Alithis
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You have two arguments:
1. Applying ashes as a sign of repentance dates to no earlier than 1000 years after Jesus. This has been prove to be entirely false (although you've ignored that, perhaps not reading the posts)
2. Applying ashes as a sign of repentance is never mentioned in the Bible. This has been shown to be entirely false (although you've ignored that, perhaps not reading the posts)
Now.... it could be that non-Christians apply ashes for whatever reasons. May be. No one here has disputed that possibility. But you have yet to answer the question SO WHAT? (Perhaps you've just not read those posts; you've admitted you often don't). You are posting on the internet. Do non-Christians post on the internet? Does that make it wrong for you to ALSO post on the internet? You likely drive a car. Do non-Christians also drive cars? Does that make it wrong for you to drive a car? Dio non-Christians sing? Does that make it wrong for you to sing? Do non-Christians eat? Does that make it wrong for you to eat? And if it is wrong to do what non-Christians do, do you condemn all those in the OT who are stated as doing this (but NONE are EVER rebuked in the OT for doing so)? It's just a silly, silly strawman of yours. And thus you always avoid any posts that point this out.
IF that means we can't do anything that non-Christians do, then stop posting on the internet, stop eating, stop sleeping, stop driving, stop singing, stop watching TV and movies. You're good at creating absurd strawmen that obviously even you don't believe or accept or practice.
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lol sorry i must laugh - you a dishonestly raising an argument i have not ever raised and then refuting that argument - that is what a strawman argument is Josiah -look it up .
oh you are a twister of words aren't you .let me use your capitol color emboldened shouting method to point out your rather blatant lie ..yes i said lie LAmmchen .. I call it what it is .
hers your claim # 1
. Applying ashes as a sign of repentance dates to no earlier than 1000 years after Jesus. This has been prove to be entirely false (although you've ignored that, perhaps not reading the posts)= this is FALSE .. i said the practice of ASH WEDNESDAY was not adopted by the RCC until about (aprox) 1000 years ago .. do try to read what i say not what you want to see. - but you knew i said that .you just have a habit of purposely misrepresenting what is said to manipulate your point . -its also called lying.
you need to cut it out .
and # 2..is another lie . i have never said it is not in the bible .. actualy i have said if you do it according to how it is mentioned in scripture you would also sit on the ground wearing sackcloth eating nothing for days and throw ashe on your head weeping in shame for sin .. not applying a little ash cross carefully to your forehead while wearing your sunday best .. (not sure where they got the idea to put an ash cross of thier forehead 2000 years before the roman empire existed . )
nope - i said the practice of "ASH wednesday" is not in the scripture and is of pagan origin.. this is simply a historic point that won't go away just becaseu you dont like me pointing it out .
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the practice of Ash wednesday originates from pagan worship -thats a simple fact - get over it.,its not going to change .
some have taken it and repainted it to thier own practice -but God did not instruct us to ever do this . no where in his word does he say
imitate the practices of the world - rather he says be NOT conformed to the world
it was only included in the rcc about 1000 years ago..
and has no scriptural basis nor direct unambiguous directive .
your defending a non scriptural tradition that has no origin in Godliness -- and your doing so because man taught you to . God didn't .(that should bother you ,as it makes you {by "you " i refer to any reader who practices it } a follower of man instead of a follower of the Lord JEsus - and HE SAID -you cannot serve two masters -. which one do you love the most ?
since we are called to take up the cross and lay down our own lives (relinquish our will in order to do HIS will ) and doing so is our reasonable service of worship to god .. we do best by forsaking such worldly customs -
as it is written
"Therefore I urge you, brethren, by the mercies of God, to present your bodies a living and holy sacrifice, acceptable to God, which is your spiritual service of worship. 2And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, so that you may prove what the will of God is, that which is good and acceptable and perfect.…"
conforming ourselves to the world or the worlds ways to us ..is ,in every manner, carnal in nature and could not be further from "spiritual worship " ,, and also as it is written "those who worship him must do so IN SPIRIT and in truth . not in outward carnal man made world imitating rituals.