Sinless Mary

[MoreCoffee]

So there aren't any more early church father quotations to back up that they believed that Mary was sinless?

There are, haven't you bothered to do a search?

 

[Josiah]

There are, haven't you bothered to do a search?

The RC Denomination uniquely has the Dogma of The Immaculate Conception (1870). It exists nowhere else. It was first theorized in the 5th Century and not taught in any official way by the RC denomination until the 12th Century and not make dogma until the 19th Century. Obviously, it is not taught in Scripture and not in the Early Church. It comes from no Ecumenical Council,


That doesn't mean that ERGO is wrong, of course. One could argue that Mary was 9 feet tall - and that too would be without any support in Scripture or Apostolic Tradition but theoretically could be true (it doesn't exactly contradict anything in Scripture or early Tradition). True/real Catholics, of course, accept it because they do what they are told to do by their denomination: Docilicly swallow whatever their individual denomination tells them because it itself does. And we all "get" that.


IMO, there is enormous reasons to adore and esteem Mary! Too bad these abiblical, baseless inventions of the RC denomination have caused many Protestants to "distance" themselves from Her. But IMO, if we truly love someone, we don't gossip about them, we don't shout things not known to be true about them. It seems like this to me: For many uber-Catholics, what "drives" them on this is not a love of Mary but a felt-need to defend the POWER of their singular denomination no matter what (even if it means spreading untruths about one they sincerely love), and that's sad.




- Josiah





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[Arsenios]

English Standard Version John 2:3-4 When the wine ran out, the mother of Jesus said to him, “They have no wine.” And Jesus said to her, “Woman, what does this have to do with me? My hour has not yet come.”

So when the wine runs out and I say it has run out, I have just sinned?

Given our histories, most of us would call that action extravagant in its virtue...

I mean, actually telling the truth???

Do you really regard telling the truth as a sin, Menno?

I mean, if she had said to her Son, "Don't worry, Kid, we've got tons of wine right over here in these big water jugs..." then that might have been a sin...

Why is her telling Christ the truth a sin, Menno?


Arsenios

 

[Arsenios]

Who is Blessed Mary?

Do you NOT call Her Blessed, Menno?

I mean, really??


Arsenios

 

[MennoSota]

Do you NOT call Her Blessed, Menno?

I mean, really??


Arsenios

Why would I call her "Blessed Menno?"

 

[Arsenios]

God is 100% Holy, not 99.99%... Absolutely NO ONE is equal to his Holiness!

Amen! The Father, Son and Holy Spirit are not only 100% holy, they are the Source of all holiness...

Mary was picked by God and even the Angels praised her,

As well they should, just as we praise God - The lesser praises the greater, yes?

she was blessed and fulfilled her God given duty.

I recall Her being asked and consenting, but not being given the command of a duty...

does this mean she was sinless?

Was Eve, the First Woman, Gune, sinless prior to eating the forbidden fruit?

Did Eve have God Living in Her Womb for 9 months?

How much sin do you think you will find in the Woman Mary who did?

can understand why God picked a virgin and made such a miraculous birth for Christ,

I cannot begin to understand it... I can only receive it in the Faith of Christ and struggle to abide...

His resurrection was miraculous too,

Utterly and ineffably...

you would think after giving birth to the Son of God you would just remain a virgin,

It is built in to her query of the Angel Gabriel that she had committed herself to virginity from the beginnings...

I dunno but it matters not one tiny bit

I makes ALL the difference, because by having done what she did, consenting to the conceiving of God in Her virgin womb, She became the Mother of God in the flesh...

And by this we, who are the many BRETHREN of Christ in the Household of God on earth, and members of His Holy Body, gain Her as OUR Mother together with Christ...

Just as fallen Eve is our Mother in fallen flesh, so too is Mary our Mother in Christ -

And by this, She is the Mother of our Salvation and the Ekklesia, which IS Christ's Holy Body...

Her life teaches without words that purity is the condition for Christ being perfected in us...

And no one perfected Christ's incarnation in themselves in the flesh...

In this she is without peer, and the Angels themselves glorify her...

because she accepted Christ as her Savior in the end and that's all that matters.

She did WAY more than that...

