Election

[popsthebuilder]

Sometimes they positively glitter...

Sometimes they glow...

God is Light, and in Him is no darkness at all...

Arsenios

Thank you.

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[Albion]

I have no idea what you are trying to explain.
Could you possibly be more specific.

See my posts 23 an 48. That's it in about as succinct way of explaining it as is possible.

 

[popsthebuilder]

2 Corinthians 5 tells you the reason. God’s elect are his ambassadors, sharing God's reconciliation. The elect are the legacy and great cloud of witnesses in Hebrews 12:1.
Do you have a verse that tells us the elect reflect the attributes of God? Please share it if you have it.

(I like it very much when the work of another sheds light on the matter. Thank you.... Read over the following without preconceived bias or offence. You answered your own question as you often do. )

2 Corinthians 5: 17. So that if any one is in Christ, he is a new creature: the old state of things has passed away; a new state of things has come into existence. 18. And all this is from God, who has reconciled us to Himself through Christ, and has appointed us to serve in the ministry of reconciliation. 19. We are to tell how God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself, not charging men's transgressions to their account, and that He has entrusted to us the Message of this reconciliation. 20. On Christ's behalf therefore we come as ambassadors, God, as it were, making entreaty through our lips: we, on Christ's behalf, beseech men to be reconciled to God. 21. He has made Him who knew nothing of sin to be sin for us, in order that in Him we may become the righteousness of God.


Hebrews 12: 10. It is true that they disciplined us for a few years according as they thought fit; but He does it for our certain good, in order that we may become sharers in His own holy character.

(Is that not reflecting the attributes of GOD?)

11. Now, at the time, discipline seems to be a matter not for joy, but for grief; yet it afterwards yields to those who have passed through its training a result full of peace--namely, righteousness.

(Only ONE is righteous; as such, all else which exhudes or displays actual righteousness must be the image made by/ if GOD, or reflection of HIS attributes/ will)

12. Therefore strengthen the drooping hands and paralysed knees, 13. and make straight paths for your feet, so that what is lame may not be put entirely out of joint 14. but may rather be restored. Persistently strive for peace with

all men

, and for that growth in holiness apart from which no one will see the Lord.


(Do you not see connotations of the body of Christ in the above?)

15. Be carefully on your guard lest there be

any one

who falls back from the grace of God; lest any root bearing bitter fruit spring up and cause trouble among you, and through it the whole brotherhood be defiled; 16. lest there be a fornicator, or an ungodly person like Esau, who, in return for a single meal, parted with the birthright which belonged to him. 22. On the contrary you have come to Mount Zion, and to the city of the ever-living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, to countless hosts of angels, 23. to the great festal gathering and Church of the first-born, whose names are recorded in Heaven, and to a Judge who is God of all, and to the spirits of righteous men made perfect, 24. and to Jesus the negotiator of a new Covenant, and to the sprinkled blood which speaks in more gracious tones than that of Abel. 25. Be careful not to refuse to listen to Him who is speaking to you. For if they of old did not escape unpunished when they refused to listen to him who spoke on earth, much less shall we escape who turn a deaf ear to Him who now speaks from Heaven. 26. His voice then shook the earth, but now we have His promise, <"Yet again I will, once for all, cause not only the earth to tremble, but Heaven also."> 27. Here the words "Yet again, once for all" denote the removal of the things which can be shaken--created things--in order that the things which cannot be shaken may remain. 28. Therefore, receiving, as we now do, a kingdom which cannot be shaken, let us cherish thankfulness so that we may ever offer to God an acceptable service, with godly reverence and awe. 29. For our God is also a consuming fire.


(Burning away impurities/ forging gold)

Hebrews 13: 20. Now may God who gives peace, and brought Jesus, our Lord, up again from among the dead--even Him who, by virtue of the blood of the eternal Covenant, is the great Shepherd of the sheep-- 21. fully equip you with every grace that you may need for the doing of His will, producing in us that which will truly please Him through Jesus Christ. To Him be the glory to the Ages of the Ages! Amen.

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[pinacled]

LOL, you sound like a pagan howling at the full moon.

Here you are insulting others as per usual.
If only you were a child. Then perhaps you would have maintained a respect for those who share in the Spirit of knowledge.
The sun and moon are witnesses to the ordinances of heaven.
As for a cloud by day.
You are furthest from a cloud of witness,.
You were given fair warning about your manners.

For those who live in the western hemisphere. Step outside and you can observe both sun and moon together in the sky..

 

[pinacled]

I don't understand the reference to holy days, would you explain please?

The ordinances of heaven?
Holy Days?

Easter and Pentecost are specific days counted specifically.

Why is it that passover, and Easter never coincide the same day.
And likewise Pentecost and shavout never coincide.

Passover is always to be observer on a full moon. Nisan 14.
Easter is is a convoluted mess I won't even attempt to explain in writting.

