Evangelical Only Ash wednesday -Odins day .. Interesting information regarding the practice

[Alithis]

This is the most hilarious thing I've heard for someone to say Jesus did not observe Ash Wednesday! hehe You DO know that Ash Wednesday wasn't even a practice until after Jesus' death and resurrection because it's meant as a reflection and only came to be AFTER he died? Or maybe you don't know that since you said he didn't observe it? I'm still laughing because Lent is to remember Jesus death and our own mortality and we are humbled and no it isn't something that people have to do and there is so much focus on Jesus which is what we want right?

Firstly ..The lord Jesus told the apostles to go and make deciples commanding them to observe everything HE commanded.
He never told them to observe Odins day.odin is a false god .it has many names all linked to sun worship.

Secondly even the rcc is not known to adopt the practice until about 1000 years after constantine.

Thirdly lent is an ancient fast historically
recorded as being observed more then 500 years before the birth of christ... It preceded the
Worship of the demon istar ..from where the word easter is derived.We don't honor
The lord jesus by adopting things practiced by demon worshippers.

Jesus said "if you love me you will keep MY commands.."
Show me where he commanded us to observe a day of honour to a demon.? !

 

[Brighten04]

This is the most hilarious thing I've heard for someone to say Jesus did not observe Ash Wednesday! hehe You DO know that Ash Wednesday wasn't even a practice until after Jesus' death and resurrection because it's meant as a reflection and only came to be AFTER he died? Or maybe you don't know that since you said he didn't observe it? I'm still laughing because Lent is to remember Jesus death and our own mortality and we are humbled and no it isn't something that people have to do and there is so much focus on Jesus which is what we want right?

Yeah, that was funny wasn't it.:rotfl: Yes I know some of the reason why it is done. My point was the specific instruction from our Lord. We do lots of things according to tradition, such as Christmas and Easter. Which nothing is written against that. But Lord Jesus gave a specific command that the practice of putting ashes on the face disobeys.

 

[Alithis]

Yeah, that was funny wasn't it.:rotfl: Yes I know some of the reason why it is done. My point was the specific instruction from our Lord. We do lots of things according to tradition, such as Christmas and Easter. Which nothing is written against that. But Lord Jesus gave a specific command that the practice of putting ashes on the face disobeys.

it is however time more beleivers spent half as much time doing what the lord HAS told us to do and spending less time on things he hasn't told us to do .. and in some cases has forbidden us to partake of .

when we spend time reading the scripture and searching the scripture ..we are able to take things we are taught externally and "see if these things are so" //

if more deciples of the lord JEsus did this they would not be led off the path into all manner of Godless practices

 

[psalms 91]

Firstly ..The lord Jesus told the apostles to go and make deciples commanding them to observe everything HE commanded.
He never told them to observe Odins day.odin is a false god .it has many names all linked to sun worship.

Secondly even the rcc is not known to adopt the practice until about 1000 years after constantine.

Thirdly lent is an ancient fast historically
recorded as being observed more then 500 years before the birth of christ... It preceded the
Worship of the demon istar ..from where the word easter is derived.We don't honor
The lord jesus by adopting things practiced by demon worshippers.

Jesus said "if you love me you will keep MY commands.."
Show me where he commanded us to observe a day of honour to a demon.? !

agree with this just never knew the history of it and always thought it was to remind us of Christs death and the forgiveness of sin

 

[Brighten04]

Firstly ..The lord Jesus told the apostles to go and make deciples commanding them to observe everything HE commanded.
He never told them to observe Odins day.odin is a false god .it has many names all linked to sun worship.

Secondly even the rcc is not known to adopt the practice until about 1000 years after constantine.

Thirdly lent is an ancient fast historically
recorded as being observed more then 500 years before the birth of christ... It preceded the
Worship of the demon istar ..from where the word easter is derived.We don't honor
The lord jesus by adopting things practiced by demon worshippers.

Jesus said "if you love me you will keep MY commands.."
Show me where he commanded us to observe a day of honour to a demon.? !

:thinkerg:ding, ding,ding. Maybe this is why Lord Jesus forbade the practice.

 

[Tigger]

Wow the subject is about anointing the forehead with ashes not fasting.

And! If my system of interpretation is flawed because I don't believe I have to put ashes on my face and hands, then so be it. When Lord Jesus tells me I have to do it, then I will.

Matt.6:16 Moreover when ye fast, be not, as the hypocrites, of a sad countenance: for they disfigure their faces, that they may appear unto men to fast. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.

17 But thou, when thou fastest, anoint thine head, and wash thy face;

18 That thou appear not unto men to fast, but unto thy Father which is in secret: and thy Father, which seeth in secret, shall reward thee openly.

 

[Brighten04]

Wow the subject is about anointing the forehead with ashes not fasting.

Ash Wednesday is the first day of Lent right?

 

[Tigger]

Ash Wednesday is the first day of Lent right?

That verse has nothing to do with marking your forehead with a mark (tav) as the LORD set as a precedence.

 

[Alithis]

:thinkerg:ding, ding,ding. Maybe this is why Lord Jesus forbade the practice.

could well be ..

also in the true fashion of "repentant " crying to God they wore sackcloth and cast "dust " on their heads to humiliate themselves .. quite the opposite of applying ash for spiritual protection by the false demon gods .

the practice of using ash was from the worship of the ashtoreths and the baals .( astaroth ,from canaan district .. is also Isis from egypt .. also called ishtar from rome and is the origin of the word Easter .

