Speaking in tongues?

[tango]

It does invalidate gibberish.


Sent from my iPhone using my right thumb.

Of course, I don't think I ever said that spouting gibberish is anything to do with the gift of tongues. But even if 100% of people who currently claim to speak in tongues could be proven to be spouting gibberish it still wouldn't mean that God couldn't use the gift of tongues in the future, or indeed use it in people who didn't even know they were using it at all.

 

[tango]

It would be subjective as you know it is all in how you look at the scripture. This is a situation where we would be using the same scripture to prove our opposite points. Same thing happens with pre mid or post trib as they all use pretty much the same scriptures

This is the kind of situation where if Scripture contradicts Scripture it's a pretty sure bet it's being misinterpreted by somebody. That's where we need to look at the bigger picture to see which is true, whereas what usually seems to happen is that both sides pull out a verse here and a verse there.

Oscar Wilde described how a drunkard uses a lamppost for support rather than illumination. We need to be careful we don't do the same thing with Scripture.

 

[Pelikan]

Not trying to be funny here Pelikan but do you have anything useful to say about the subject?

Highlighting part of a word to merely write off another's post as being a con isn't helpful to the discussion. If you want to post Scriptures to make a case for or against that's great, but if all you want to do is say little more than "It's all of the devil, neener neener" don't be surprised if you don't get taken very seriously.

Paul wrote "test all things", not "write it off and make backhanded comments about it".

Test all things assumes I'm the one that needs to test it. The Bible is right there. In unbiased opinion probably won't come to the conclusion of what most Charismatics do. It's simply unreasonable.

Seems most people that are Charismatic nowadays are just so desperate to 'see' or 'feel' something that they'll make up just about anything and tongues and 'faith healing' are two of the best sold lies to date.

 

[Pelikan]

Of course, I don't think I ever said that spouting gibberish is anything to do with the gift of tongues. But even if 100% of people who currently claim to speak in tongues could be proven to be spouting gibberish it still wouldn't mean that God couldn't use the gift of tongues in the future, or indeed use it in people who didn't even know they were using it at all.

I don't think anyone's questioning what God can or could do... Even the staunchest of cessationists could agree if they witnessed legitimate tongues. But I guess we have to wait for the aliens to arrive first before we can witness to them in random syllables. Then again, they'd probably look at you with the same disdain as most people that have read the Bible that doesn't trip themselves up grasping at straws.

 

[psalms 91]

That's a pretty big rock ya got there...

No just truth

 

[Alithis]

That's not entirely true, is it?

Where did I say I want to "continue to spout gibberish"? I don't speak in tongues at all.

It's interesting to note that Paul didn't tell the Corinthians to "stop spouting gibberish", he told them the correct way to use the gift of tongues. It's sad that some churches lost sight of his guidance but that doesn't invalidate the gift.

just to clarify - he told them how to use the gift in an orderly manner while in a congregational setting .its use is used far more in private prayer and intercessions. it is also not always such a pronounced
form ..at times it is groanings and things which cannot be uttered in the limitations of human speech -such language of the Spirit has no human interpretation .it is after all. "of" the holy Ghost , not of the flesh . he is spirit and the most high .

 

[Alithis]

I'm referring to tongues.


Sent from my iPhone using my right thumb.

and you feel qualified to make that broad sweeping judgment ?
? may i ask are you opposed to all the manifestations (gifts) of the holy Spirit ..or just this one ?

 

[Alithis]

2Co 11:13-14 NKJV For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into apostles of Christ. (14) And no wonder! For Satan himself transforms himself into an angel of light.

It takes more than just "having faith" - Scripture calls us to "study to show (ourselves) approved", to "test all things", to "test the spirits" and so on. It's not just a passive sense of "God won't let you be deceived".

totally agree .. i find it of interest that it was after i was baptised in the holy ghost and spoke in tongues (and do so to this day and not singular but many distinctly differing tongues ) and had both dreams and visions and interpretations, which revealed to me, in a more full and deep way ,the truth of the Word of God become flesh ... thus the testing of the "spirits" is well and truly done in that respect for the scripture also says ...

