say that the second person (assuming that this is all accurate) had received the gift of a word of knowledge, however...a totally different thing.

in acts it could have been possible for they all spoke in their own tongues but the outsiders HEARD in native languages, who really knows how it works, i think that that is the point that God is in control and none can explain it

Well, in that case, we do know. The Bible does indicate that Peter spoke in a normal tongue but that people of many different language groups HEARD him speaking as if he was speaking in their own languages.

 

[MoreCoffee]

Well its similar but nothing like "Jak se mas Jehovah?" :/

May I suggest that in the 3rd video I posted, one guy was speaking gibberish but the other HEARD english, in acts it could have been possible for they all spoke in their own tongues but the outsiders HEARd in native languages, who really knows how it works, i think that that is the point that God is in control and none can explain it

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Acts says that they were speaking in the languages of the people listening.

Parthians, Medes, Elamites, and residents of Mesopotamia, Judea and Cappadocia, Pontus and Asia, Phrygia and Pamphylia, Egypt and the parts of Libya belonging to Cyrene, and visitors from Rome, both Jews and proselytes, Cretans and Arabs--in our own languages we hear them speaking about God's deeds of power.' Acts 2:9-11​

 

[Andrew]

Acts says that they were speaking in the languages of the people listening.

Parthians, Medes, Elamites, and residents of Mesopotamia, Judea and Cappadocia, Pontus and Asia, Phrygia and Pamphylia, Egypt and the parts of Libya belonging to Cyrene, and visitors from Rome, both Jews and proselytes, Cretans and Arabs--in our own languages we hear them speaking about God's deeds of power.' Acts 2:9-11​

I know thats what they heard, thats the whole point im trying to make

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[MoreCoffee]

I know thats what they heard, thats the whole point im trying to make

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They heard it because it was spoken. there's no other way to hear than with one's ears and what one hears when language is spoken is spoken words hence they heard the disciples speaking words in their languages.

 

[Albion]

I know thats what they heard, thats the whole point im trying to make

Just a minute. None of that is reflected or replicated in today's tongues. Shouldn't that fact matter?

 

[Andrew]

:ewink:


That wouldn't mean that the gibberish speaker had any gift of the Holy Spirit then, would it? I suppose that some people would say that the second person (assuming that this is all accurate) had received the gift of a word of knowledge, however...a totally different thing.



Well, in that case, we do know. The Bible does indicate that Peter spoke in a normal tongue but that people of many different language groups HEARD him speaking as if he was speaking in their own languages.

I said gibberish because thats what it is to you. He described it as speaking in tongues.

MoreCoffee we dont know how it works, as albion suggest the bible indicates a control over peoples ears as well, which is what seems to be the case in that 3rd video I posted, a young man was speaking in tongues according to him but the other young man heard him speaking English.

Whats confusing is why the UPC which sounds like a corporation trying to dissolve the church, requires ALL to speak in tongues, for this great ERROR many probably create false tongues to fit in the church, of course these sound made up and it may be part of the corporate agenda because its definitely not scripture that ALL must speak in tongues regardless on what tongues "is". These are false workers confusing you but for my sake I can say that it is a gift for some but not all.

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[Albion]

Well its similar but nothing like "Jak se mas Jehovah?" :/

May I suggest that in the 3rd video I posted, one guy was speaking gibberish but the other HEARD english

Well now, what that video shows is two men and the second one said that he heard some (unremarkable) messages--in English--which related to something he had already been dreaming about. There's nothing in that account which would even hint that it was true as claimed.

 

[Andrew]

One was speaking "blahblablanlabal" and the other heard only english and didnt even know he was going "blahablahblah"
If what they say is true, then thats odd no?

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[MoreCoffee]

One was speaking "blahblablanlabal" and the other heard only english and didnt even know he was going "blahablahblah"
If what they say is true, then thats odd no?

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That would be remarkable but how can any of us know what he heard unless we trust his testimony and since his testimony is what would be most likely to be questioned as not credible we really have not gained anything significant by alluding to it.

 

[Albion]

One was speaking "blahblablanlabal" and the other heard only english and didnt even know he was going "blahablahblah"
If what they say is true, then thats odd no?

If that was true, it would be odd, yes. But there's no reason to think that it was true. Pastor Joseph Castillo--the first man--specializes in giving off prophesies, by the way, so don't think of this as some ordinary person who happened to break into tongues.

The following is from his church's website. See what you think of it.

