Evangelical Only Ash wednesday -Odins day .. Interesting information regarding the practice

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The practice of using ashes upon a person's forehead as a sign of lamination and repentance was initiated by the LORD. There is absolutely nothing wrong with using that practice to start off Lent with our own spirit of repentance. You won't find a single verse in scripture referring to a female receiving the Eucharist but I bet you practice that.
from ezekiel 8--- Then he said to me, “Son of man, look toward the north.” So I looked, and in the entrance north of the gate of the altar I saw this idol of jealousy.

6 And he said to me, “Son of man, do you see what they are doing—the utterly detestable things the Israelites are doing here, things that will drive me far from my sanctuary? But you will see things that are even more detestable.”

7 Then he brought me to the entrance to the court. I looked, and I saw a hole in the wall. 8 He said to me, “Son of man, now dig into the wall.” So I dug into the wall and saw a doorway there.

9 And he said to me, “Go in and see the wicked and detestable things they are doing here.” 10 So I went in and looked, and I saw portrayed all over the walls all kinds of crawling things and unclean animals and all the idols of Israel. 11 In front of them stood seventy elders of Israel, and Jaazaniah son of Shaphan was standing among them. Each had a censer in his hand, and a fragrant cloud of incense was rising.

12 He said to me, “Son of man, have you seen what the elders of Israel are doing in the darkness, each at the shrine of his own idol? They say, ‘The Lord does not see us; the Lord has forsaken the land.’” 13 Again, he said, “You will see them doing things that are even more detestable.”

14 Then he brought me to the entrance of the north gate of the house of the Lord, and I saw women sitting there, mourning the god Tammuz. 15 He said to me, “Do you see this, son of man? You will see things that are even more detestable than this.”

16 He then brought me into the inner court of the house of the Lord, and there at the entrance to the temple, between the portico and the altar, were about twenty-five men. With their backs toward the temple of the Lord and their faces toward the east, they were bowing down to the sun in the east.

17 He said to me, “Have you seen this, son of man? Is it a trivial matter for the people of Judah to do the detestable things they are doing here? Must they also fill the land with violence and continually arouse my anger? Look at them putting the branch to their nose! 18 Therefore I will deal with them in anger; I will not look on them with pity or spare them. Although they shout in my ears, I will not listen to them.”

which leads into ezekiel 9 -

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from Ezekiel 9---"Then I heard him call out in a loud voice, “Bring near those who are appointed to execute judgment on the city, each with a weapon in his hand.” 2 And I saw six men coming from the direction of the upper gate, which faces north, each with a deadly weapon in his hand. With them was a man clothed in linen who had a writing kit at his side. They came in and stood beside the bronze altar.

3 Now the glory of the God of Israel went up from above the cherubim, where it had been, and moved to the threshold of the temple. Then the Lord called to the man clothed in linen who had the writing kit at his side 4 and said to him, “Go throughout the city of Jerusalem and put a mark on the foreheads of those who grieve and lament over all the detestable things that are done in it.”

5 As I listened, he said to the others, “Follow him through the city and kill, without showing pity or compassion. 6 Slaughter the old men, the young men and women, the mothers and children, but do not touch anyone who has the mark. Begin at my sanctuary.” So they began with the old men who were in front of the temple.

-- absolutely nothing to do with ash wednesday because you won't find it in the scriptures at all .
 

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Ok, so Lord Jesus and the Apostles administered the Eucharist to females in scripture? Do you take communion :confused:
Ok, so Lord Jesus and the Apostles did it?:confused:
 

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Ok, so Lord Jesus and the Apostles administered the Eucharist to females in scripture? Do you take communion :confused:
Oh you are going sexist on me now? OK, Alright I see another facet that I never imagined was in you brother. Yes I take communion. But there were females in the upper room and they were included in the fellowship of believers. They broke bread together with the men and they drank together with the men. I call that communion.
 

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Oh you are going sexist on me now? OK, Alright I see another facet that I never imagined was in you brother. Yes I take communion. But there were females in the upper room and they were included in the fellowship of believers. They broke bread together with the men and they drank together with the men. I call that communion.

Nowhere does the text state that women received Communion.

But all that is WAY, WAY off topic..... and ONLY "evengelicals" are to post in this thread. Now, if they would just state EXACTLY who here are "the Evangelicals" and EXACTLY what makes one an "Evangelical" we could know who may and may not post in this thread.
 

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Maybe not but he sure made a mess by inckluding things that resembled and even fell on the same days as pagan feasts and today most christians dont even know it

Yup.. You might note i carfully worded that former statement. Saying "by his fruits we Assume plainly he was not born again." i did not declare an outright judgment on him. But based on knowing those who are truly in christ by thier fruits ,it is an obvious conclusion. I dont know of the father favoring him. But its a bit off topic of ash wednesday..it came up in a reply to a question is all.

