The gods behind abortion

[Andrew]

Murder is a legal term meaning "the illegal taking of a human life. " Abortion is legal thus not murder. As for the rest of your post, it is emotion-laden drivel.

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That legal term isn't recognized in other parts of the world especially in Islam, it's flat out murder. My point there is that legal terms are man made terms only and only for those whom are expected to recognize it under their wing of justice, ironically in our law a homicide of a pregnant women is considered a double homicide.
Revelation tells me to behave as a libertarian "let those who sin continue in sin", it's not our war to get involved in it's in Gods hands, I don't believe in abortion the way it is but I don't see it going away either, to me it's murder and it's no different than killing a baby after being born especially with late term abortion.

 

[kiwimac]

That legal term isn't recognized in other parts of the world especially in Islam, it's flat out murder. My point there is that legal terms are man made terms only and only for those whom are expected to recognize it under their wing of justice, ironically in our law a homicide of a pregnant women is considered a double homicide.
Revelation tells me to behave as a libertarian "let those who sin continue in sin", it's not our war to get involved in it's in Gods hands, I don't believe in abortion the way it is but I don't see it going away either, to me it's murder and it's no different than killing a baby after being born especially with late term abortion.

We are not talking about Sharia based laws so do not try to move the goal posts. Having said that most modern societies define murder as the illegal taking of a human life for good reason. Such rights as a zef has are not as important as the rights given to the human carrying it. Moreover most late term abortions are done for reasons of fetal viability; the physical or mental health of the mother or because the foetus is already dead.

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[Andrew]

We are not talking about Sharia based laws so do not try to move the goal posts. Having said that most modern societies define murder as the illegal taking of a human life for good reason. Such rights as a zef has are not as important as the rights given to the human carrying it. Moreover most late term abortions are done for reasons of fetal viability; the physical or mental health of the mother or because the foetus is already dead.

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Its a lot easier than you know, the doctor can legally create you a still born if he agrees with you that you are depressed aka a mental illness, then the mother may decide AFTER she gives labor and passes the still born if she wants him to revive it... Its a loophole and there are videos of 9 month pregnant women making appointments, I don't agree at all with this.. to me it's definitely murder

 

[Bluezone777]

God doesn't care what your laws says if your law contradicts His. It is His law alone that will be the judge of what is right or wrong. Abortion is the unlawful taking of a human life as God has not given you the right to lawfully take a child's life in the womb. When the books are opened when you are judged, it will be His books that He will open not the law books of the country or countries you have resided in. Men have a habit of trying to dress up their sin as something else so they aren't convicted of it or have to face it but that is to their detriment as no such covering will be available when you stand before Him to give an account of the life you lived on Earth.

 

[Michael]

Murder is a legal term meaning "the illegal taking of a human life. " Abortion is legal thus not murder. As for the rest of your post, it is emotion-laden drivel.

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Choose this day whom you will serve. God or the laws of man.
Whom will be your Judge in that Day?

As for me & my house, we will serve the Lord.

Abortion is murder. Period. End of discussion. To think otherwise is willfully ignorant.

It really is that simple.

 

[kiwimac]

God doesn't care what your laws says if your law contradicts His. It is His law alone that will be the judge of what is right or wrong. Abortion is the unlawful taking of a human life as God has not given you the right to lawfully take a child's life in the womb. When the books are opened when you are judged, it will be His books that He will open not the law books of the country or countries you have resided in. Men have a habit of trying to dress up their sin as something else so they aren't convicted of it or have to face it but that is to their detriment as no such covering will be available when you stand before Him to give an account of the life you lived on Earth.

Show me in the Bible where God says abortion is murder.

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[kiwimac]

Choose this day whom you will serve. God or the laws of man.
Whom will be your Judge in that Day?

As for me & my house, we will serve the Lord.

Abortion is murder. Period. End of discussion. To think otherwise is willfully ignorant.

It really is that simple.

Show me where God says abortion is murder.

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[Michael]

Show me where God says abortion is murder.

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Show me where God says it's ok to dismember and slaughter innocent babies.

I'll be waiting.

 

[kiwimac]

Show me where God says it's ok to dismember and slaughter innocent babies.

I'll be waiting.

Did you miss the Biblical text about drowning the whole earth? Or the one exhorting the Israelites to bash children's heads on stones?

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[Michael]

Did you miss the Biblical text about drowning the whole earth? Or the one exhorting the Israelites to bash children's heads on stones?

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Not at all. In fact I could show you many more verses where God killed people and ordered the slaughter of every man, woman and nursing infant. And I stand by and can explain these passages, which I did touch on in the video.

So... now that we're on the same page... where does God say it is OK to dismember and slaughter innocent children in the womb?

Still waiting...

