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[atpollard]

Well you just don't accept the scriptures.

That characterization is a bit inaccurate.
It gets thrown around a lot around here (I mean in general and not by you) and is very seldom true.
Almost everyone here “accepts the scriptures” and almost everyone here disagrees on some details of what those scriptures mean.
People who disagree with MY interpretation of scripture are probably WRONG, but they have not “rejected” Scripture. They have just read it and reached a different conclusion.

 

[zecryphon_nomdiv]

I think you are siding with the wrong poster.

I am the one who says Judas repented.

Arsenios said he did not.

I think you should read more posts in this thread.

Then explain which part of his story is fiction.

 

[YourTruthGod]

Then explain which part of his story is fiction.

Just read the previous posts he and I made to each other.

I said that Judas repented and I gave scripture that he did.

Arsenios said he did not, and that if he would have went to the apostles and asked for forgiveness then he would have been forgiven.

I told him that Jesus said, before Judas did what he did, it would be better that he had never been born.

So do you think that Judas hearing that would think he could be forgiven?

 

[YourTruthGod]

That characterization is a bit inaccurate.
It gets thrown around a lot around here (I mean in general and not by you) and is very seldom true.
Almost everyone here “accepts the scriptures” and almost everyone here disagrees on some details of what those scriptures mean.
People who disagree with MY interpretation of scripture are probably WRONG, but they have not “rejected” Scripture. They have just read it and reached a different conclusion.

Well, thanks for being kind about it. However, there is nothing to interpret. Just read and believe it and obey.

 

[zecryphon_nomdiv]

Just read the previous posts he and I made to each other.

I said that Judas repented and I gave scripture that he did.

Arsenios said he did not, and that if he would have went to the apostles and asked for forgiveness then he would have been forgiven.

I told him that Jesus said, before Judas did what he did, it would be better that he had never been born.

So do you think that Judas hearing that would think he could be forgiven?

Matthew 10:14-15 {NASB95}

14 “Whoever does not receive you, nor heed your words, as you go out of that house or that city, shake the dust off your feet.
15 “Truly I say to you, it will be more tolerable for the land of Sodom and Gomorrah in the day of judgment than for that city.

 

[atpollard]

Well, thanks for being kind about it. However, there is nothing to interpret. Just read and believe it and obey.

[Mat 5:28 NASB] 28 but I say to you that everyone who looks at a woman with lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart.

[Mat 18:9 NASB] 9 "If your eye causes you to stumble, pluck it out and throw it from you. It is better for you to enter life with one eye, than to have two eyes and be cast into the fiery hell.

[Luk 14:26 NASB] 26 "If anyone comes to Me, and does not hate his own father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters, yes, and even his own life, he cannot be My disciple.

[1Co 15:31 NASB] 31 I affirm, brethren, by the boasting in you which I have in Christ Jesus our Lord, I die daily.

[Rom 3:10-12 NASB] 10 as it is written, "THERE IS NONE RIGHTEOUS, NOT EVEN ONE; 11 THERE IS NONE WHO UNDERSTANDS, THERE IS NONE WHO SEEKS FOR GOD; 12 ALL HAVE TURNED ASIDE, TOGETHER THEY HAVE BECOME USELESS; THERE IS NONE WHO DOES GOOD, THERE IS NOT EVEN ONE."

... Go ahead. Don’t interpret, just read and believe it and obey.

 

[YourTruthGod]

[Mat 5:28 NASB] 28 but I say to you that everyone who looks at a woman with lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart.

[Mat 18:9 NASB] 9 "If your eye causes you to stumble, pluck it out and throw it from you. It is better for you to enter life with one eye, than to have two eyes and be cast into the fiery hell.

[Luk 14:26 NASB] 26 "If anyone comes to Me, and does not hate his own father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters, yes, and even his own life, he cannot be My disciple.

[1Co 15:31 NASB] 31 I affirm, brethren, by the boasting in you which I have in Christ Jesus our Lord, I die daily.

[Rom 3:10-12 NASB] 10 as it is written, "THERE IS NONE RIGHTEOUS, NOT EVEN ONE; 11 THERE IS NONE WHO UNDERSTANDS, THERE IS NONE WHO SEEKS FOR GOD; 12 ALL HAVE TURNED ASIDE, TOGETHER THEY HAVE BECOME USELESS; THERE IS NONE WHO DOES GOOD, THERE IS NOT EVEN ONE."

... Go ahead. Don’t interpret, just read and believe it and obey.

Oh I did and I do.

 

[YourTruthGod]

Matthew 10:14-15 {NASB95}

14 “Whoever does not receive you, nor heed your words, as you go out of that house or that city, shake the dust off your feet.
15 “Truly I say to you, it will be more tolerable for the land of Sodom and Gomorrah in the day of judgment than for that city.

What is your point you are trying to make?

 

[Andrew]

What is your point you are trying to make?