"God visited Pastor Joe Castillo in a dream and took him to a bible and opened it up to Deut 28 and God said preach this. So by faith Pastor opened up the bible and began this new series on blessings and cruses. There are over 1,500 If’s in the bible. Most of them are definitely expressing the conditions upon which God will bless men. Actually there is not one unconditional covenant, one promise, or one blessing to be found in all the bible. Therefore we know without a doubt God will no bless a person who transgresses His word. The curse was designed among other things to be: Rod of correction for mankind. The natural effect of abuse of a resource or relationship. Spiritual implication for sin. When God’s hand is on your life the curse cant come in. But if through disobedience his hand of favor can lift off our life and the curse can have its natural course.''

 

[Andrew]

If that was true, it would be odd, yes. But there's no reason to think that it was true. Pastor Joseph Castillo--the first man--specializes in giving off prophesies, by the way, so don't think of this as some ordinary person who happened to break into tongues.

The following is from his church's website. See what you think of it.

"God visited Pastor Joe Castillo in a dream and took him to a bible and opened it up to Deut 28 and God said preach this. So by faith Pastor opened up the bible and began this new series on blessings and cruses. There are over 1,500 If’s in the bible. Most of them are definitely expressing the conditions upon which God will bless men. Actually there is not one unconditional covenant, one promise, or one blessing to be found in all the bible. Therefore we know without a doubt God will no bless a person who transgresses His word. The curse was designed among other things to be: Rod of correction for mankind. The natural effect of abuse of a resource or relationship. Spiritual implication for sin. When God’s hand is on your life the curse cant come in. But if through disobedience his hand of favor can lift off our life and the curse can have its natural course.''

Interesting, God does honor our free will and if you reject him you bring a curse upon yourself.

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[Andrew]

That would be remarkable but how can any of us know what he heard unless we trust his testimony and since his testimony is what would be most likely to be questioned as not credible we really have not gained anything significant by alluding to it.

True. I could ponder on this and think "the guy could have been speaking english the whole time and just be like 'no I wasnt'"
I just cant wrap my head around how someone would do that and have any kind of conscious about it. I personally believe that these types of miracles can occur.
My grandma was deep in prayer one time at church and she told my grampa "look! The beads! They are glowing!!" he said "keep it down tho people will think you are crazy"... some time later on she walked in on him while he was praying alone in the room and he had the biggest smile on his face, he always wanted that miracle to happen for him and it finally did, his rosary was glowing.
Now my grandma does not lie, she is a strict Catholic (grampa passed away sometime ago) and she is the liveliest old lady I know, going on 90 she still drives herself to church and goes shopping by herself, mows her own lawn, lives by herself out in the country miles away from human contact but her spirit is grand and she definitely has the Holy Spirit. She doesnt speak tongues and she has never went to any other church but the catholic church. So thats where I disagree with Pentecostals, we do not all need to speak "tongues" but Paul did encourage it.
She did once go to a small Catholic church when dad was a kid and they were speaking in tongues, he said he got really freaked out because he didnt know what was going on, she told him "son, they are speaking to angels" and then he said he felt a real heavenly peaceful presence engulf him and he will never forget it.


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[Andrew]

I think I know what it is, you see tongues as silly and you dont want to humiliate yourself.
Get past your ego and your pride and let it out and let God in.
Speaking tongues is as we believers claim it, its praising in the spirit because you have let go of your "self". I am tired of over analyzing in this subject.
Dont fear what others might think, go into total humiliation and let it out and I guarantee you that something indeed Holy enters in to that void and changes you. It is The Holy Spirit that comes in. No matter how dumb you think you might sound just let go, light your candle and pray and ask God to help you, when you let go and start making utterance ignore your mind and go with it but dont stop. Let go of your ego your pride and your fear. This works better around other spiritual people but I believe you can ask God alone and recieve it. You can also go to a Pentecostal and ask for baptism in the Holy Spirit.
I just rethought the Pentecostal view over, in this church age we are neither cold (quenching thirst/spiritual) nor hot (good for healing) hence vomited out of his mouth. He would rather you be this way or that way. I favor Pentecostal because it is both for me. But not just because its a church but because its a spiritual understanding with God. Jesus gave up the Ghost, if you give up yourself for him he will give you the ghost, the old self is dead and you put on the new man and you are reborn.
Why is it so hard for you to at least try? Because you think ita demonic? Tongues is written in the bible as a gift but why are you so stand offish to receive it? I expect many to flame me for this post especially because you are filled with pride and ego, you are afraid to give up your self yet you continue in this sinful debate!
Either try it and believe or flame me as unbelievers, note all flaming remarks towards me only edifies yourself and everyone reading that you dont believe otherwise do not respond.
I will make this a thread for believers out of you or you can drag on this bottomless pit of a conversation.

