Evangelical Only Ash wednesday -Odins day .. Interesting information regarding the practice

[Alithis]

In the interest of non debate..but the presentation of information to aid in defining truth of scripture from false doctrines..iv listed this under evangelical only.

This practice has no scriptural foundation at all.
The lord Jesus did not observe it or teach it,nor did the apostles.. I think it appears about 1000 years later .and is almost certainly of pagan origin.
Below is an excerpt from one site "among so many" which tell of the custom throughout the pagan world.
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"The practice of putting ashes on one's forehead has been known from ancient times. In the Nordic pagan religion, placing ashes above one's brow was believed to ensure the protection of the Norse god, Odin. This practice spread to Europe during the Vikings conquests. This laying on of ashes was done on Wednesday, the day named for Odin, Odin's Day. Interestingly enough, according to Wikipedia, one of Odin's names is Ygg. The same is Norse for the World Ash. This name Ygg, closely resembles the Vedic name Agni in pronunciation.

The Norse practice which has become known as Ash Wednesday was itself, drawn from the Vedic Indian religion. Ashes were believed to be the seed Agni , the Indian fire god. It is from this name that the Latins used for fire, ignis. It is from this root word that the English language got the words, ignite, igneous and ignition. Agni was said to have the authority to forgive sins. Ashes were also believed to be symbolic for the purifying blood of the Vedic god Shiva, which it is said had the power to cleanse sins."...

This sort of thing..these little deviations from truth that later lead many astray into all manner of false doctrine, is why i often make such a big deal over seemingly little things.. After all,the serpant only implied one tinsy tiny lie when he asked..."did God say......?"

A little leaven ,leavens the whole lump.

 

[psalms 91]

Interesting, never heard that before

 

[Alithis]

Interesting, never heard that before

You can pretty much take it to the bank...as the saying goes...,that Any traditional practice that is not founded on the rock of the clear direct unambigous word of God...does not originate from God.but from the spirit of THIS world.which is the spirit of antichrist.and will therefore always have pagan origin and at its heart of hearts be utterly ungodly in respect to the one true living God .the God of abraham isaac and Jacob.

 

[psalms 91]

I do know that many pagan practices were added in in orde rto draw them in when Constantine turned everything upside down

 

[Brighten04]

You know, I wondered about this practice. No church I ever attended practiced Ash Wednesday, but I would see it on the calendar and wonder what it meant. I live in a small town with few congregations and they do not practice Ash Wednesday, nor Lent. Thanks for the information on it. It reminds me of the mark of the beast.:rotfl:

 

[Alithis]

I do know that many pagan practices were added in in orde rto draw them in when Constantine turned everything upside down

Constantine did not do establish this particular tradition as i understand it came into practice some 1000 years after . but folks seem to forget he was christian only in a politically correct type of way.. the man himself was a priest in the roman cult of sun worshipers .that is why to this day the image of the sun is still prominent among many of thier icons .

 

[Brighten04]

Constantine did not do establish this particular tradition as i understand it came into practice some 1000 years after . but folks seem to forget he was christian only in a politically correct type of way.. the man himself was a priest in the roman cult of sun worshipers .that is why to this day the image of the sun is still prominent among many of thier icons .

I thought he converted to Christian?

 

[Tigger]

Ezekeil 9:4 And the LORD said unto him, "pass through the city, through Jerusalem and put a mark on the foreheads of the men who sign and groan over all the abominations that are committed in it."

 

[Brighten04]

Ezekeil 9:4 And the LORD said unto him, "pass through the city, through Jerusalem and put a mark on the foreheads of the men who sign and groan over all the abominations that are committed in it."

So, what are you saying? Are you saying this is the foundation scripture for putting ash from trees on your forhead or hand?

 

[Tigger]

So, what are you saying? Are you saying this is the foundation scripture for putting ash from trees on your forhead or hand?

Its obvious that having ashes marked on ones forehead as a sign of lamenting and repentance is biblical "says the LORD."

 

[Brighten04]

Its obvious that having ashes marked on ones forehead as a sign of lamenting and repentance is biblical "says the LORD."

Ok, so Lord Jesus and the Apostles did it?

 

[Alithis]

I thought he converted to Christian?

only in a politically correct sense -it had become socially unacceptable to oppose christianity -it has so taken the world of that time by storm .

his actions went on to display he was certainly no born again spirit filled believer ..
insteads of going out as the apostles did healing the sick preaching the gospel.. instead he imposed sunday worship (sun- day) in favor of the sun god cult he was entwined in .caled rome the mother church and a myriad of other things which hold people captive away from the truth to this day . remember the verse by thier fruits you shall know them . consider the fruits and it is clear to see.. he was no born again chrsitian, not by a far stretch of the imagination.

 

[Alithis]

from ezekiel 8--- Then he said to me, “Son of man, look toward the north.” So I looked, and in the entrance north of the gate of the altar I saw this idol of jealousy.

6 And he said to me, “Son of man, do you see what they are doing—the utterly detestable things the Israelites are doing here, things that will drive me far from my sanctuary? But you will see things that are even more detestable.”

7 Then he brought me to the entrance to the court. I looked, and I saw a hole in the wall. 8 He said to me, “Son of man, now dig into the wall.” So I dug into the wall and saw a doorway there.

