PERFECT LOVE

[Andrew]

We think of it as the acquisition of the Holy Spirit...

It comes in proportion to our ability to hold it...

We are very leaky vessels, you know!



Being convicted is a start...



Let me know when you get there!

I have a long way to go...


Arsenios

Conviction of the heart when you slip up is a blessing and a gift so that you don't continue in that sin. As a child we have adults that shame us so we feel bad when we mess up, as a Christian we have our Father in Heaven to convict us when we "miss the mark" and calls us to repentance.
Yes we all have a loooong ways to go as we all fall short to Gods glory

 

[Arsenios]

If I do sin, then I repent of it.
I just don't live a sinful life as I did before I was saved.
I don't see myself as a sinner in Christ.
The Bible says saints in Christ.

Indeed, a Saint is always in repentance from sin,

And only sinners need repentance...

Hence Paul writes that he regards himself as a chief of sinners...

He never forgot his responsibility for the stoning of the Holy Proto-Martyr Stephen...

Nor should we forget our former lives while still alive...

Maturity in Christ is the condition of the Saint who has taken every thought captive...

For these, "To live: Christ! To die: Gain!"

They can disciple what they have attained from Christ...

I don't like being constantly accused of sin by other people.

It is a kind of a pain in the dairy hare!

That wascally wabbit!

That barnyard bunny!

Pain, I say!


Arsenios

 

[YourTruthGod]

I never accused you, I don't even know you but if I did I wouldn't tell you "hey you just sinned" that's moronic, you know right from wrong I can't charge you with sin.

You said I am a liar if I say I am not sinning.

 

[YourTruthGod]

Indeed, a Saint is always in repentance from sin,

And only sinners need repentance...

We are not sinners in Christ.

Hence Paul writes that he regards himself as a chief of sinners...

No way did Paul regard himself as still doing the things that qualified him as that.

He never forgot his responsibility for the stoning of the Holy Proto-Martyr Stephen...

Nor should we forget our former lives while still alive...

That is not what Paul teaches. Paul says TO FORGET.

Philippians 3:13 Brothers and sisters, I do not consider myself yet to have taken hold of it. But one thing I do: Forgetting what is behind and straining toward what is ahead, 14 I press on toward the goal to win the prize of God’s heavenly calling in Christ Jesus.

Read what Peter says:

2 Peter 1:9 But whoever does not have them is nearsighted and blind, forgetting that they have been cleansed from their past sins.

 

[Andrew]

You said I am a liar if I say I am not sinning.

Wrong, I said "if you say that you no longer sin you are a liar" I never said that you are sinning and that you are a liar.
Seeing that you still repent I assume you repent from a sin you committed, im not asking for a confession I'm just stating that "if you say that you no longer sin you are a liar" because that's what John said so stop putting words in my mouth, keep your boasting to yourself since you accuse me of accusing you of being unrighteous.

 

[YourTruthGod]

Indeed, a Saint is always in repentance from sin,

And only sinners need repentance...

Hence Paul writes that he regards himself as a chief of sinners...

He never forgot his responsibility for the stoning of the Holy Proto-Martyr Stephen...

Nor should we forget our former lives while still alive...

Maturity in Christ is the condition of the Saint who has taken every thought captive...

For these, "To live: Christ! To die: Gain!"

They can disciple what they have attained from Christ...



It is a kind of a pain in the dairy hare!

That wascally wabbit!

That barnyard bunny!

Pain, I say!


Arsenios

I am a new creation in Christ. There is no way I am going to go against what the scriptures say and preach to others not to forget what they were before being saved.

11Since, then, we know what it is to fear the Lord, we try to persuade others. What we are is plain to God, and I hope it is also plain to your conscience. 12We are not trying to commend ourselves to you again, but are giving you an opportunity to take pride in us, so that you can answer those who take pride in what is seen rather than in what is in the heart. 13If we are “out of our mind,” as some say, it is for God; if we are in our right mind, it is for you. 14For Christ’s love compels us, because we are convinced that one died for all, and therefore all died. 15And he died for all, that those who live should no longer live for themselves but for him who died for them and was raised again.