Ask and you shall receive.


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[MennoSota]

Interesting, God does honor our free will and if you reject him you bring a curse upon yourself.

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The Bible never teaches free will in regard to salvation. People can act under the permissive will of God, buy their will can never be greater than God's will. Thus the human will can never be truly free.
In regard to salvation, the Bible is so jam-packed with God's choice in salvation that it takes mental gymnastics to come up with salvation by virtue of free will.

 

[MennoSota]

I think I know what it is, you see tongues as silly and you dont want to humiliate yourself.
Get past your ego and your pride and let it out and let God in.
Speaking tongues is as we believers claim it, its praising in the spirit because you have let go of your "self". I am tired of over analyzing in this subject.
Dont fear what others might think, go into total humiliation and let it out and I guarantee you that something indeed Holy enters in to that void and changes you. It is The Holy Spirit that comes in. No matter how dumb you think you might sound just let go, light your candle and pray and ask God to help you, when you let go and start making utterance ignore your mind and go with it but dont stop. Let go of your ego your pride and your fear. This works better around other spiritual people but I believe you can ask God alone and recieve it. You can also go to a Pentecostal and ask for baptism in the Holy Spirit.
I just rethought the Pentecostal view over, in this church age we are neither cold (quenching thirst/spiritual) nor hot (good for healing) hence vomited out of his mouth. He would rather you be this way or that way. I favor Pentecostal because it is both for me. But not just because its a church but because its a spiritual understanding with God. Jesus gave up the Ghost, if you give up yourself for him he will give you the ghost, the old self is dead and you put on the new man and you are reborn.
Why is it so hard for you to at least try? Because you think ita demonic? Tongues is written in the bible as a gift but why are you so stand offish to receive it? I expect many to flame me for this post especially because you are filled with pride and ego, you are afraid to give up your self yet you continue in this sinful debate!
Either try it and believe or flame me as unbelievers, note all flaming remarks towards me only edifies yourself and everyone reading that you dont believe otherwise do not respond.
I will make this a thread for believers out of you or you can drag on this bottomless pit of a conversation.

Ask and you shall receive.


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You seem to think a gift from God is like a shirt rack...you just try one on for size.
That is not how the gifts work. God gives the gifts as He wills according to its benefit to the body.
If God has gifted you with tongues then go to unreached people groups and ask God to use the gift for the benefit of His Kingdom rather than your own pleasure.

 

[Andrew]

Its never for ones own pleasure, its quite the opposite your are pleasing God by praising God other than yourself

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[Lamb]

Its never for ones own pleasure, its quite the opposite your are pleasing God by praising God other than yourself

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Is that scriptural? You're pleasing God by doing this?

 

[Andrew]

Is that scriptural? You're pleasing God by doing this?

Rejoicing and praising God is very scripture, looking up lifting up your arms and also speaking tongues as Paul describes is a form of praise. Note also that he describes it as the person next to him not understanding him, so is interpreting his own language that is foreign?
I can say for myself that I know i am not praising myself or anything other than God, but as Paul says its only edifying myself, I can prove this to you. Regardless of what different types of tongues were (foreign tongues and non foreign) i know its a form of praise as well, I believe when we praise God we please him yes. I notice in many churches that people may earnestly pray but I rarely see them lifting up there hands and rejoicing like we should. I praise with mind that I know to whom im praising.
But like I said this is something I know personally between me and God so none of this will edify you, I do this at church and others do as well and when new people come in they eventually understand, some even get past humiliation and find liberty in the church and begin speaking in their own form of tongues. This lecture however will never convince you but I hope you may inquire and seek out what this is for yourselves.

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[MennoSota]

Its never for ones own pleasure, its quite the opposite your are pleasing God by praising God other than yourself

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Really? Hophni and Phineas were killed by God for offering incense in praise to God that was not prescribed by God.
Jeraboam created a calf statue in the Northern Kingdom as a place to worship God. God despised his attempted worship and rejected it.
I think we have to be very careful in saying any worship intended for God is pleasing to God.

 

[Imalive]

Another reason that you will want this gift is for emergency type situations.
I cannot tell you how may testimonies I have seen or read where the Holy Spirit will all of a sudden prompt someone to start praying in tongues, and then later on that person finds out that the prayer they were just doing in tongues was just used to save someone else’s life.

http://www.bible-knowledge.com/different-kinds-of-tongues/