9 And he said to me, “Go in and see the wicked and detestable things they are doing here.” 10 So I went in and looked, and I saw portrayed all over the walls all kinds of crawling things and unclean animals and all the idols of Israel. 11 In front of them stood seventy elders of Israel, and Jaazaniah son of Shaphan was standing among them. Each had a censer in his hand, and a fragrant cloud of incense was rising.

12 He said to me, “Son of man, have you seen what the elders of Israel are doing in the darkness, each at the shrine of his own idol? They say, ‘The Lord does not see us; the Lord has forsaken the land.’” 13 Again, he said, “You will see them doing things that are even more detestable.”

14 Then he brought me to the entrance of the north gate of the house of the Lord, and I saw women sitting there, mourning the god Tammuz. 15 He said to me, “Do you see this, son of man? You will see things that are even more detestable than this.”

16 He then brought me into the inner court of the house of the Lord, and there at the entrance to the temple, between the portico and the altar, were about twenty-five men. With their backs toward the temple of the Lord and their faces toward the east, they were bowing down to the sun in the east.

17 He said to me, “Have you seen this, son of man? Is it a trivial matter for the people of Judah to do the detestable things they are doing here? Must they also fill the land with violence and continually arouse my anger? Look at them putting the branch to their nose! 18 Therefore I will deal with them in anger; I will not look on them with pity or spare them. Although they shout in my ears, I will not listen to them.”

which leads into ezekiel 9 -

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from Ezekiel 9---"Then I heard him call out in a loud voice, “Bring near those who are appointed to execute judgment on the city, each with a weapon in his hand.” 2 And I saw six men coming from the direction of the upper gate, which faces north, each with a deadly weapon in his hand. With them was a man clothed in linen who had a writing kit at his side. They came in and stood beside the bronze altar.

3 Now the glory of the God of Israel went up from above the cherubim, where it had been, and moved to the threshold of the temple. Then the Lord called to the man clothed in linen who had the writing kit at his side 4 and said to him, “Go throughout the city of Jerusalem and put a mark on the foreheads of those who grieve and lament over all the detestable things that are done in it.”

5 As I listened, he said to the others, “Follow him through the city and kill, without showing pity or compassion. 6 Slaughter the old men, the young men and women, the mothers and children, but do not touch anyone who has the mark. Begin at my sanctuary.” So they began with the old men who were in front of the temple.

-- absolutely nothing to do with ash wednesday because you won't find it in the scriptures at all .

 

[Alithis]

AND

.. grieve over all the detestable things that are done in it.”-- go back to chapter 8 and observe these detestable thing .. making statues of created things and honoring them ..
AND SUN WORSHIP

now go back and see the origin of the nordic false gods on odin's day (wednesday) and the practice of placing ash /.. and what do we see ..? SUN WORSHIP ..! the same wickedness rearing its ugly demonic head again .

the only way people can get dragged back into this paganism is becaseu they place the traditions of men on top of the closed bible . and never read the holy script any more . and when they do read it they are like a man who looks in a mirror and straight away goes and forgets what manner of man he is . because thouh he was a hearer of the word he did not become a doer of it and so falls into deception.

 

[George]

he was no born again chrsitian, not by a far stretch of the imagination.

And by which do you say this? Are you basing this off your own criteria or the current day idealogy of being born again?

 

[Alithis]

when in an rcc only thread i put one post suggesting you ask your question in an open thread ..that post which neither speak of or opposed the topic -was removed

I placed this thread under evangelical only.. to avoid just such debate .

Rome has never taught to become "born again " -romes teched one must become amner of the rcc to be saved -somthing the bible NEVER teaches .

a born again christian is one in whom the holy Spirit dwells -one who has received the baptism of the Holy Spirit and have thus been acknowledged by Gods own Holy Spirit ..whereby they cry" abba father" - somthing that cannot be done by the flesh .

it has absolutely nothing to do with an institutional hierarchy or position or membership .and no born again person in whom the holy spirit dwells would deny Jesus as the ONLY head of HIS body the church ,nor would they deny that he alone is the one mediator between man and God , .. by thier fruits .. by his fruits we assume plainly the man was no born again disciple of the Lord JESUS.

nor does your question have anything to do with the topic of the pagan origin of ash odin's day (in english- ash wednesday ) .

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[Brighten04]

only in a politically correct sense -it had become socially unacceptable to oppose christianity -it has so taken the world of that time by storm .

his actions went on to display he was certainly no born again spirit filled believer ..
insteads of going out as the apostles did healing the sick preaching the gospel.. instead he imposed sunday worship (sun- day) in favor of the sun god cult he was entwined in .caled rome the mother church and a myriad of other things which hold people captive away from the truth to this day . remember the verse by thier fruits you shall know them . consider the fruits and it is clear to see.. he was no born again chrsitian, not by a far stretch of the imagination.

But our Father favored him. I mean, Christians today even practice things after the traditions of men. That does not mean they are not born again. Frankly, we , today, cannot say that Constantine was not saved.

 

[psalms 91]

Maybe not but he sure made a mess by inckluding things that resembled and even fell on the same days as pagan feasts and today most christians dont even know it

 

[Brighten04]

Maybe not but he sure made a mess by inckluding things that resembled and even fell on the same days as pagan feasts and today most christians dont even know it

That is true. But we do not know the condition of his heart. We do know that he made it safe for Christianity to thrive and grow.