"Therefore I want you to understand that no one speaking in the Spirit of God ever says “Jesus is accursed!” and no one can say “Jesus is Lord” except in the Holy Spirit.

4 Now there are varieties of gifts, but the same Spirit; 5 and there are varieties of service, but the same Lord; 6 and there are varieties of activities, but it is the same God who empowers them all in everyone. 7 To each is given the manifestation of the Spirit for the common good. 8 For to one is given through the Spirit the utterance of wisdom, and to another the utterance of knowledge according to the same Spirit, 9 to another faith by the same Spirit, to another gifts of healing by the one Spirit, 10 to another the working of miracles, to another prophecy, to another the ability to distinguish between spirits, to another various kinds of tongues, to another the interpretation of tongues. 11 All these are empowered by one and the same Spirit, who apportions to each one individually as he wills."

when one gains increasing comprehension of the "lordship" of Christ they know it speaks of his godhead bodily . that he is the manifestation in the flesh of the invisible God ..etc So it is not an evil spirit which glorified the truth of who the lord Jesus is to me for no evil spirit can or will do that .. according to the word of God and his word is true.for one of the foundational works of the holy Spirit is to glorify the Lord JESUS . for the lord jesus himself said , speaking of the Holy Spirit ..and HE will glorify me.

and since the manifestations(gifts) of the holy spirit are clearly listed above and tongues is among them -and that they are given by the Holy spirit to whom HE wills .... i would caution anyone of being to swift to judge the will of the Holy Spirit . for if he chooses to gift another with the ability to pray in a tongue unknown to there hearers around .. who are we to judge the holy Spirit on that account or declare him to be "of the devil" .. that is dangerous ground to say the very least.

 

[Alithis]

i think it is advantageous to question people's experience and ask them to testify of when they wee baptized in the Holy ghost and first spoke in tongues .
if there is any doubt of whether they really do speak in tongues by the utterance of the holy Ghost within them .. it is often made evident in testimony especially in the lack there of .

 

[Romanos]

​Let's keep it respectful please.

 

[Pelikan]

i think it is advantageous to question people's experience and ask them to testify of when they wee baptized in the Holy ghost and first spoke in tongues .
if there is any doubt of whether they really do speak in tongues by the utterance of the holy Ghost within them .. it is often made evident in testimony especially in the lack there of .

And what of the testimonies that lack such superstitions?

 

[psalms 91]

And what of the testimonies that lack such superstitions?

You have just called millions of peoples experiences superstious and basically insulted them

 

[Tigger]

You have just called millions of peoples experiences superstious and basically insulted them

That true. Our traditions may differ but our words have an element of charity in them.

 

[Pelikan]

You have just called millions of peoples experiences superstious and basically insulted them

Do you extend the same sentiments to Muslims as well?

 

[psalms 91]

I dont put pictures on my signature that basically insults all those who are not adverse to toungues and to worshipping with their hands up.

 

[Alithis]

And what of the testimonies that lack such superstitions?

im sorry can i get some clarification..? are you a christian who believes in the 66 books of the bible ? calling what is written therein "superstition" gives me just cause to ask .

 

[Alithis]

I dont put pictures on my signature that basically insults all those who are not adverse to toungues and to worshipping with their hands up.

1 Timothy 2:8 I will therefore that men pray every where, lifting up holy hands, without wrath and doubting.

 

[psalms 91]

1 Timothy 2:8 I will therefore that men pray every where, lifting up holy hands, without wrath and doubting.

Thank you

 

[ImaginaryDay2]

...we should test the spirits but for many that is hard for if you dont hear from God or see into the spiritual realm then you are blind and deaf and cannot accurately judge spiritual things

...and basically insulted them

Ummmm..... :/

 

[psalms 91]

no contradiction, toungues are not satanic, also would help if you quoted the whole post and gave context. The insult I was referring to was a picture and caption in his signature