Church... A word of pagan origin -

[MoreCoffee]

Never on Sunday.
Jesus was never resurrected on Sunday.

He was resurrected on His day on His Father's Day.

He is a obedient son.

ARE WE?

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The holy scriptures report that the Lord Jesus Christ was risen near sunrise on the first day of the week (Matthew 28:1, Mark 16:2, Luke 24:1, John 20:1). The first day of the week in first century Jewish calendars is now called Sunday.

 

[amadeois]

[MENTION=60]MoreCoffee[/MENTION]

We told people to go read those other 3 threads and you'll see how you are totally INCORRECT.

Don't just throw verses, go and take a look at those threads and don't ask again where there are. Find the post.

Go read, then discuss things reasonably, please.

May God direct your mind to know the truth.

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[MoreCoffee]

[MENTION=252]amadeois[/MENTION]

Thanks for the commandments. I'll pass on re-reading the threads. Reading them once was enough.

John 20:1 KJV The first day of the week cometh Mary Magdalene early, when it was yet dark, unto the sepulchre, and seeth the stone taken away from the sepulchre.

The translators of the KJV, RSV, NRSV, NAB. NJB, DRB, NASB, GNB, CEV, and many more are probably better experts on Koine Greek than either of us. I'll take the KJV "first day of the week" as Sunday and stick with it.

 

[amadeois]

[MENTION=60]MoreCoffee[/MENTION]

That is why you'll continue in the untruth.

Jesus didn't break anybody's arm, He just said pick up your cross and follow me.

It is your decision to know whatever you want to know, but your salvation depends on who you are following.

The Truth or a Lie?

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[tango]

[MENTION=60]MoreCoffee[/MENTION]

That is why you'll continue in the untruth.

Jesus didn't break anybody's arm, He just said pick up your cross and follow me.

It is your decision to know whatever you want to know, but your salvation depends on who you are following.

The Truth or a Lie?

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Looking at this and your previous response, rather than simply suggesting someone read an entire thread why not highlight posts that are relevant? That sort of approach is worth no more than the people who say things like "Google it, see for yourself" when making an assertion.

It's also not great form to be posting these backhanded comments that suggest you have the truth and everyone else is just too blind to see it. If you've got something to say why not just come out and say it? Talking in riddles helps nobody and usually makes the poster look like they are pushing some form of gnosticism. (Yes, I know Jesus often used parables but he was God and we are not)

 

[amadeois]

I believe I'm wasting my time here because you don't get the message.
Is not who is right or who is wrong, is about finding the truth.

If our friend is not willing to read the entire thread, he is not going to get the message. All the discussions were important.

If you want to understand God's message, if you only pick what you want only certain passages or books, you are not going to get the message.

If God write 1044 (my bible) or inspired them, all those words are important to Him.

So now I'm going to read that book and I'll leave you to your shenanigans.

Peace be with you brother.

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[amadeois]

Correction: wrote 1,044 pages

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[tango]

I believe I'm wasting my time here because you don't get the message.
Is not who is right or who is wrong, is about finding the truth.

If our friend is not willing to read the entire thread, he is not going to get the message. All the discussions were important.

If you want to understand God's message, if you only pick what you want only certain passages or books, you are not going to get the message.

If God write 1044 (my bible) or inspired them, all those words are important to Him.

So now I'm going to read that book and I'll leave you to your shenanigans.

Peace be with you brother.

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OK, let's stop with the "leave me to my shenanigans" line. You don't have a monopoly on truth any more than I do, and I'm sure MoreCoffee also wouldn't claim that he alone has the truth (MC, feel free to correct me if I'm wrong on that)

If you want to make a point come out and make it. Making vague comments about picking and choosing, about not wanting to take the time, don't contribute anything to the discussion. Otherwise there's little point having one discussion if it's just going to point back to another discussion. It's like the people who say things like "here's an assertion, here's a two hour video that proves what I'm saying, don't comment unless you watch the video in full" when their assertion is demonstrably absurd.

Why not just make your point and back it with Scripture as required? If you can't be bothered to do that why do you assume someone else should be bothered to re-read an entire thread looking for something that might make your point?


As an aside, what's your favorite book of the Bible?

 

[Alithis]

It's not even close to being an indication of what they value the most. I've got an expensive carriage clock in my living room. If you went to throw it on the floor I'd physically throw you out of my house. It's nothing to do with whether I put the clock before God, it's just an issue that it's special to me and it's frankly more special to me than someone trying to make a point by destroying it.

An idol is something we put in God's place, not something that is valuable to us. There's a vast difference between the two.



There's really no need to take another bash at the RCC. I'm not a Catholic myself but a Catholic-specific bash here isn't really relevant to the topic. Sometimes people do defend idols, sometimes people merely defend a lifestyle against an accusation that's little more than a logical fallacy, like the idea that not wanting some random person to break my stuff means I place it above God. The fact someone defends a viewpoint doesn't mean that viewpoint is an idol to them, it just means they think they are right and you are wrong.

