The RCC Claim

[pinacled]

I don’t know what you’re talking about.

Are popes worshipped or considered as gods?

Acts 28
[ Howbeit they looked when he should have swollen, or fallen down dead suddenly: but after they had looked a great while, and saw no harm come to him, they changed their minds, and said that he was a god.]

 

[Albion]

Are popes worshipped or considered as gods?

No, they aren't.

 

[pinacled]

No, they aren't.

True,
They have no authority over life and death like the serpent driven out by the flame.
Strangely though the Roman hierarchy is worshipped in secular society.
Its place in history has a notorious and scandalous reason for existence.
Both greek and roman members of society that held positions of power found themselves losing to the christian majority.
So their solution was to adapt and occult themselves into the majority or lose their greco roman "gods".
Which is why still till this current day their mythology is taught in western society.

 

[Albion]

True,
They have no authority over life and death like the serpent driven out by the flame.
Strangely though the Roman hierarchy is worshipped in secular society.

Let's just say that it is revered to excess, which isn't appropriate.

But you had asked if the popes were worshipped or considered gods, so the only answer to that would be "no."

 

[Faith]

Are popes worshipped or considered as gods?

Acts 28
[ Howbeit they looked when he should have swollen, or fallen down dead suddenly: but after they had looked a great while, and saw no harm come to him, they changed their minds, and said that he was a god.]

No.

 

[pinacled]

No.

Why then are they venerated and given an authoritative title?

 

[pinacled]

Currently on the Catholic board and really, anytime I read a Catholic position, they claim that the RCC was established by Christ, Himself. Is this true? I know Martin Luther started out as a Catholic priest but disagreed with the RCC on several things, particularly indulgences. So was the RCC established by Jesus?

Can you please provide a link and citation from the RCC board claiming christ established the (R)oman (C)atholic (C)hurch

 

[Andrew]

Why then are they venerated and given an authoritative title?

Should God be venerated?

if so how can we venerate God?

If not then why do you believe anyone venerates some dude in Rome as God or a god?

Silly.

 

[pinacled]

Should God be venerated?

if so how can we venerate God?

If not then why do you believe anyone venerates some dude in Rome as God or a god?

Silly.

The most High is revered by those whom are under the wings of salvation.

What exactly is your question.
The pontificate and saints are held in esteem similar to mythos of a past culture clinging to its roots while the soil is losing its nourishment.

 

[Andrew]

The most High is revered by those whom are under the wings of salvation.

What exactly is your question.
The pontificate and saints are held in esteem similar to mythos of a past culture clinging to its roots while the soil is losing its nourishment.

The British Royal family likewise claim the stone of Jacob but like the Pope, I forget they even exists sometimes, they lost power of the people a long time ago and now they just fill an empty seat basically.. that chain of tradition is impossible for them to break so I don't expect them to ever leave, and I don't really care either way.

No different thant the succession of the Dali Lamma

 

[pinacled]

The British Royal family likewise claim the stone of Jacob but like the Pope, I forget they even exists sometimes, they lost power of the people a long time ago and now they just fill an empty seat basically.. that chain of tradition is impossible for them to break so I don't expect them to ever leave, and I don't really care either way.

No different thant the succession of the Dali Lamma

Nothing more than a a skeletal remnant of the past that influenced sh'muel to ordinate a king(god) over the land.

 

[pinacled]

The British Royal family likewise claim the stone of Jacob but like the Pope, I forget they even exists sometimes, they lost power of the people a long time ago and now they just fill an empty seat basically.. that chain of tradition is impossible for them to break so I don't expect them to ever leave, and I don't really care either way.

No different thant the succession of the Dali Lamma

Yet subtleties in western curriculum echo a pantheon of worship through alchemic philosophy.

 

[Josiah]

I think the answer to my OP is that Jesus started Christianity but did not start Catholicism or any other denomination, correct?

Agreed.

See post # 28

I will say that for the last few years that I was Catholic I thought the Lutheran belief made much more sense. I struggled with the Catholic belief that bread and wine ceasing to exist when I received them in my mouth.

I've been told by one of the teachers in my parish's First Communion Class that "Transubstantiation" has not been taught to the laity since the 1960's. The Dogma hasn't changed at all (the RCC cannot do that), it just doesn't teach it to the laity anymore. What IS taught is a combination of the Eastern Orthodox view (which holds that a CHANGE happens, they use that word, but that it's mysterious and miraculous and no attempt is made to describe it ... and what is received is the real Body and Blood of Christ, with no mention of bread and wine) and the Lutheran (and original Catholic) position that "is" means "is" so Christ's Body and Blood IS - fully present, and this presence is a divine miracle performed solely by God... bread and wine are also present but simply insignificant. Modern Catholic laity still use the word "transubstantiation" but aren't told what that word actually means... but they no longer use the word "Aristotelian accidents" but simply say "appearance."