The main point is to display that the practice is not foundd in the word of God and is not Of God.
 

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As for the communion bread ..all believers are to partake..
Aslo in christ there is no master or slave no man or woman..just unity.

And we being non catholic do not "recieve" the bread and the wine.. We break bread together and
When we do so it is in remembrance because he said when you do this "remember me" .we also dont adhere to the non scriptural doctrine of transmutation.

As for defining who may post here...anyone i feel ,should be free to do so ,as long as they do not impose or promote other denominationa traditions ..feel free to join in. :)
 

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Oh you are going sexist on me now? OK, Alright I see another facet that I never imagined was in you brother. Yes I take communion. But there were females in the upper room and they were included in the fellowship of believers. They broke bread together with the men and they drank together with the men. I call that communion.

Whoa up the horse there.. Dont assume another aspect :) ..he may be making a reference to a dIffering point in regard to things not found in scripture. ?
Nothing sexist at all.
 

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Nowhere does the text state that women received Communion.

But all that is WAY, WAY off topic..... and ONLY "evengelicals" are to post in this thread. Now, if they would just state EXACTLY who here are "the Evangelicals" and EXACTLY what makes one an "Evangelical" we could know who may and may not post in this thread.

So you do not accept that the women eating and drinking with the men as communion? The scriptures clearly say that they did. Now were they at the last supper where it was given as an ordinance, it does not say. As far as I know, only the eleven were there for Judas had left. What did it look like? It was breaking bread and drinking wine. Lord Jesus broke bread off of a loaf. There was no wafer. Annd since only the eleven was there, what gives other men the right to take it. And ,if it is for mankind to take communion, doesn't that include women? Furthermore, there is no mention of the ritual anymore in scripture after Lord Jesus instituted it to my knowledge. I would appreciate it if some one who may know the scriptures more thoroughly than I do would show me where in scripture the ritual was performed again after it was instituted. I missed that. :)

I don't know exactly what it means all these labels that have come out for people of faith. I attend a Baptist assembly. Does that count as evangelical. Maybe the mods know. They are the ones who created the labels.
 

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Baptist are considered Evangelical. Lutherans can be considered it as well. Roman Catholics and Eastern Orthodox are generally not considered "Evangelical" because the term is really fully "Evangelical Protestant".
 

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Funny, I never considered Lutherans evangelical and if thats the case and say you didnt want that denom posting you could alwwways go to a charasmatic or pentecostal heading
 

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Funny, I never considered Lutherans evangelical and if thats the case and say you didnt want that denom posting you could alwwways go to a charasmatic or pentecostal heading

Yeah but that would block Baptist .
 

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Nope has nothing to do with being sexist. You can't show one time a female taking communion in the bible. It just shows your system of biblical interpretation is flawed.
Oh you are going sexist on me now? OK, Alright I see another facet that I never imagined was in you brother. Yes I take communion. But there were females in the upper room and they were included in the fellowship of believers. They broke bread together with the men and they drank together with the men. I call that communion.
 

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Nope has nothing to do with being sexist. You can't show one time a female taking communion in the bible. It just shows your system of biblical interpretation is flawed.

And you cannot show any more after the last supper where either women or men took communion again. And yes, you were being sexist. But I forgive you. :)
 

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Nope has nothing to do with being sexist. You can't show one time a female taking communion in the bible. It just shows your system of biblical interpretation is flawed.

And! If my system of interpretation is flawed because I don't believe I have to put ashes on my face and hands, then so be it. When Lord Jesus tells me I have to do it, then I will.

Matt.6:16 Moreover when ye fast, be not, as the hypocrites, of a sad countenance: for they disfigure their faces, that they may appear unto men to fast. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.

17 But thou, when thou fastest, anoint thine head, and wash thy face;

18 That thou appear not unto men to fast, but unto thy Father which is in secret: and thy Father, which seeth in secret, shall reward thee openly.
 

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Nope has nothing to do with being sexist. You can't show one time a female taking communion in the bible. It just shows your system of biblical interpretation is flawed.

lol ..off topic but stil. we can show where all beleivers gathered together to break bread .. you do know some of the apostles had wives right ?

however one thing is known- the practice of ash wednesday .. has no origin ob the one true living God .

its very name states that .

Wednesday
The day named to honor Wodan (Odin).
The Romans called it dies Mercurii, after their god Mercury.

and refer back to the first posts for more info into ask used after fire and SUN worship .
the practice wa not even adopted by the rcc until about 1000 years ago and has no foundation whatsoever in the holy Scriptures -is simply nothing to do with walking as a disciple of the lord JEsus

the practice also leads into lent .. and thats a whole other mess of paganism .
 

