The RCC Claim

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CDo Catholics believe in the Church more than the Bible?ouldn't find anything about the ops assertion.


Oh, for crying out loud, I don’t have time for this! Try other OSV articles, CF, CAF which has shut down but you can probably access the claims through Google. It’s all over the Catholic sites. This is the last time I’ll show you proof of what everybody else is able to find all on their own.

Also, a tip, I recently posted about this on CF. Go find it.
 
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I couldn't find any phrase in the site that states, " they claim that the RCC was established by Christ, Himself"
 

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I couldn't find any phrase in the site that states, " they claim that the RCC was established by Christ, Himself"
If you’re unwilling to do what everybody else is probably willing to do, then paraphrase. Or move on.

p.s. ”The readers“ aren’t having a problem with this.
 

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If you’re unwilling to do what everybody else is probably willing to do, then paraphrase. Or move on.

p.s. ”The readers“ aren’t having a problem with this.
Where should I move on to?

I don't know of any catholics holding sole claim over jesus as their founding
 

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I have read catholic internet sites and don't recall anything in their statement of faith that reflects what you have stated.

So please direct myself and the readers to site or link.
WHERE did I EVER say it was in their statement of faith?
 

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They, meaning the POSTERS. NOT their statement of faith.
Why bother with hearsay/gossip ?
Focus Instead on fruition.

Blessings Always
 

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I have heard only that Catholics believe Christ gave Peter the keys of infallibility to His Church (what you hold true here will be true in Heaven) and thus makes him the Vicor over the Christian Church.

The Body of Christ IS the Church, and Catholic was not always lower cased, the early church fathers wrote to churches and to other church leaders regarding teachings as in a school, like where people go to learn, the church catholic was basically a university of teachers and students made up of Christians for edification of the Faith, catholic means universal, the big C in Catholic came later on.

technically Christ established the catholic church, the RCC denomination like all other denominations come from the early churches
 

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I've never heard of such a claim that Martin Luther was ever a priest.
Such a spurious comment has peaked my interest
 

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I've never heard of such a claim that Martin Luther was ever a priest.
Such a spurious comment has peaked my interest
Martin Luther was a monk and a Catholic priest and a overseer of several Catholic monasteries, he was also a wealthy taxidermist and sea captain.

But dont take my word for it

gooooooooooooooooooogle it
 

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Martin Luther was a monk and a Catholic priest and a overseer of several Catholic monasteries, he was also a wealthy taxidermist and sea captain.

But dont take my word for it

gooooooooooooooooooogle it
[ wealthy taxidermist and sea captain.]

Heheh.
Quite a title similar to captain ahab and the mobius.
 

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Currently on the Catholic board and really, anytime I read a Catholic position, they claim that the RCC was established by Christ, Himself. Is this true? I know Martin Luther started out as a Catholic priest but disagreed with the RCC on several things, particularly indulgences. So was the RCC established by Jesus?
Well, the disagreements between Luther and the RCC are really more in depth. Theology, history, politics, etc. are all behind the schism. Many theological views that Luther held in opposition to the RCC have been smoothed over by time and dialogue. Thinking about either position on purely a theological level will never allow one to see the full picture.

Was the RCC "established by Jesus"? Yes, as were all the "Apostolic" Churches, and the Protestant brothers too on a different level. Who has the most "correct" understanding of the Christian path? Well, that is up to us to investigate in light of theology, history, politics, etc.. The path has been riddled by missteps, intrigue, and political meddling. The Lutheran church would not have survived without the interference of the German princes (who's reasons were not generally altruistic or theological), for right or wrong. But the RCC was in desperate need of reform at that time, regardless of German politics.

I have come back to believing the RCC holds the keys, but the history and truth are not as clear cut as the Catechism or many RCC apologists would make it seem. However, that statement goes both ways - Protestant apologists are also guilty of not looking at the full picture. We all tend to focus on what arguments strengthen our position, and tend to ignore the ones that compromise it. But isn't that human nature?
 
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Well, the disagreements between Luther and the RCC are really more in depth. Theology, history, politics, etc. are all behind the schism. Many theological views that Luther held in opposition to the RCC have been smoothed over by time and dialogue. Thinking about either position on purely a theological level will never allow one to see the full picture.

That's correct and worth pointing out. The RCC has indeed come around to accepting (and adopting for its own use) at least a half dozen of the changes that Luther thought were important to make in order to bring the church back towards its Apostolic roots.

Unfortunately, during the Reformation itself, the RCC condemned the reformers for holding these views. She didn't get around to accepting them until recently, almost 500 years after the start of the Reformation.
 
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