2 Corinthians 5:16 So from now on we regard no one from a worldly point of view. Though we once regarded Christ in this way, we do so no longer. 17 Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, the new creation has come: a The old has gone, the new is here! 18 All this is from God, who reconciled us to himself through Christ and gave us the ministry of reconciliation: 19 that God was reconciling the world to himself in Christ, not counting people’s sins against them. And he has committed to us the message of reconciliation.

 

[YourTruthGod]

Wrong, I said "if you say that you no longer sin you are a liar" I never said that you are sinning and that you are a liar.
Seeing that you still repent I assume you repent from a sin you committed, im not asking for a confession I'm just stating that "if you say that you no longer sin you are a liar" because that's what John said so stop putting words in my mouth, keep your boasting to yourself since you accuse me of accusing you of being unrighteous.

John was talking about HOW TO BE SAVED, he was NOT SAYING a person is a liar if they say they aren't sinning.

You are turning really angry at me and I don't deserve it.

 

[MennoSota]

A repenting thief is common grace? I don't see all men repenting of sins, could you elaborate a bit more on these terms?

If you are referring to the thief on the cross, the repentance is a response to God's saving grace. God's forgiveness of the repentant Christian happens because God promised that He would forgive us.
When God keeps us healthy or heals us of some ailment, that is common grace. God is not obligated to heal, but He does anyway.

 

[Andrew]

John was talking about HOW TO BE SAVED, he was NOT SAYING a person is a liar if they say they don't sin anymore.

You are turning really angry at me and I don't deserve it.

All of the Apostles must discuss salvation that's what they did, but they also teach how to stay humble and not self righteous, and yes I got upset for you implying that I am satan over and over again when referring to me as an "accuser of the brethren".
IF you sin you are not a liar, IF you deny that you ever sin you might just be the next pope
Deny yourself and take up your cross and follow Christ, salvation is through Faith in Christ through Grace and not of your own works...

 

[Andrew]

If you are referring to the thief on the cross, the repentance is a response to God's saving grace. God's forgiveness of the repentant Christian happens because God promised that He would forgive us.
When God keeps us healthy or heals us of some ailment, that is common grace. God is not obligated to heal, but He does anyway.

Thanks for the clarity Menno, that makes sense now

 

[MennoSota]

Warm sunshine is common grace...
So too is the gentle rain...

Divine intervention into one's sinful life by God's Call to repentance IS Saving Grace...

Everything depends on how we respond to it...

I have seem people fight it off and return to their ongoing criminal lives...

They become "spiritual" criminals...

But there is nothing "common" about the Grace of God...


Arsenios

Being made alive with Christ by God's Sovereign will is saving grace. Repentance is a direct effect of the cause, which is God's gracious salvation.
Again, you throw grace out, Arsenios, and demand the human work of repentance as the magic cause of salvation. You make Jesus death of no value. For you...all that is needed is human repentance. It determines your salvation at all times. Any failure on your part to repent results in your utter damnation. Such a works and legalistic message is not grace and not the gospel.

 

[YourTruthGod]

All of the Apostles must discuss salvation that's what they did, but they also teach how to stay humble and not self righteous, and yes I got upset for you implying that I am satan over and over again when referring to me as an "accuser of the brethren".

I did not imply you were Satan. However, we are not to do Satan's job for him. He does get people to do that, you know?

When I was saved and forgiven, the last thing I want to hear from others is how I know I am a sinner and not to forget what I was like before.

The Bible says not to do that.

Try not doing it, you will see it is good.

IF you sin you are not a liar,

I am not going to say I am a sinner when I'm not a sinner in Christ.
If I sin then I repent of it.
However, I am no baby Christian and not living like a sinner as always.

IF you deny that you ever sin you might just be the next pope

That is not what the Bible says.
The Bible says someone who stopped sinning suffered.
Stop sinning doesn't mean it can never ever happen again. However, when you repent it is gone. I am not a sinner in Christ and I don't disobey God by remembering everything as if I haven't been sanctified.