Using your own reasoning I could point out that in the other thread about healing you're so quick to defend your viewpoint that God always heals despite clear and apparent evidence to the contrary that it's an idol to you. How does that work for you?



If the cares of this world take the place of God in our hearts then of course we will become unfruitful. That's a totally different proposition from not wanting someone to break the things we own just to make a point. If God calls me to get rid of my expensive carriage clock then it's gone. If God calls me to give it to someone else then it's theirs. If some goon decides to break it just to find out whether or not I value it they'll get bodily ejected from my house in short order.

Again, let's take your logic here and run with it. I feel like renting a bulldozer and turning your house into a pile of rubble. I assume you're OK with that, because you wouldn't want your cares for the things of this world to cause you to become unfruitful, would you? You wouldn't want to stop the bulldozer, and demonstrate that your house is an idol to you, right?

An entire example of the point.. Thanks.

 

[Alithis]

OK, let's stop with the "leave me to my shenanigans" line. You don't have a monopoly on truth any more than I do, and I'm sure MoreCoffee also wouldn't claim that he alone has the truth (MC, feel free to correct me if I'm wrong on that)

If you want to make a point come out and make it. Making vague comments about picking and choosing, about not wanting to take the time, don't contribute anything to the discussion. Otherwise there's little point having one discussion if it's just going to point back to another discussion. It's like the people who say things like "here's an assertion, here's a two hour video that proves what I'm saying, don't comment unless you watch the video in full" when their assertion is demonstrably absurd.

Why not just make your point and back it with Scripture as required? If you can't be bothered to do that why do you assume someone else should be bothered to re-read an entire thread looking for something that might make your point?


As an aside, what's your favorite book of the Bible?

Hmmmm. Your not contributing a lot yourself there.
You adapt at dissecting others posts latly.
But contributing .. Very little.
The thread is not calling the. Church pagan.though huge sections of its practices are noyhing more then man made traditions and thus pagan in that they do not originate in God.
But the thread is about the. "Word" church.
As much as some deny it..the word ecclesia doesnt translat to the word we now pronounce church.

Its simple.
It doesnt bother me accept that a wrong meaning can misdirect a behaviour and thats what it has done for 1700 or so years.

 

[Alithis]

The holy scriptures report that the Lord Jesus Christ was risen near sunrise on the first day of the week (Matthew 28:1, Mark 16:2, Luke 24:1, John 20:1). The first day of the week in first century Jewish calendars is now called Sunday.

Is that the case in today in hebrew..?
Just wondering .
Add - [MENTION=131]visionary[/MENTION]

 

[Alithis]

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[visionary]

Is that the case in today in hebrew..?
Just wondering .
Add - [MENTION=131]visionary[/MENTION]

"First day of the week" is on the current calendars as Sunday which we use. "First day of the week" or as it says in the original text ‘mia ton sabbaton'... which literally translated "first of Sabbaths". This means it is more than just the first day of the week.

Jews do not name the days of the week. They count every day as a day towards the Sabbath day. So the first day towards the next Sabbath is what we know as Sunday.

The phrase, “first of the Sabbaths” is used nowhere except between Passover and the feast of Shavuot, and always immediately after Passover. This is an annual feast count where First Fruits is also known as wave sheaf and in the counting towards Pentecost known as the first of Sabbaths.

 

[visionary]

Sunday....Yom Reeshone...First day
Monday....Yom Shaynee...Second day
Tuesday....Yom Shlee´shee ...Third day
Wednesday....Yom Revee´ee...Fourth day
Thursday....Yom Khah´mee´shee...Fifth day
Friday....Yom Ha´shee´shee...known as preparation day or Sixth day
Saturday....Shabbat... Rest

 

[visionary]

 

[Alithis]

Yup then thats as i thought it was.
Only in paganism Was it ever referred to as the "sun"day. And back to the thread topic.. The word "church" which differs in meaning to the word ecclessia . was reinforced by the use of it in translation and misdirected the essence of who and what it is by herding it into an instutionalalized System and imposing upon it a paganistic control system.lording oit over the body in utter disrespecr for the truth that every member born again of the spirit of God are themselves kings and preists and not a select self declared few.

 

[MoreCoffee]

Why bother with modern Judaism? It is avowedly non-Christian and in many cases anti-Christian.

 

[psalms 91]

Judiaism no but what God wants yes

 

[MoreCoffee]

Wanting Judaism to set Christian doctrine is like wanting Islam to set Christian doctrine.

 

[psalms 91]

First you have to get away from the traditions and all the rest in Judaism and look at what God set in place , that is what I am talking about. I look at Jewishness since that is who God originally gave instruction to as to what He wanted and also what Jesus followed as God meant it to be followed, I also need to loook at Him in order to see what God really wants. It is not Judaism or anything else, it is the Way, the Wauy Jesus followed and what God wants