Either way,
Passover on a full moon.
Then there are to be ten days set aside before counting the omer. 7 are specific.
The other three are not. And i will not go into details which have been ignored also.

Add goodness to knowledge and the elect will be seen.

I cannot specifically give a pearl over the internet.

 

[Arsenios]

Here you are insulting others as per usual.
If only you were a child.

IF ONLY!!

Children are subject to the discipline of the parents...

Adults can act like children without such a benefit...

Arsenios

 

[MoreCoffee]

The ordinances of heaven?
Holy Days?

Easter and Pentecost are specific days counted specifically.

Why is it that passover, and Easter never coincide the same day.
And likewise Pentecost and shavout never coincide.

Passover is always to be observer on a full moon. Nisan 14.
Easter is is a convoluted mess I won't even attempt to explain in writting.

Pasch (Easter) is easy to explain. It falls on the first Sunday on or after the full moon that either falls on or after the equinox of 21st March. that just 22 or 23 short words in English, less in Latin. Not complicated at all.

Either way,
Passover on a full moon.
Then there are to be ten days set aside before counting the omer. 7 are specific.
The other three are not. And i will not go into details which have been ignored also.

Add goodness to knowledge and the elect will be seen.

I cannot specifically give a pearl over the internet.

 

[pinacled]

Pasch (Easter) is easy to explain. It falls on the first Sunday on or after the full moon that either falls on or after the equinox of 21st March. that just 22 or 23 short words in English, less in Latin. Not complicated at all.

Wine skins.
That is for only the children, not the dogs.
The Royal Law is to be respected not trampled upon.
Each generation is accounted.
If you haven't leaned on the Lord in the Spirit of Understanding why answer about things you haven't been offerred?
Orphans will be brought up well to know about stars, skins, and the Tabernacle in whole. All ordinances of knowledge a child is to seek with goodness. " Sweet water.
Imagine if a cloud of witness were to observe the sun and moon sharing the same sky.
Would one be lesser or greater than the other?

No,
Because they speak without speaking.
In due season each member of the Body serves the Glory of the heavens written on the heart with 7 stars.

The 11 skins plus 11skins are the laying of hands.
10 and 10 with the sun and moon as witness in season sharing a single sky.

The lesser light being levi, and greater light being yhdh.
And when the time comes there will be no need of either to light the Kingdom.


already shared the 3s and 4s.
Three days before the full moon of sukahs.
The Lord will touch upon each cherub horn cleansing the throne room.
Do you remember the 4 faces?
The cherubim known as keresh has a single horn.
And if you stay to long at the brazen alter your eyes will forget that 7 days are enough.

Do not stay there.

The procession of time is to cleanse a person before entering.


Yecheskel spoke of 4 keresh.
And Yeshua reveals one.
This is the level beyond the sod of prds..


The Royal Law being trampled upon is no small matter.

 

[pinacled]

No one was blameless in calling Savuot Shalom before it was time.
The ones who did.
Will have no excuse for trampling the Royal Torah Lord Yeshua offered and gave freely for everyone one to walk peacefully in.

 

[MennoSota]

Hmmm...it seems that a handful of people have no desire to address the topic of election. I suggest the other topics can go elsewhere.

 

[Arsenios]

Hmmm...it seems that a handful of people have no desire to address the topic of election.

Here is the definitive Word of God on Election:

Those whom God foreknew, these also He pre-selected (fore-ordained) ...

So that until you know God's foreknowledge of the pre-selected...

You have not even so much as met Abigail Schnartz...

And if you have not met Abigail Schnartz...

Then you don't know Schnartz!

Jes Sayin...

I mean, you cannot know for sure that even you yourself are one of the Elect...

I mean, HOW would you KNOW that??

Arsenios

 

[MoreCoffee]

Here is the definitive Word of God on Election:

Those whom God foreknew, these also He pre-selected (fore-ordained) ...

So that until you know God's foreknowledge of the pre-selected...

You have not even so much as met Abigail Schnartz...

And if you have not met Abigail Schnartz...

Then you don't know Schnartz!

Jes Sayin...

I mean, you cannot know for sure that even you yourself are one of the Elect...

I mean, HOW would you KNOW that??

Arsenios

I have never met a Calvinist who wasn't absolutely sure he/she is elect.

 

[MennoSota]

Here is the definitive Word of God on Election:

Those whom God foreknew, these also He pre-selected (fore-ordained) ...

So that until you know God's foreknowledge of the pre-selected...

You have not even so much as met Abigail Schnartz...

And if you have not met Abigail Schnartz...

Then you don't know Schnartz!

Jes Sayin...

I mean, you cannot know for sure that even you yourself are one of the Elect...

I mean, HOW would you KNOW that??

