Can you claim the lord Jesus has set you free from sin.. if sin still masters you ?

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and the ongoing stance of the repentant heart is ? .. to go back and commit the sins which allowed the serpent to come with the sting of death ? of course not :)
but to now live in the righteousness of god and not continue in sin .we who are set free need not serve that which we have been freed from - if we have indeed been set free .
Not disagreeing... just wanted to point out that that is square one, and not about the bigger picture. The bigger picture is that there comes a time when the around and around we go with sin will no longer be acceptable. The snake will not heal you.
 

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Not disagreeing... just wanted to point out that that is square one, and not about the bigger picture. The bigger picture is that there comes a time when the around and around we go with sin will no longer be acceptable. The snake will not heal you.

yup ... (said it for the benefit of others lol )
though the round and round with sin has never been acceptable ..it prompted a lot of paul's topics in his epistles he saw it happening back then. these days it is ridiculously rife
 

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I think there is a bigger picture here.

You find the cross in the outer court of the Temple services. You find in Rev 11 two groups, in verse 1 the group is in the Temple. In group 2 found in verse 2 you find those still in the outer court. I have to ask... what did those in verse 1 know that had them move on from the milk of the gospel to the meat found in the Temple? This thread is all about the milk of the gospel... but once you have grasp the concept of "saved by grace" then what? What did those who moved into the Temple find out? Maybe this...

All Outer Court Vessels are Bronze
Bronze also means the judgment of all the sins of mankind. Go back to the time when the fiery serpents were biting and killing the people. That day that Moses put a serpent up on the pole and if the people would look upon it they would live. It was made out of bronze. People may not realize the connection between the brass objects in the outer court, but Yeshua pointed to it and said that it pointed to Him. He was made like sin so that when you who look to Him for salvation and you also may be saved from the serpent’s bite … so that whoever believes in Him shall not perish but have everlasting life.

It was not the graven serpent that healed but the faith that if you looked upon it as the God told Moses to tell the people to do that healed them, by faith they knew God would heal them if they obey and God did the healing. Just as Yeshua who was a curse on the tree, and many believed that He was the son of God are still healed today. They looked up Yeshua repent and believe. They are fully forgiven and healed. Those who look upon the pole and see Yeshua, the innocent guiltless lamb, made sin for us represented by the serpent, will get a glimmer of what Yeshua was telling them. Proof of His right, to say that He can save us, is in the power of the resurrection. No mere mortal is capable of resurrect their own body, cut off as we had been from the Tree of Life, only a God can do this. Only because Yeshua is God Himself can this be so.

As it happened later, people missed the message and worshiped the serpent on the pole and it had to be torn down. Today the pole needs to be torn down. Do not miss this message and worship the serpent. Satan is one brazen, bold, deceitful, conniving, instigator of malicious devious lies. Understand how repentance in your heart brings the promises of God to your life, and healing of your mind and body from the bites of Satan.

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wonderful teaching vuisionary
 

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It looks more like speculative conjectures than sound teaching.
 

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Have you ever met God?

Have you? Was it in a vision or a dream or did you see him with your eyes? Or are you really asking if I have faith in the Lord Jesus Christ and if I have received baptism in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit? If it is the latter then yes. If it is one of the former then no. I make no claim to visions and dreams. I make no impious claim to have seen the Lord with my earthly eyes.

PS: it is time for me to sleep. I shall be away for several hours. Plenty of time for folks to post new material for the morning :)
 

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wow sound doctrine doesnt work either
 

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Have you? Was it in a vision or a dream or did you see him with your eyes? Or are you really asking if I have faith in the Lord Jesus Christ and if I have received baptism in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit? If it is the latter then yes. If it is one of the former then no. I make no claim to visions and dreams. I make no impious claim to have seen the Lord with my earthly eyes.

PS: it is time for me to sleep. I shall be away for several hours. Plenty of time for folks to post new material for the morning :)
Have you been in His "Holy Presence" and heard Him speak the Holy Scriptures to you like it is ordinary conversation? Your denial of what all those people through the centuries experienced through out scripture encountered when they met God makes it seem like you worship not the God of the Jewish Bible... which you think is Christian.
 

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Have you been in His "Holy Presence" and heard Him speak the Holy Scriptures to you like it is ordinary conversation? Your denial of what all those people through the centuries experienced through out scripture encountered when they met God makes it seem like you worship not the God of the Jewish Bible... which you think is Christian.

What do you mean by "holy presence"?

"Have you ... heard Him speak the Holy Scriptures to you like it is ordinary conversation?" Do you mean heard with my ears like I hear the radio or television or a person speaking? If you do then no. Have you?

"Your denial of what all those people through the centuries experienced throughout scripture encountered when they met God makes it seem like you worship not the God of the Jewish Bible... which you think is Christian." That sounds incoherent. Do you expect that hearing God speak with one's ears is an old testament experience exclusively or do you think that it is a new testament experience exclusively? And what has it to do with the feasts of the old testament? And even more apropos what has it to do with the thread's topic, specifically "Can you claim the lord Jesus has set you free from sin.. if sin still masters you?"
 

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What do you mean by "holy presence"?

"Have you ... heard Him speak the Holy Scriptures to you like it is ordinary conversation?" Do you mean heard with my ears like I hear the radio or television or a person speaking? If you do then no. Have you?

"Your denial of what all those people through the centuries experienced throughout scripture encountered when they met God makes it seem like you worship not the God of the Jewish Bible... which you think is Christian." That sounds incoherent. Do you expect that hearing God speak with one's ears is an old testament experience exclusively or do you think that it is a new testament experience exclusively? And what has it to do with the feasts of the old testament? And even more apropos what has it to do with the thread's topic, specifically "Can you claim the lord Jesus has set you free from sin.. if sin still masters you?"
Sin is loosing its hold... how are you doing?
 

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Sin is loosing its hold... how are you doing?

BY the grace and mercy of God I am forgiven.

Can we return to the topic now?

After all I am not the topic despite your inordinate amount of curiosity about my state of grace.
 

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BY the grace and mercy of God I am forgiven.

Can we return to the topic now?

After all I am not the topic despite your inordinate amount of curiosity about my state of grace.

forgiven of what ?
 

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What is the difference between sin loosing their hold on a soul and the soul that is always needing forgiveness? Who is gaining ground and becoming an overcomer?
 

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What is the difference between sin loosing their hold on a soul and the soul that is always needing forgiveness? Who is gaining ground and becoming an overcomer?

but but but we are already forgiven for that sin back there so cant i just carry on doing them >? i jest
 

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'He who overcomes, I will grant to him to sit down with Me on My throne, as I also overcame and sat down with My Father on His throne. 22'He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches.'"
 

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What is the difference between sin loosing their hold on a soul and the soul that is always needing forgiveness? Who is gaining ground and becoming an overcomer?

Forgiveness is not a license to continue in sins.
 
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