The bible tells us to walk away from pointless debates with reprobates

 

[YourTruthGod]

The bible tells us to walk away from pointless debates with reprobates

I am trying to be patient with you.

 

[zecryphon_nomdiv]

^^^

 

[Arsenios]

Well, I think we can conclude that Judas did not repent well...
He decided he did not want the money because innocent blood was spilled for it...
The Jews did not care...
He threw the money at their feet...
Turned and walked out...
And hanged himself...

NOBODY calls that repentance...

I mean, if bitterly throwing money at people...
And hanging yourself is repentance,
Christianity would win the Darwin Awards!!

Now Christ did say it would have been better for him not to have been born...
But He knew Judas would not do Christian repentance...
That is why I put out the big IF...

What IF Judas had done real Christian repentance?
Would he have been forgiven?
David wrote a Psalm of someone close to him who betrayed him...
Those are hard things to discern...
And Christ knew all along...
Is that kind of criminal betrayal forgivable?
We execute spies without trial...


Arsenios

 

[YourTruthGod]

Well, I think we can conclude that Judas did not repent well...
He decided he did not want the money because innocent blood was spilled for it...
The Jews did not care...
He threw the money at their feet...

The Bible says he repented.
When he gave back the money that is repenting.

Turned and walked out...
And hanged himself...

NOBODY calls that repentance...

The Bible calls it repenting and many people call that repenting.

I mean, if bitterly throwing money at people...
And hanging yourself is repentance,
Christianity would win the Darwin Awards!!

Now Christ did say it would have been better for him not to have been born...
But He knew Judas would not do Christian repentance...
That is why I put out the big IF...

Stop making up stuff. Jesus told Judas it would be better to have never been born.
Does that sound like he thought he could be forgiven?

 

[Arsenios]

His story is not fiction. Judas did try and return the money he was paid to betray Jesus. Read Matthew 27:1-10 (NASB95)

Matthew 27

Judas’s Remorse

1Now when morning came, all the chief priests and the elders of the people conferred together against Jesus to put Him to death;
2and they bound Him, and led Him away and delivered Him to Pilate the governor.
3Then when Judas, who had betrayed Him, saw that He had been condemned, he felt remorse and returned the thirty pieces of silver to the chief priests and elders,
4saying, “I have sinned by betraying innocent blood.” But they said, “What is that to us? See to that yourself!”
5And he threw the pieces of silver into the temple sanctuary and departed; and he went away and hanged himself.
6The chief priests took the pieces of silver and said, “It is not lawful to put them into the temple treasury, since it is the price of blood.”
7And they conferred together and with the money bought the Potter’s Field as a burial place for strangers.
8For this reason that field has been called the Field of Blood to this day.
9Then that which was spoken through Jeremiah the prophet was fulfilled: “And they took the thirty pieces of silver, the price of the one whose price had been set by the sons of Israel;
10and they gave them for the Potter’s Field, as the Lord directed me.”

OK - So if I commit a sin and want to repent, I return the reward of the sin I committed and then hang myself, right??? ??? ???

THAT, you see, is NOT repentance...


Arsenios

 

[Arsenios]

Jesus told Judas it would be better to have never been born.
Does that sound like he thought he could be forgiven?

Christ knew his repentance would be just as false as his keeping of the money box...

I mean, it is a big "What IF...", granted...

But in a very practical way, if we embrace repentance...

We should NOT imitate the repentance of Judas...


Arsenios

 

[YourTruthGod]

Christ knew his repentance would be just as false as his keeping of the money box...

I mean, it is a big "What IF...", granted...

But in a very practical way, if we embrace repentance...

We should NOT imitate the repentance of Judas...


Arsenios

I go by what Jesus said to him before he betrayed Jesus. And, I go by the scripture that show Judas felt bad about it and repented.

 

[YourTruthGod]

OK - So if I commit a sin and want to repent, I return the reward of the sin I committed and then hang myself, right??? ??? ???

THAT, you see, is NOT repentance...


Arsenios

The scriptures plainly say that Judas regretted what he did. Jesus said it would be better he had never been born.

 

[YourTruthGod]

OK - So if I commit a sin and want to repent, I return the reward of the sin I committed and then hang myself, right??? ??? ???

THAT, you see, is NOT repentance...


Arsenios

I am not sure why you are talking to zecryphon_nomdiv. He can't even figure out that you are the one who said Judas didn't repent, even after I explained it.

 

[MoreCoffee]

Did Judas Iscariot repent? He killed himself and that expresses despair and regret is likely part of it but did he turn away from his sins and towards God because that is what repentance means. Did Judas do that?

 

[YourTruthGod]

Did Judas Iscariot repent? He killed himself and that expresses despair and regret is likely part of it but did he turn away from his sins and towards God because that is what repentance means. Did Judas do that?

Judas repented and did to himself what the old law required of those who shed innocent blood.