Can you claim the lord Jesus has set you free from sin.. if sin still masters you ?

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of course but the price for all sin is death is it not? What does the bible say rather than a denom that believes still in purgatory and a man being able to forgive sin?

If it is a sin not unto death then it is not unto death.
 

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all sin leads to death unless you repent
 

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all sin leads to death unless you repent

If any man see his brother sin a sin which is not unto death, he shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it. All unrighteousness is sin: and there is a sin not unto death. (1 John 5:16-17 KJV)
 

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God's ultimate goal is to separate us from sin, so that we "sin no more".
 

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Was Job sinning?

Was Enoch?
 

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God's ultimate goal is to separate us from sin, so that we "sin no more".

Of course. God would want that, but from the very beginning gave us the Savior so that we could once again be with him for all eternity since our bodies were corrupt by the disease of sin from the first Adam. In our baptisms we are given the gift of the Holy Spirt and washed clean of our sins. We still sin but thankfully the Holy Spirit is guiding us to do His will even though, as Paul states, we have that daily struggle within us. Our perfection will come at death or when He returns for us on Judgment Day and we will have our resurrected bodies!
 

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While some sin is unintentional a lot of why we sin is because we love the sin, if we are very truthful with ourselves it is not the devil that made us but our own desires
Yes unintentionally and presumption .. Bur when the lord speaks to us ,as he does,and we then become aware it is sin ..what can possibly compell us to continue doing it?nothing! Praise God! He has set us free.
This is about sin we know to be sin that is repetedly commited after we claim to have been set free by the lord jesus. We have been set free in order to now live in him and walk in his rightousness.
 

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Yes, we do sin even though we are covered under Christ's righteousness. Even you still sin but are saved by the blood of the lamb, not by your own obedience. Your obedience will falter but Christ was perfect and being covered by Him makes us perfect in God's eyes.
If a person Knows they sin as you claim here .then they know what sin it is they speak of so are fully aware they are doing it.which concludes they have not yet repented . for if you know you sin and what the sin is ..why would you do that act in rebellion against the lord jesus whom we claim tp love ?
Jesus said /if you love me you will obey what i teach you.

By the way..
 

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That ALL in your post does not really mean ALL does it? The Lord did not sin. Enoch pleased the Lord. Job was perfect. Maybe there are exceptions?

All speaks of all born of adam. ..
And the verse quoted is a past tense "sinned" ..the rest is just. Heading off topic
 

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Can we say we qre freed fron sin if sin still has mastery over us?

And.. By the way in this topic i have i never stated this of any one,nor brought accusation of sin againt any one.
Every one else has accused " we all" and one even made direct accusation .
Since we speak of direct unambiguous sin (please go back and read the post earlier in regard to that) as clearly defined in the ten commandments and ,i add,knowing what is right to do and then purposly not doing it -for to the new freature in christ..this misses the mark.
We cannot so easily make accusation of one another unless a person declares thier sin against God. In which case you would not be judging on unrightouss guess work thus not making an unrightous judgment.
I advice you drop such accusations .we
Already have an accuser,dont be his advocate.

The truth is,if we have repented and been forgiven and recieved remission for our sin in the waters of baptism,being buried into christs death where by all past works of the devil and sin are put to death.and risen again into the resurection of christ as a new creature in christ according to his word.All sin. We sinned..past tense..is gone and we are now set free..
The record of past wrongs is wiped out .not just the old made clean..but the old dead and we are made a new creature in christ.
Shal we then as this new creature go back and do what the old did and so accumulate a new record of sin against ourself ? Can sin now dominate this new creature so that we have no choice but to cimmit viles acts of unrightousness?

If we claim to be free why live as those ensalved..
 

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Of course. God would want that, but from the very beginning gave us the Savior so that we could once again be with him for all eternity since our bodies were corrupt by the disease of sin from the first Adam. In our baptisms we are given the gift of the Holy Spirt and washed clean of our sins. We still sin but thankfully the Holy Spirit is guiding us to do His will even though, as Paul states, we have that daily struggle within us. Our perfection will come at death or when He returns for us on Judgment Day and we will have our resurrected bodies!

Again ,your speaking of a messup.. A tragic instance of sin .. Its not the topic.for such a person in such a case would repent. In godly sorrow.. Heart broken they offended thier lord ..as peter was after his denial. But he repented ..he never ever denied his lord again .he reamined faithful unto death.
Peter messed up .. But fully repented and recieved grace. He did not then spit in the eye of the favour of god and keep doing it.

This topic is about sin. .known to be sin .an unrightous action of coveting to the action of stealing ,of greed to take power,of pride to the action of dishonest gain to get get get..of lust to the action of adultory (porn )of dishonesty to the action of lying .to knowing what the lord is speaking to your heart but refusing to do it,the action of rebellion.

No person ,made new in christ can be compelled by any outward force to sin against thier own will..they must will to do it.