Arsenios

How did Paul know he was elect? Peter? Timothy? How did the people whom these men addressed know they were elect?
The answer lies in the gifts God gives when He makes a person alive in Christ.
God gives the gift of faith, which enables the elect to persevere. Faith does not doubt God's good work. Faith believes because faith is given by God and the Holy Spirit seals the one who has been given faith. This is not some mysterious thing, Arsenios.

 

[Albion]

Put another way, no one really knows with absolute certainty if he is one of the Elect...but Christ said to trust him, so a person who has accepted Christ and trusts him for his salvation can feel a certain assurance.

 

[MennoSota]

Put another way, no one really knows with absolute certainty if he is one of the Elect...but Christ said to trust him, so a person who has accepted Christ and trusts him for his salvation can feel a certain assurance.

...or...God knows exactly whom he has elected, so enjoy life and live in God's glorious and amazing grace.

 

[Arsenios]

God knows exactly whom he has elected,

And you do not...

so enjoy life and live in God's glorious and amazing grace.

Eat, drink and be merry...

OK - I get it now...

Thanks

Arsenios

 

[Arsenios]

How did Paul know he was elect?

I asked you how YOU know...

Peter?

I am asking YOU, not Peter...

Timothy?

I asked you how YOU know, not Timothy...

How did the people whom these men addressed know they were elect?

I asked you how YOU know...

The answer lies in the gifts God gives when He makes a person alive in Christ.

I asked you how YOU know...

God gives the gift of faith,

How do YOU know you have this faith when people who think they have it fall away?

which enables the elect to persevere.

So if anyone stops persevering, they are damned?

Faith does not doubt God's good work.

So if you ever have a doubt, you are headed to hell?

Faith believes because faith is given by God

So it is God-given faith that believes? Many think God has given them faith

and the Holy Spirit seals the one who has been given faith.

How do YOU know you have been sealed?

Can you be wrong in what you think you know?

This is not some mysterious thing, Arsenios.

Well it sure seems unverified by anyone except the one claiming these gifts...

Who else besides me and God...

And if no one, then where does the Bible say it is only me and God, and not the Ekklesia discipling and Baptizing...??

Arsenios

 

[MennoSota]

I asked you how YOU know...

Peter? Timothy?

I asked you how YOU know...



I asked you how YOU know...



I asked you how YOU know...



How do YOU know you have this faith when people who think they have it fall away?



So if anyone stops persevering, they are damned?



So if you ever have a doubt, you are headed to hell?



So it is God-given faith that believes? Many think God has given them faith



How do YOU know you have been sealed?

Can you be wrong in what you think you know?



Well it sure seems unverified by anyone except the one claiming these gifts...

Who else besides me and God...

And if no one, then where does the Bible say it is only me and God, and not the Ekklesia discipling and Baptizing...??

Arsenios

I explained. Perhaps there is a reason you are confused?
I live by the faith God has gifted to me. Since God is the one who elects, I rest in the blessed knowledge that God knows my position in Christ. I will live in the amazing joy that God is in complete and Sovereign control. It is a fools task to worry about things that are out of your control. Either God is true or not. I believe God is true and thus rest in my position. If that is somehow wrong, then it was meant to be. So goes the life of a Christian who can wholly trust God.

 

[MennoSota]

And you do not...



Eat, drink and be merry...

OK - I get it now...

Thanks

Arsenios

Absolutely! That's what God's faith does for you. You can absolutely trust your Father. He never lets you down. He always finds pleasure in Jesus and He sees me in Christ. It is wonderful, amazing grace, Arsenios. I make no apologies for trusting God wholly and resting fully in His goodness. The Christian life is a life of pure joy. It is a life of peace in the midst of the storm. As CH Spurgeon said, "I have learned to kiss the wave that tosses me onto the Rock of Ages."
John Piper wrote a classic book entitled "Desiring God" the life of a Christian hedonist. Read it. Pure joy is ours when we rest in the Sovereign hand of God.
Yes! Eat, Drink, Be Merry! For today and evermore, I am Redeemed, Reconciled and Alive in Christ!!! I am a child of the King!!! Abba Father!!!
It is so amazing, Arsenios! Oh how I wish you could experience such joy!!! Perhaps even today? Maybe? By God's good grace!
Join me, Arsenios. The water is fine!!! Praise God from whom ALL blessings flow!!!

 

[MoreCoffee]

Put another way, no one really knows with absolute certainty if he is one of the Elect...but Christ said to trust him, so a person who has accepted

"a person who has accepted", you say. How exactly does a "dead man" do that? I am sure that question would be asked by a monergist Calvinist.

Christ and trusts him for his salvation

Interesting.

can feel a certain assurance.

"a certain assurance" is that a certain kind of assurance or it is assurance that is certain? Or was that just a bit of verbiage that contradicts what you started saying; namely, "no one really knows with absolute certainty if he is one of the Elect"?