Deny yourself and take up your cross and follow Christ, salvation is through Faith in Christ through Grace and not of your own works...

Not of your works is about the purification works the people used to have to do to wash themselves to be a child of God.
Paul is in no way saying we are saved by faith without obedience.

 

[YourTruthGod]

Maybe I should just post in the debate section and not share my beliefs in any Christian thread?

 

[Andrew]

I did not imply you were Satan. However, we are not to do Satan's job for him. He does get people to do that, you know?

When I was saved and forgiven, the last thing I want to hear from others is how I know I am a sinner and not to forget what I was like before.

The Bible says not to do that.

Try not doing it, you will see it is good.


I am not going to say I am a sinner when I'm not a sinner in Christ.
If I sin then I repent of it.
However, I am no baby Christian and not living like a sinner as always.

That is not what the Bible says.
The Bible says someone who stopped sinning suffered.
Stop sinning doesn't mean it can never ever happen again. However, when you repent it is gone. I am not a sinner in Christ and I don't disobey God by remembering everything as if I haven't been sanctified.

Not of your works is about the purification works the people used to have to do to wash themselves to be a child of God.
Paul is in no way saying we are saved by faith without obedience.

You tell those people who are digging into your past your testimony, tell them that the man before is long dead and gone and you have been reborn of the Spirit of God.

Good faith is obedience, disobedient faith is no faith at all.

"Whosoever cometh to me, and heareth my sayings, and doeth them, I will shew you to whom he is like: He is like a man which built an house, and digged deep, and laid the foundation on a rock: and when the flood arose, the stream beat vehemently upon that house, and could not shake it: for it was founded upon a rock. But he that heareth, and doeth not, is like a man that without a foundation built an house upon the earth; against which the stream did beat vehemently, and immediately it fell; and the ruin of that house was great."
Luke 6:47-49

 

[YourTruthGod]

You tell those people who are digging into your past your testimony, tell them that the man before is long dead and gone and you have been reborn of the Spirit of God.

Good faith is obedience, disobedient faith is no faith at all.

"Whosoever cometh to me, and heareth my sayings, and doeth them, I will shew you to whom he is like: He is like a man which built an house, and digged deep, and laid the foundation on a rock: and when the flood arose, the stream beat vehemently upon that house, and could not shake it: for it was founded upon a rock. But he that heareth, and doeth not, is like a man that without a foundation built an house upon the earth; against which the stream did beat vehemently, and immediately it fell; and the ruin of that house was great."
Luke 6:47-49

You are the one who said I was still a sinner.
I am going to go in the debate section only for now on.
I hope you will discuss with me there.

 

[psalms 91]

We are all sinners what does 1 John tell us? We sin daily and if a man says he has no sin then he is a liar.

 

[RichWh1]

Unless of course they want to be known as a Calvinist. There are many from the reformed group that are proud of it.

Labels still can confuse the issue so it's best to not use them, just deal with doctrine.




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[Andrew]

You are the one who said I was still a sinner.
I am going to go in the debate section only for now on.
I hope you will discuss with me there.

This is a debate forum, we can debate here. Not sure what you want to debate, whether or not you are a sinner? That's silly, do Christians sin? Yes it's why they repent

 

[YourTruthGod]

We are all sinners what does 1 John tell us? We sin daily and if a man says he has no sin then he is a liar.

Please show the scripture that says we sin daily. Thanks.

As for John 1, he was speaking about how they were never saved if they didn't admit to any sins.

We have to repent of sins to be saved and if you don't believe you ever sinned then you did not repent.

 

[YourTruthGod]

Labels still can confuse the issue so it's best to not use them, just deal with doctrine.




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Many doctrines come from false teachers. That is just the way it is. However, I can easily just speak about what the Bible says. I actually prefer it.
Usually though, Catholics want to speak about their doctrines from their popes, and the reformed want to speak about what they learned from Luther and Calvin.