 

[Alithis]

That verse has nothing to do with marking your forehead with a mark (tav) as the LORD set as a precedence.

he did no such thing .. we've already covered the text in ezekiel which has nothing to do with what your presenting .

 

[Tigger]

he did no such thing .. we've already covered the text in ezekiel which has nothing to do with what your presenting .

Ezekiel 9:4 the LORD said "put a mark (tav) on their foreheads.....

 

[Brighten04]

Ezekiel 9:4 the LORD said "put a mark (tav) on their foreheads.....

He did not say put ashes on the forehead. Lord Jesus said Wash you face.

 

[Alithis]

Ezekiel 9:4 the LORD said "put a mark (tav) on their foreheads.....

yes ..i posted the entire text of ezekiel already.. it has NOTHING to do with ash wednesday or lent ...

feel free to go back and read it

 

[TurtleHare]

And! If my system of interpretation is flawed because I don't believe I have to put ashes on my face and hands, then so be it. When Lord Jesus tells me I have to do it, then I will.

Matt.6:16 Moreover when ye fast, be not, as the hypocrites, of a sad countenance: for they disfigure their faces, that they may appear unto men to fast. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.

17 But thou, when thou fastest, anoint thine head, and wash thy face;

18 That thou appear not unto men to fast, but unto thy Father which is in secret: and thy Father, which seeth in secret, shall reward thee openly.

Jesus isn't forbidding the custom of fasting or with wearing ash at all because look at the verse and you'll see that he's condemning the hypocrites who do things just to be noticed. Ash Wednesday isn't where Christians do things just to be noticed and they aren't disfiguring their faces as the verse indicates.

I got mine on the back of my hand anyway and I didn't post it on my Facebook wall or show it off to anyone or make myself look glum so I think I'm okay.

 

[Josiah]

It amazes me how some modern American and Australian "Evangelicals" keep inventing all these RULES. Rules, rules, rules, rules, rules. "Thou mayest NOT permit ashes to be placed on one's forehead!!!!" Always seems to be yet more rules. But the very same people will stress that ANY rule NOT specifically stated in SCRIPTURE is wrong, probably Catholic and thus condemnable.

http://www.christianityhaven.com/showthread.php?1523-Anti-Catholicism-Anti-Protestantism



- Josiah

 

[Brighten04]

Jesus isn't forbidding the custom of fasting or with wearing ash at all because look at the verse and you'll see that he's condemning the hypocrites who do things just to be noticed. Ash Wednesday isn't where Christians do things just to be noticed and they aren't disfiguring their faces as the verse indicates.

I got mine on the back of my hand anyway and I didn't post it on my Facebook wall or show it off to anyone or make myself look glum so I think I'm okay.

No He is not forbidding the custom of fasting. But putting ashes on the face He does forbid.He was instructing to not do the things that the hypocrites do, like putting ashes on your face. He specifically said wash your face. Why that instruction? Because putting ashes on the face during fasting was a common practice in His day.Sackcloth and ashes ring a bell? You will find the term sackcloth and ashes all through the OT. But Jesus brought the NT and he said stop it. I know it is tradition. But follow the instruction given by the Lord Jesus Himself rather than the tradition imposed by men. Set yourself free.

 

[Tigger]

yes ..i posted the entire text of ezekiel already.. it has NOTHING to do with ash wednesday or lent ...

feel free to go back and read it

I've made it clear for the LORD setting the precedent for making the forehead whether they choose to do it on Ash Wednesday or any other day. You can't show biblically otherwise.

 

[Alithis]

I've made it clear for the LORD setting the precedent for making the forehead whether they choose to do it on Ash Wednesday or any other day. You can't show biblically otherwise.

that is a falsified presentation of scripture .. the mark ezekiel speaks of is a mark put on the head by an angel of the lord under the direct command of the Lord .

the practice of ash odin's day , a false demon god, is a practice that is utterly pagan in origin ,it has no scriptural foundation .. your twisting scriptures to fit a man made pagan practice which originates from demon worship . the practice was being done hundreds and hundreds f years before the arrival of the lord JEsus it has NOTHING to do with the LOrd JESUS .. but hey , lets not let truth get in the way of beloved traditions right ?

 

[Brighten04]

that is a falsified presentation of scripture .. the mark ezekiel speaks of is a mark put on the head by an angel of the lord under the direct command of the Lord .

the practice of ash odin's day , a false demon god, is a practice that is utterly pagan in origin ,it has no scriptural foundation .. your twisting scriptures to fit a man made pagan practice which originates from demon worship . the practice was being done hundreds and hundreds f years before the arrival of the lord JEsus it has NOTHING to do with the LOrd JESUS .. but hey , lets not let truth get in the way of beloved traditions right ?

And the Lord's command to wash your face should never,ever get in the way of long standing traditional rituals.

 

[Alithis]

lol well we are warned of those who teach traditions as doctrines . its not of the spirit of god to do so .

but lets allow balance -the reference to washing your face is in regard to "fasting " -to wash and be modest about the fact your fasting rather then gaining praise from others. (and the reference to fasting is the reason you referred to the verse) being that the practice leads into the so called time of lent . sadly "lent " originates from an even more despicable pagan practice and also has no scriptural origin nor directive in God .(though fasting does )
but neither washing the face in respect to this topic , Nor using embarrassingly ambiguous out of context reference to placing ash on the face .. can justify that the entire practice is absolute in its demonic origin and has no place in the body of christ .