As james says..a man is tempted by the desire already in his OWN heart..
One can only commit and continue to commit what they know to be sin
A. Because they want to do it..they love it more the they love the lord jesus.and will perish if they do not repent as peter repented. Not go back and ever do it again.
B. They are bound in sin as a slave to it,even have a demon. and not yet saved
From it and will perish if they do not repent .
 

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"Repentance for the forgivness of sin is to be preached- " -Jesus.
 

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Yes unintentionally and presumption .. Bur when the lord speaks to us ,as he does,and we then become aware it is sin ..what can possibly compell us to continue doing it?nothing! Praise God! He has set us free.
This is about sin we know to be sin that is repetedly commited after we claim to have been set free by the lord jesus. We have been set free in order to now live in him and walk in his rightousness.
However many return to the same sin and why is thta it is because they love the sin more than the Lord or else there is a stronghold in thier lives and they need prayer and help to break free
 

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All speaks of all born of adam. ..
And the verse quoted is a past tense "sinned" ..the rest is just. Heading off topic

According to saint Luke's gospel the Lord is descended from Adam: "Jesus was about thirty years old when he began his work. He was the son (as was thought) of Joseph ... son of Seth, son of Adam, son of God". Some may think that because saint Luke says "as was thought" he means that Jesus is not descended from that line of ancestors including Adam yet no matter how one takes those words the fact remains that the Lord Jesus Christ is a human being and as such is descended from Adam and Eve. Being descended from Adam need not imply that one is corrupted by Original sin since the Lord Jesus Christ is not corrupted by Original sin and he is descended from Adam.
 

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However many return to the same sin and why is thta it is because they love the sin more than the Lord or else there is a stronghold in thier lives and they need prayer and help to break free

your onto it ... :)

so if they say they are free but are in state where they they are consistent in failure to over come.. then they are
a -not free YET (as you suggest a stronghold.. but remember every strong hold is rooted in sin..cut the foundation and the stronghold falls down)
b- unrepentant
 

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According to saint Luke's gospel the Lord is descended from Adam: "Jesus was about thirty years old when he began his work. He was the son (as was thought) of Joseph ... son of Seth, son of Adam, son of God". Some may think that because saint Luke says "as was thought" he means that Jesus is not descended from that line of ancestors including Adam yet no matter how one takes those words the fact remains that the Lord Jesus Christ is a human being and as such is descended from Adam and Eve. Being descended from Adam need not imply that one is corrupted by Original sin since the Lord Jesus Christ is not corrupted by Original sin and he is descended from Adam.

as was thought ! -but was not so -he was born of the spirit not of adam .
but do try to stay on topic
 

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as was thought ! ...

Some may think that because saint Luke says "as was thought" he means that Jesus is not descended from that line of ancestors including Adam yet no matter how one takes those words the fact remains that the Lord Jesus Christ is a human being and as such is descended from Adam and Eve. Being descended from Adam need not imply that one is corrupted by Original sin since the Lord Jesus Christ is not corrupted by Original sin and he is descended from Adam.
 

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Some may think that because saint Luke says "as was thought" he means that Jesus is not descended from that line of ancestors including Adam yet no matter how one takes those words the fact remains that the Lord Jesus Christ is a human being and as such is descended from Adam and Eve. Being descended from Adam need not imply that one is corrupted by Original sin since the Lord Jesus Christ is not corrupted by Original sin and he is descended from Adam.

lol .i will leave josiah to reply to that ..

mean while - can you claim the lord Jesus has set you free from sin it it still has mastery over you ?
 

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lol .i will leave josiah to reply to that ..

mean while - can you claim the lord Jesus has set you free from sin it it still has mastery over you ?

Claim it? Sure. Is it what you experience now? A sinless perfection? Or are you thinking of something else, something not perfect?

The holy scriptures assure the faithful that sin is no longer master. Christ is master that is why the faithful call him Lord.
 

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Claim it? Sure. Is it what you experience now? A sinless perfection? Or are you thinking of something else, something not perfect?

The holy scriptures assure the faithful that sin is no longer master. Christ is master that is why the faithful call him Lord.

then why do so many people have the attitude that they WILL sin .. ? what sin is it they are speaking of when they say that ?
is it the sin they" know to be sin " and refuse to repent of ?

it must be ,because something that had been repented of is not then continually practiced as that would display that they have not yet repented .
and there is no forgivness without repentance .

[as for sinless perfection .. nice try, but if you go back and read the thread you wil see plainly that it is not even implied .. it is about claiming your free when sin still has mastery .. Jesus said you can't serve two masters ..so if we are still serving the flesh to sin.. we are still under its mastery and not actually free yet .]

it assures us we are free "in christ " but that only applies if we ARE in christ and are living on obedience to his Holy Spirit within us .if indeed we have his Holy Spirit within us .
we are SET free by what he has accomplished on the cross , but we are set free from one master (sin and the death it brings ) in ordr to serve the new mater and the live he brings .
obedience is not on auto pilot . it is chosen as an act of love .
 
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