USA Trump on Muslims

[tango]

I was pointing out that only several muslims killed THOUSANDS of US citizens during 9/11. That was the point I was trying to make. It only takes a few to do severe harm. I know there are many good Muslims. They are not the problem at hand. I didn't say to ban Muslims. I am only asking others what they think of banning them. Geez, trying to get my point accross is hard work.

Sure, several Muslims did kill thousands of people. You asked what people think of banning Muslims, and I'm just making the point that if we ban Muslims in general for the acts of a few extremists who call themselves Muslims then logically we must also ban Christians for the acts of a few extremists who call themselves Christians and blow up abortion clinics, or ban men for the acts of a few men who force themselves upon women, and so on.

It only takes a few people to do untold damage, Muslim or not. The problem we have in the west is that we endlessly try to figure out which groups of people are likely to be dangerous, while at the same time trying not to discriminate against any particular groups. We could learn a lot from Israel and the way they do things.

Fundamentally we're better off looking at each person as an individual rather than taking simplistic knee-jerk reactions like "Muslim, therefore bad, ban them". Which is why I think, on this issue at least, Donald Trump is a fool (I may have mentioned that already )

 

[Ruth]

Sure, several Muslims did kill thousands of people. You asked what people think of banning Muslims, and I'm just making the point that if we ban Muslims in general for the acts of a few extremists who call themselves Muslims then logically we must also ban Christians for the acts of a few extremists who call themselves Christians and blow up abortion clinics, or ban men for the acts of a few men who force themselves upon women, and so on.

It only takes a few people to do untold damage, Muslim or not. The problem we have in the west is that we endlessly try to figure out which groups of people are likely to be dangerous, while at the same time trying not to discriminate against any particular groups. We could learn a lot from Israel and the way they do things.

Fundamentally we're better off looking at each person as an individual rather than taking simplistic knee-jerk reactions like "Muslim, therefore bad, ban them". Which is why I think, on this issue at least, Donald Trump is a fool (I may have mentioned that already )

I don't think Israel knows how to handle things, they outcast the Palestians and bomb them all the time but it's a reaction to what is done to them, I know. Still, I think they need to learn what peace is.

 

[psalms 91]

I don't think Israel knows how to handle things, they outcast the Palestians and bomb them all the time but it's a reaction to what is done to them, I know. Still, I think they need to learn what peace is.

They know how to mreact swiftly and given their situation I think they use a lot of restraint

 

[tango]

I don't think Israel knows how to handle things, they outcast the Palestians and bomb them all the time but it's a reaction to what is done to them, I know. Still, I think they need to learn what peace is.

I think Israel is hugely maligned in the media. A Jewish friend of mine visits Israel regularly and periodically posts comments about the situation there.

It's funny how the international community constantly tells Israel to show restraint and yet as soon as we come under attack there seems to be no call on us to show restraint. Here we are talking about banning Muslims from visiting the US based on a handful of attacks, while also telling Israel to show restraint when faced with far more regular attacks from Muslims. And yet despite that Arabs in Israel appear to be more free than they would be in Arab nations.

 

[Brighten04]

I don't think Israel knows how to handle things, they outcast the Palestians and bomb them all the time but it's a reaction to what is done to them, I know. Still, I think they need to learn what peace is.

There is a large amount of Palestinians living within Israel proper. Plus, Israel only bombs Palestinians in Gaza because they first bomb Israel. Plus Israel does not bomb them without warning.

 

[visionary]

I do agree with cutting the number that get in down to those who have no history, no internet spew, no evidence of radicalization, or association with radicals. I think that is prudent. But it should be blanket... so tough KKK couldn't get through... Containment is important, because as nations like Germany, France, England, Sweden are finding out... if you get over run, it begins to look a lot like third world, archaic, barbaric, violent, and demeaning for women.

 

[Ruth]

I do agree with cutting the number that get in down to those who have no history, no internet spew, no evidence of radicalization, or association with radicals. I think that is prudent. But it should be blanket... so tough KKK couldn't get through... Containment is important, because as nations like Germany, France, England, Sweden are finding out... if you get over run, it begins to look a lot like third world, archaic, barbaric, violent, and demeaning for women.

Sounds good.