 

[kiwimac]

Not at all. In fact I could show you many more verses where God killed people and ordered the slaughter of every man, woman and nursing infant. And I stand by and can explain these passages, which I did touch on in the video.

So... now that we're on the same page... where does God say it is OK to dismember and slaughter innocent children in the womb?

Still waiting...

You still have not shown me any verse in the Bible prohibiting abortion so how about you answer my original question first?

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[Michael]

You still have not shown me any verse in the Bible prohibiting abortion so how about you answer my original question first?

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Watch the video if you want an answer. Not wasting any more time with you.

Those who support abortion are willfully ignorant.

 

[kiwimac]

Watch the video if you want an answer. Not wasting any more time with you.

Those who support abortion are willfully ignorant.

Ah, so no actual proof then. You could have just said that.

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[psalms 91]

Hi Kiwimac it is good to see you and I just wanted ot interject here that for those of us that believe life begins at conception it is outright murder. The bible has a lot to say about murder.

 

[Michael]

I just wanted to interject here that for those of us that believe life begins at conception it is outright murder. The bible has a lot to say about murder.

Indeed it is brother. Judgment is coming to this nation for the slaughter of the innocents, and the attitude of the willfully ignorant who choose to remain blind.

 

[Josiah]

Murder is a legal term meaning "the illegal taking of a human life. " Abortion is legal thus not murder. As for the rest of your post, it is emotion-laden drivel.

No. The Hebrew word in "You shall not murder" (and the Greek equal in the NT) means to deliberately take an innocent, non-threatening human life. Abortion rarely is non-deliberate on the part of the medical person or the mother. Rarely has the unborn child done something that clearly deserves capitol punishment. Rarely does the unborn child present a physical threat that can only be stopped by killing them. I think abortion generally qualifies.



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[Andrew]

No. The Hebrew word in "You shall not murder" (and the Greek equal in the NT) means to deliberately take an innocent, non-threatening human life. Abortion rarely is non-deliberate on the part of the medical person or the mother. Rarely has the unborn child done something that clearly deserves capitol punishment. Rarely does the unborn child present a physical threat that can only be stopped by killing them. I think abortion generally qualifies.



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Right? And if something is fidgeting and yawning and sucking its thumb I would be lying if I said Its all just a clunk of useless cells. They are living human beings slowly adapting and growing to be delivered into the world

 

[Bluezone777]

@ Kiwimac

I would gladly go into it with you if I thought you actually believed in the supremacy of scripture and God over man but you don't. In your opening post, you put forth man as the one who justifies the deeds of men which says a lot about what you think of man in relation to God. Any response I make will be filtered by you through the lens of man having supremacy over God so there really is nothing to discuss while you insist on working with that false premise. I suspect if anyone else tries to do what I won't bother doing will end up with nothing to show for it but a lot of frustration.

You will likely deny what I have said here but if it weren't true then you wouldn't even bother looking to men for anything in regards to justification and go straight to God and His Word . You can go out now and claim your victory and dance around in it but it won't mean much to you when you stand at the judgement seat and hear the words " Depart from me you worker of iniquity, I never knew you." It will be then that you come to full clarity as to the error of your ways but it will be too late to do anything about it. That won't be my or any other person's fault but your own.

 

[kiwimac]

@ Kiwimac

I would gladly go into it with you if I thought you actually believed in the supremacy of scripture and God over man but you don't. In your opening post, you put forth man as the one who justifies the deeds of men which says a lot about what you think of man in relation to God. Any response I make will be filtered by you through the lens of man having supremacy over God so there really is nothing to discuss while you insist on working with that false premise. I suspect if anyone else tries to do what I won't bother doing will end up with nothing to show for it but a lot of frustration.

You will likely deny what I have said here but if it weren't true then you wouldn't even bother looking to men for anything in regards to justification and go straight to God and His Word . You can go out now and claim your victory and dance around in it but it won't mean much to you when you stand at the judgement seat and hear the words " Depart from me you worker of iniquity, I never knew you." It will be then that you come to full clarity as to the error of your ways but it will be too late to do anything about it. That won't be my or any other person's fault but your own.

Listen carefully : there is no mention of abortion in scripture. It is simply not there. There is a reason for that. The Hebrews simply did not ( and most still do not) consider a zef as anything other than a potential human until first breath. The Bible IS clear that breath=life. It is there I hang my hat as well.

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[Andrew]

Listen carefully : there is no mention of abortion in scripture. It is simply not there. There is a reason for that. The Hebrews simply did not ( and most still do not) consider a zef as anything other than a potential human until first breath. The Bible IS clear that breath=life. It is there I hang my hat as well.

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So life begins at breathe? Are unborns just dead clumps of cells?