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And you cannot show any more after the last supper where either women or men took communion again. And yes, you were being sexist. But I forgive you. :)

I agree you can't show even the disciples taking communion again but that would only prove again that the end result of your system of biblical interpretation is flawed and in your own words sexist.
 

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Again it is very simple, there is nothing wrong with putting ashes on anyone's forehead as a sign of lamentation and/or repentance whether it's on a Wednesday or anything other day of the week. In fact I showed scripture as a precedence. (Ezekeil 9:4) I'm not saying that specifically 'Ash Wednesday ' is obligated in anyway but to say it's umbilical or unChristian is coming from personal biases and has not been shown to be unscriptural by you or within this thread.
lol ..off topic but stil. we can show where all beleivers gathered together to break bread .. you do know some of the apostles had wives right ?

however one thing is known- the practice of ash wednesday .. has no origin ob the one true living God .

its very name states that .

Wednesday
The day named to honor Wodan (Odin).
The Romans called it dies Mercurii, after their god Mercury.

and refer back to the first posts for more info into ask used after fire and SUN worship .
the practice wa not even adopted by the rcc until about 1000 years ago and has no foundation whatsoever in the holy Scriptures -is simply nothing to do with walking as a disciple of the lord JEsus

the practice also leads into lent .. and thats a whole other mess of paganism .
 

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I agree you can't show even the disciples taking communion again but that would only prove again that the end result of your system of biblical interpretation is flawed and in your own words sexist.

My system of interpretation is no more flawed that yours brother. You cannot show where Lord Jesus or he Apostles put ashes on their faces on Ash Wednesday. That is as flawed as it can get. I did show where Lord Jesus said don't be like the hypocrites when you are fasting, and Lent is supposed to be a seasons of fasting and reflection isn't it? But since I don't think you read that I will post it again, Just so you know and can make the necessary adjustment. This is specific instruction about the way your face should look while you fast ok?

Matt.6:16 Moreover when ye fast, be not, as the hypocrites, of a sad countenance: for they disfigure their faces, that they may appear unto men to fast. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.

17 But thou, when thou fastest, anoint thine head, and WASH THY FACE

18 That thou appear not unto men to fast, but unto thy Father which is in secret: and thy Father, which seeth in secret, shall reward thee openly.


Now you say there is nothing wrong with it, but Lord Jesus says otherwise. I follow Jesus. Thank you very much.
 

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This is the most hilarious thing I've heard for someone to say Jesus did not observe Ash Wednesday! hehe You DO know that Ash Wednesday wasn't even a practice until after Jesus' death and resurrection because it's meant as a reflection and only came to be AFTER he died? Or maybe you don't know that since you said he didn't observe it? I'm still laughing because Lent is to remember Jesus death and our own mortality and we are humbled and no it isn't something that people have to do and there is so much focus on Jesus which is what we want right?



In the interest of non debate..but the presentation of information to aid in defining truth of scripture from false doctrines..iv listed this under evangelical only.

This practice has no scriptural foundation at all.
The lord Jesus did not observe it or teach it,nor did the apostles.. I think it appears about 1000 years later .and is almost certainly of pagan origin.
Below is an excerpt from one site "among so many" which tell of the custom throughout the pagan world.
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"The practice of putting ashes on one's forehead has been known from ancient times. In the Nordic pagan religion, placing ashes above one's brow was believed to ensure the protection of the Norse god, Odin. This practice spread to Europe during the Vikings conquests. This laying on of ashes was done on Wednesday, the day named for Odin, Odin's Day. Interestingly enough, according to Wikipedia, one of Odin's names is Ygg. The same is Norse for the World Ash. This name Ygg, closely resembles the Vedic name Agni in pronunciation.

The Norse practice which has become known as Ash Wednesday was itself, drawn from the Vedic Indian religion. Ashes were believed to be the seed Agni , the Indian fire god. It is from this name that the Latins used for fire, ignis. It is from this root word that the English language got the words, ignite, igneous and ignition. Agni was said to have the authority to forgive sins. Ashes were also believed to be symbolic for the purifying blood of the Vedic god Shiva, which it is said had the power to cleanse sins."...

This sort of thing..these little deviations from truth that later lead many astray into all manner of false doctrine, is why i often make such a big deal over seemingly little things.. After all,the serpant only implied one tinsy tiny lie when he asked..."did God say......?"

A little leaven ,leavens the whole lump.
 

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I have no problem with Ash Wednesday as it is to remind us of Jesus death
 
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