 

[psalms 91]

Absolutely true but I fgear common sense will get overrun by PC. I hate that mindset and that term

 

[Ruth]

Absolutely true but I fgear common sense will get overrun by PC. I hate that mindset and that term

What is PC? What mindset and term do you hate?

 

[psalms 91]

Being politically correct, it goes way to far in many cases and overruns common sense

 

[Ruth]

Being politically correct, it goes way to far in many cases and overruns common sense

I don't think it does. People who are taught to be tolerant of others and often politically correct. I'd rather be that than a bigot

 

[psalms 91]

Do you believe in hell and do you talk about it? Because if you do you have just uttered hate speech according to the politically correct crowd.

 

[Ruth]

Do you believe in hell and do you talk about it? Because if you do you have just uttered hate speech according to the politically correct crowd.

I'd rather not answer that but that is not what politically correct is about, you are sadly mistaken.

 

[psalms 91]

I'd rather not answer that but that is not what politically correct is about, you are sadly mistaken.

It is about many things but that is a part of it. Homosexuality is also a part of it. I am not nor ever will be politically correct, I pray that I am correct according to the bible though

 

[tango]

I do agree with cutting the number that get in down to those who have no history, no internet spew, no evidence of radicalization, or association with radicals. I think that is prudent. But it should be blanket... so tough KKK couldn't get through... Containment is important, because as nations like Germany, France, England, Sweden are finding out... if you get over run, it begins to look a lot like third world, archaic, barbaric, violent, and demeaning for women.

Really? Have you ever been to those places? I certainly don't recognise that description of England.

 

[tango]

I don't think it does. People who are taught to be tolerant of others and often politically correct. I'd rather be that than a bigot

I often get the sense that PC goes beyond just being tolerant and inclusive.

Personally I don't have an issue with people saying "Happy Holidays" instead of "Happy Christmas", simply because it recognises that the recipient (often a stranger) may celebrate any one of Christmas, Hannukah, Kwanzaa, Diwali etc. If I'm talking to people I know celebrate Christmas I'll wish them a merry Christmas. if I'm talking to people who I know celebrate other holidays I'll extend the appropriate greeting.

I don't plan to change my speech patterns to cater for perceived offense that may or may not be taken by people overhearing - if I wish someone a merry Christmas and someone nearby takes offense because they celebrate Diwali, that's too bad. I wasn't talking to them. I'd say that expecting me to sanitise everything I say so it couldn't offend anybody, even in theory, is where getting PC comes into play.

Likewise what often seems to happen is that white middle class people decide what they think minority groups might find offensive and we end up with talk of banning things like "Baa Baa Black Sheep" or "The Farmer Wants A Wife" and so on. I remember a black guy I used to drink with a lot got very upset at being told what was offensive to black people - as he said he's quite capable of deciding for himself what he finds offensive and the fact that people assumed he was some sensitive soul who needed protecting was something he found offensive.

 

[Highlander]

I don't think it does. People who are taught to be tolerant of others and often politically correct. I'd rather be that than a bigot

It is an act of bigotry, itself, to proclaim a person as a bigot simply because s/he tells something as it really is instead of cowardly trying to talk around it with verbal gymnastics.

 

[Highlander]

I'd rather not answer that but that is not what politically correct is about, you are sadly mistaken.

Political Correctness (I prefer the term, "Politically Corrupt") is just a fascist way of browbeating people into thinking and speaking the way the PC nut wants them to do. And only those who are easily intimidated fall for that crap.

I am NOT one of those people. I call things as they are -- not to be insulting, but to be completely accurate. Anything less is an act of cowardness.

 

[Ruth]

It is about many things but that is a part of it. Homosexuality is also a part of it. I am not nor ever will be politically correct, I pray that I am correct according to the bible though

We have seriously gone off topic now. I could careless if I'm correct according to the bible.

 

[Ruth]

Political Correctness (I prefer the term, "Politically Corrupt") is just a fascist way of browbeating people into thinking and speaking the way the PC nut wants them to do. And only those who are easily intimidated fall for that crap.

I am NOT one of those people. I call things as they are -- not to be insulting, but to be completely accurate. Anything less is an act of cowardness.

You are not making any sense either.