Here's my thread as to why I left the RCC. It's old (I'd word it a bit differently - and kinder - today).

Reasons I Changed from Catholic to Lutheran

. Reasons this Catholic Became a Protestant.... I must begin by saying this was by far the hardest thing I've ever done in life.... I have Catholic roots going back CENTURIES.... my family is largely Catholic (not all active, however)... I LOVED my parish and felt deep roots there... and I...

www.christianityhaven.com

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[Albion]

Why then are they venerated and given an authoritative title?

That mainly comes from members of the Pope's own church, so that's not terribly hard to explain. But to the extent that secular figures and governments may give too much attention to the Papacy, it's almost totally because the Roman Catholic Church is the largest Christian denomination in the world and does exert an influence over its members to an extent that isn't true of most other Christian churches.

 

[Faith]

Can you please provide a link and citation from the RCC board claiming christ established the (R)oman (C)atholic (C)hurch

Ah, read the board yourself. And for that matter other Catholic boards.

 

[Faith]

Agreed.

See post # 28





I've been told by one of the teachers in my parish's First Communion Class that "Transubstantiation" has not been taught to the laity since the 1960's. The Dogma hasn't changed at all (the RCC cannot do that), it just doesn't teach it to the laity anymore. What IS taught is a combination of the Eastern Orthodox view (which holds that a CHANGE happens, they use that word, but that it's mysterious and miraculous and no attempt is made to describe it ... and what is received is the real Body and Blood of Christ, with no mention of bread and wine) and the Lutheran (and original Catholic) position that "is" means "is" so Christ's Body and Blood IS - fully present, and this presence is a divine miracle performed solely by God... bread and wine are also present but simply insignificant. Modern Catholic laity still use the word "transubstantiation" but aren't told what that word actually means... but they no longer use the word "Aristotelian accidents" but simply say "appearance."



Here's my thread as to why I left the RCC. It's old (I'd word it a bit differently - and kinder - today).

Reasons I Changed from Catholic to Lutheran

. Reasons this Catholic Became a Protestant.... I must begin by saying this was by far the hardest thing I've ever done in life.... I have Catholic roots going back CENTURIES.... my family is largely Catholic (not all active, however)... I LOVED my parish and felt deep roots there... and I...

www.christianityhaven.com

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I still almost always make the sign of the cross. My prayers feel incomplete when I don’t. My pastor has no problem with that, either.

 

[Faith]

Agreed.

See post # 28





I've been told by one of the teachers in my parish's First Communion Class that "Transubstantiation" has not been taught to the laity since the 1960's. The Dogma hasn't changed at all (the RCC cannot do that), it just doesn't teach it to the laity anymore. What IS taught is a combination of the Eastern Orthodox view (which holds that a CHANGE happens, they use that word, but that it's mysterious and miraculous and no attempt is made to describe it ... and what is received is the real Body and Blood of Christ, with no mention of bread and wine) and the Lutheran (and original Catholic) position that "is" means "is" so Christ's Body and Blood IS - fully present, and this presence is a divine miracle performed solely by God... bread and wine are also present but simply insignificant. Modern Catholic laity still use the word "transubstantiation" but aren't told what that word actually means... but they no longer use the word "Aristotelian accidents" but simply say "appearance."



Here's my thread as to why I left the RCC. It's old (I'd word it a bit differently - and kinder - today).

Reasons I Changed from Catholic to Lutheran

. Reasons this Catholic Became a Protestant.... I must begin by saying this was by far the hardest thing I've ever done in life.... I have Catholic roots going back CENTURIES.... my family is largely Catholic (not all active, however)... I LOVED my parish and felt deep roots there... and I...

www.christianityhaven.com

.

I didn’t think your post was harsh at all.

 

[pinacled]

Ah, read the board yourself. And for that matter other Catholic boards.

I have read catholic internet sites and don't recall anything in their statement of faith that reflects what you have stated.

So please direct myself and the readers to site or link.

 

[Andrew]

I have read catholic internet sites and don't recall anything in their statement of faith that reflects what you have stated.

So please direct myself and the readers to site or link.

Try newadvent.org

 

[pinacled]

Try newadvent.org

Couldn't find anything about the ops assertion.