Gift of Tongues

[MoreCoffee]

Josiah, it is gibberish whenever it is recorded and tested by language experts. For many people it seems that being a real language is not even up for consideration so they opt for "angelic" languages or "ecstatic speech" or simply "a prayer language" that corresponds to "unutterable groans" originating with the Spirit.

I have never encountered a person who "speaks in tongues" who was convincingly speaking any language but since that is not the claim any more I guess it doesn't matter. "Interpretation of tongues" appears to be indistinguishable from a "prophecy" or "a word of wisdom" or "a word of knowledge" yet all these verbal charismata are apparently "messages from God" according to those who speak them out loud in public meetings. And "speaking in tongues" in private is regarded as using a "prayer language" - I am guessing that this kind of "speaking in tongues" is not conveying messages from God to Christians in general.

 

[Imalive]

And another aspect of this that hasn't been gone into very much here (because of the "doubters" not wanting to be unnecessarily unkind to the charismatic posters, I think) is that there have been innumerable investigations into modern tongues-speaking, and the result is that most have been shown to be bogus. They have repeatedly been "tested."

Not only does "lamma klamma lamma" not have the nature of any language, but speakers repeat their few sounds constantly, have thrown in barks and whistles as well, speak their sounds with the regional accents (Southern, Bostonian, etc.) that they bring with them, and so much more in that vein. The idea that someone interprets is about nothing more definite than that the "interpreter" chooses to say something that comes to his mind.

This phenomenon could be explained as an emotional and/or physical release, and there's nothing wrong with that, but of course this doesn't satisfy anyone who wants to believe it's a gift of the Holy Spirit.

Isn't that a pop song?
Oh no, thats bama lama bama loo.

 

[Imalive]

And another aspect of this that hasn't been gone into very much here (because of the "doubters" not wanting to be unnecessarily unkind to the charismatic posters, I think) is that there have been innumerable investigations into modern tongues-speaking, and the result is that most have been shown to be bogus. They have repeatedly been "tested."

Not only does "lamma klamma lamma" not have the nature of any language, but speakers repeat their few sounds constantly, have thrown in barks and whistles as well, speak their sounds with the regional accents (Southern, Bostonian, etc.) that they bring with them, and so much more in that vein. The idea that someone interprets is about nothing more definite than that the "interpreter" chooses to say something that comes to his mind.

This phenomenon could be explained as an emotional and/or physical release, and there's nothing wrong with that, but of course this doesn't satisfy anyone who wants to believe it's a gift of the Holy Spirit.

And still I can't just say what that is. I got only lalalalala as a baby christian. It was made up nonsense. But someone else when he was just saved he got only one word. And he was so happy he got that, he kept repeating it the whole day and later he had a whole language.

 

[MoreCoffee]

Isn't that a pop song?
Oh no, thats bama lama bama loo.

Tikka kiyama o kiama bushendai kalianda kaliandasai leama bara shumi happa ...

I don't recall a pop song with those lyrics. It could be interpreted as "The Lord is calling his people. Leading them to blessings and abundant life. Resist the world's call and receive what the Lord has to give because he gives good gifts to everyone who hears him and follows him."

Though that interpretation is quite a bit longer in English than the source from which it was interpreted.

 

[Albion]

Tikka kiyama o kiama bushendai kalianda kaliandasai leama bara shumi happa ...

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Have you ever noticed that the great majority of tongues "languages" that are considered by proponents to be real languages have almost every word ending with a vowel, usually the same letter (a)?

 

[MoreCoffee]

Have you ever noticed that the great majority of tongues "languages" that are considered by proponents to be real languages have almost every word ending with a vowel, usually the same letter (a)?

Yes. There is likely to be a reason for that.

 

[Andrew]

Have you ever noticed that the great majority of tongues "languages" that are considered by proponents to be real languages have almost every word ending with a vowel, usually the same letter (a)?

Mine like I said sounds like Czech.
Btw our church doesnt bark and howl and whistle, that sounds more like a zoo

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[Albion]

Mine like I said sounds like Czech.

How so?

 

[MennoSota]

Well if they say 99.9 percent is rubbish or demonic I dont take it serious. But if someone goes to a person speaking in tongues and asks that Spirit or spirit: Do you confess Jesus Christ has come in the flesh? and gets a no then it's demonic.
And ppl who believe this gift doesnt exist now, how can they test? The spiritually mature have tested their senses by using them says Paul. If Derek Prince says theres mixture in a place I take that as a good warning. If MacArthur says it I dont even listen. He calls everything evil.

Demons believe Jesus has come in the flesh.
What measurable tests do you use to discern?
The first test is simple. Can anyone in the body actually understand the language? If not...it's not from God. The Bible shows us very clearly how God chooses to distribute the gift of tongues. But, I guess most pentacostals don't really care what the Bible says because they fake tongues anyway.
All I ask is that people measure the gifts by the Bibles presentation of these gifts. If people do something not in alignment with the Bible then call it out as false.

 

[MennoSota]

Yup unless you experience it most are doubters which is why I find it useless to discuss, this thread is the typical with those who have experienced it and those who havent with all the remarks and disbelief accompnyiong such

Experience must be measured by God's word. If the experience is not in alignment with God's word then throw out the experience as illegitimate.

 

[MennoSota]

Tikka kiyama o kiama bushendai kalianda kaliandasai leama bara shumi happa ...

I don't recall a pop song with those lyrics. It could be interpreted as "The Lord is calling his people. Leading them to blessings and abundant life. Resist the world's call and receive what the Lord has to give because he gives good gifts to everyone who hears him and follows him."