Nothing wrong with adoration towards Mary, I myself see her as a remarkable woman and God is well pleased with her.

Well, that is a good, if scanty minimalist, beginning!

All are required to die once, all fall short, all are saved in Christ only as there is no other way to the Father but by him, Mary is not an exception IMHO

Sinlessness is not Salvation...

God's Life as our Life IS Salvation - That is why it is a Gift that cannot be earned... That ONLY God CAN Give...

Christ was born in the sinless death that Mary gave to Him, and His Life on earth overcame the world and destroyed in Christ's Body that inherited death by His Holy Death on the Cross...


Arsenios

 

[Arsenios]

Why would I call her "Blessed Menno?"

You will have to ask yourself that question...

Do you call her Blessed?


Arsenios

 

[MennoSota]

You will have to ask yourself that question...

Do you call her Blessed?


Arsenios

I say that she was redeemed and atoned for by the shed blood of Jesus. Because God saved her by grace, she, like all Christians, is blessed.
You may now refer to all of us, who are redeemed, as "blessed."

 

[Albion]

IMO, you are straining to make a point with this one that cannot be made. While we may say that all Christians have been blessed by God, not everyone was specifically chosen by God to give birth to the Savior.

 

[MoreCoffee]

Do you NOT call Her Blessed, Menno?

I mean, really??


Arsenios

It is odd how quickly the words of holy scripture are forgotten by MennoSota.

Mary is called Blessed because God calls he Blessed.

It is part of the "Song of Mary" known as the Magnificat; which is in the Gospel according to saint Luke.

Luke 1:46-55 And Mary said,
"My soul magnifies the Lord,
[SUP]47[/SUP] and my spirit rejoices in God my Savior,
[SUP]48[/SUP] for he has looked on the humble estate of his servant. For behold, from now on all generations will call me blessed;
[SUP]49[/SUP] for he who is mighty has done great things for me, and holy is his name.
[SUP]50[/SUP] And his mercy is for those who fear him from generation to generation.
[SUP]51[/SUP] He has shown strength with his arm; he has scattered the proud in the thoughts of their hearts;
[SUP]52[/SUP] he has brought down the mighty from their thrones and exalted those of humble estate;
[SUP]53[/SUP] he has filled the hungry with good things, and the rich he has sent away empty.
[SUP]54[/SUP] He has helped his servant Israel, in remembrance of his mercy,
[SUP]55[/SUP] as he spoke to our fathers, to Abraham and to his offspring forever."

 

[Arsenios]

I say that she was redeemed and atoned for by the shed blood of Jesus. Because God saved her by grace, she, like all Christians, is blessed.
You may now refer to all of us, who are redeemed, as "blessed."

Does Scripture call anyone else Blessed?

Does Scripture command YOU to call HER blessed?


Arsenios

 

[MennoSota]

Does Scripture call anyone else Blessed?

Does Scripture command YOU to call HER blessed?


Arsenios

Please share where I am commanded to call Mary, the mum of Jesus, blessed.
Certainly God blessed Mary and redeemed her. I acknowledge this. But where are we commanded to give her the title "Blessed Mary?"
It's funny regarding the things you take literally, while ignoring other things that should be taken literally.

 

[MoreCoffee]

Please share where I am commanded to call Mary, the mum of Jesus, blessed.

Luke 1:46-55 And Mary said,
"My soul magnifies the Lord,
[SUP]47[/SUP] and my spirit rejoices in God my Savior,
[SUP]48[/SUP] for he has looked on the humble estate of his servant. For behold, from now on all generations will call me blessed;
[SUP]49[/SUP] for he who is mighty has done great things for me, and holy is his name.
[SUP]50[/SUP] And his mercy is for those who fear him from generation to generation.
[SUP]51[/SUP] He has shown strength with his arm; he has scattered the proud in the thoughts of their hearts;
[SUP]52[/SUP] he has brought down the mighty from their thrones and exalted those of humble estate;
[SUP]53[/SUP] he has filled the hungry with good things, and the rich he has sent away empty.
[SUP]54[/SUP] He has helped his servant Israel, in remembrance of his mercy,
[SUP]55[/SUP] as he spoke to our fathers, to Abraham and to his offspring forever."