Though that interpretation is quite a bit longer in English than the source from which it was interpreted.

Try interpreting it in Finnish.

 

[Confessional Lutheran]

Tikka kiyama o kiama bushendai kalianda kaliandasai leama bara shumi happa ...

I don't recall a pop song with those lyrics. It could be interpreted as "The Lord is calling his people. Leading them to blessings and abundant life. Resist the world's call and receive what the Lord has to give because he gives good gifts to everyone who hears him and follows him."

Though that interpretation is quite a bit longer in English than the source from which it was interpreted.

Tikka Shaka Zulu haole aloha wahine what?? What language is that, man? Speaking in another language you didn't previously know, but which native speakers of said language understand perfectly? That's what happened on Pentecost and as far as I can tell, that hasn't been replicated since the Apostolic Age.

 

[Andrew]

How so?

It just sounds similar to the language.
I live basically in a czech community, the language was rather short lived but my grandma can speak it fluently. There is a Czech movie you can find on youtube called Kladivo na čarodějnice or witchhammer about an old woman who attempts to steal a Eucharist and gets burnt at the stake basically, I would post it but there is some nudity in the begining. Anyway at the very begining of the film is a man speaking in between the nudy scenes (women bathing) and it just sounds like some of my "baby babel"
I say this because its very rapid and czech is very rapid but its not as repetitive as "yama kama obama" ... Maybe i'll get my grandma to to listen if she doesnt burn me at the stake.
The movie is actually pretty interesting.
As for this conversation, I believe Paul describes debate as a sin :/ maybe we should cool off a bit, miracles happen but false miracles discredit it, and what makes a miracle a miracle is that you cant prove it.

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[tango]

Yup unless you experience it most are doubters which is why I find it useless to discuss, this thread is the typical with those who have experienced it and those who havent with all the remarks and disbelief accompnyiong such

Except some who think they have experienced it may have experienced something else entirely.

 

[tango]

Have you ever noticed that the great majority of tongues "languages" that are considered by proponents to be real languages have almost every word ending with a vowel, usually the same letter (a)?

I remember a guy I knew at a previous church and the time I heard him praying softly in tongues (the volume was such that I could hear given that I was nearby but it clearly wasn't intended for public hearing). I couldn't make out much except for a few sounds. It was some years later I heard a native Hebrew speaker and immediately recognised a few of the words from what the guy had been speaking. As far as I know he had no natural knowledge of the Hebrew language.

It's only one data point but I don't see any specific reason to discredit it.

 

[Imalive]

I remember a guy I knew at a previous church and the time I heard him praying softly in tongues (the volume was such that I could hear given that I was nearby but it clearly wasn't intended for public hearing). I couldn't make out much except for a few sounds. It was some years later I heard a native Hebrew speaker and immediately recognised a few of the words from what the guy had been speaking. As far as I know he had no natural knowledge of the Hebrew language.

It's only one data point but I don't see any specific reason to discredit it.

I speak it most of the time soft too cause you can't do that in publc hard lol, but it sounds a bit Hebrew, those weird ch's and sounds in your throat and very rapidly.

 

[Albion]

I remember a guy I knew at a previous church and the time I heard him praying softly in tongues (the volume was such that I could hear given that I was nearby but it clearly wasn't intended for public hearing). I couldn't make out much except for a few sounds. It was some years later I heard a native Hebrew speaker and immediately recognised a few of the words from what the guy had been speaking. As far as I know he had no natural knowledge of the Hebrew language.

It's only one data point but I don't see any specific reason to discredit it.

Right. There's no reason to discredit that. But what then do we say about the many, many, many tongues-speakers who simply mouth a series of nearly-identical sounds?

What perplexes me almost as much as anything that relates to this subject is that Christians who are firmly convinced of the authenticity of today's tongues-speaking will concede (as we've seen here) that, oh yes, there might be an occasional demonic incident and, oh yes, someone said that they heard someone speak in perfect French, or that there might be an occasional person simply trying to make himself give off sounds that seem like an unknown language -- all of which amounts to making the exception into the norm and vice versa.

 

[MoreCoffee]

Tikka Shaka Zulu haole aloha wahine what?? What language is that, man? Speaking in another language you didn't previously know, but which native speakers of said language understand perfectly? That's what happened on Pentecost and as far as I can tell, that hasn't been replicated since the Apostolic Age.

I think that it's gibberish so not a language used by anybody to communicate intelligible content. The "words" were remembered from my experience with friends who were "speaking in tongues". It sounded similar to most other "speaking in tongues" in my locale. I did notice that some USA visitors sounded a little bit different. Visitors from the UK sounded similar to Australian "speaking in tongues". Visitors from Africa (Uganda and South Africa) sounded noticeably different from each other and from Australians.

 

[Albion]

It just sounds similar to the language.
I live basically in a czech community, the language was rather short lived but my grandma can speak it fluently.

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Doesn't that fact suggest anything to you? I mean, you weren't gifted with the ability to speak in tongues that sound like Swahili or Chinese, were you? :wink:

 

[Andrew]

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Doesn't that fact suggest anything to you? I mean, you weren't gifted with the ability to speak in tongues that sound like Swahili or Chinese, were you? :wink:

Well its similar but nothing like "Jak se mas Jehovah?" :/

May I suggest that in the 3rd video I posted, one guy was speaking gibberish but the other HEARD english, in acts it could have been possible for they all spoke in their own tongues but the outsiders HEARd in native languages, who really knows how it works, i think that that is the point that God is in control and none can explain it

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