Certainly God blessed Mary and redeemed her. I acknowledge this. But where are we commanded to give her the title "Blessed Mary?"
It's funny regarding the things you take literally, while ignoring other things that should be taken literally.

 

[MennoSota]

Luke 1:46-55 And Mary said,
"My soul magnifies the Lord,
[SUP]47[/SUP] and my spirit rejoices in God my Savior,
[SUP]48[/SUP] for he has looked on the humble estate of his servant. For behold, from now on all generations will call me blessed;
[SUP]49[/SUP] for he who is mighty has done great things for me, and holy is his name.
[SUP]50[/SUP] And his mercy is for those who fear him from generation to generation.
[SUP]51[/SUP] He has shown strength with his arm; he has scattered the proud in the thoughts of their hearts;
[SUP]52[/SUP] he has brought down the mighty from their thrones and exalted those of humble estate;
[SUP]53[/SUP] he has filled the hungry with good things, and the rich he has sent away empty.
[SUP]54[/SUP] He has helped his servant Israel, in remembrance of his mercy,
[SUP]55[/SUP] as he spoke to our fathers, to Abraham and to his offspring forever."

LOL, do you imagine she was talking about a title, like "Mr President?"

God chose to become man and dwell amongst us. God chose Mary as the vessel by which He would arrive as a man.
God certainly bestowed a blessing upon Mary. God did not command us to title her "Blessed Mary."
What other quackery does your denomination teach, MC?

 

[Arsenios]

Please share where I am commanded to call Mary, the mum of Jesus, blessed.

Certainly God blessed Mary and redeemed her. I acknowledge this.
But where are we commanded to give her the title "Blessed Mary?"
It's funny regarding the things you take literally,
while ignoring other things that should be taken literally.

Well, there is the small matter of Luke 1:48...

Prophesy through Mary by the Holy Spirit, yes?

And she says: "For behold, from now on all generations will call me blessed;"

So to ALL which generations was God referring, Menno?

A: The Hindu generations?
B: The Lakota Tribe of North America generations?
C: To all the generations of Christians?

I can C you selected see...

So IF you are a Christian...
And IF the Holy Spirit is not lying...
THEN you WILL call her Blessed...

Boo-Boo...

And IF you do not call the Blessed Virgin Blessed...
And IF the Holy Spirit was not lying...
THEN you are not in the Generation that is Christian...

Your call...


Arsenios

 

[MennoSota]

Well, there is the small matter of Luke 1:48...

Prophesy through Mary by the Holy Spirit, yes?

And she says: "For behold, from now on all generations will call me blessed;"

So to ALL which generations was God referring, Menno?

A: The Hindu generations?
B: The Lakota Tribe of North America generations?
C: To all the generations of Christians?

I can C you selected see...

So IF you are a Christian...
And IF the Holy Spirit is not lying...
THEN you WILL call her Blessed...

Boo-Boo...


Arsenios

Again, it is funny to see you imagining she thought her title should be "Blessed Mary."
Do you think Queen Mary commissioned the title "Bloody Mary?"

 

[Arsenios]

LOL, do you imagine she was talking about a title, like "Mr President?"

So do you call Blessed Mary the Blessed Virgin?
Or have you excluded yourself from the generations of Christians...


Arsenios

 

[Arsenios]

Again, it is funny to see you imagining she thought her title should be "Blessed Mary."
Do you think Queen Mary commissioned the title "Bloody Mary?"

YES or NO Menno?
Do YOU call the Blessed Virgin Mother of our Lord Blessed?


Arsenios

 

[MennoSota]

So do you call Blessed Mary the Blessed Virgin?
Or have you excluded yourself from the generations of Christians...


Arsenios

I call her Mary, the mother of Jesus, which is exactly what she was.
I'm not of the silly traditions to which you and MC chain yourself.

 

[Arsenios]

I call her Mary, the mother of Jesus, which is exactly what she was.
I'm not of the silly traditions to which you and MC chain yourself.

So do you refuse to call her Blessed?

Gosh, Menno - I thought you were a Bible Believing Christian...

Do you not believe the Bible?


Arsenios