All About Faith

[YourTruthGod]

John was addressing adults...

Adults raise children in the Church...

Or not...


Arsenios

You are all around it but avoid the obvious.

No parent can repent for their child.

 

[YourTruthGod]

Households include children...

And there is no Scripture forbidding the Baptism of Children...

"Suffer the little children unto Me..."

Christ's very words...

The Disciples falsely thought like you do...

For myself,
I join with every other self-respecting adult
in the settled knowledge
that unpunished children
are the BANE
of adult existence...

And the floggings will continue...
Until morale improves!


Arsenios

Some households do not have children.

Now try not to lean to the left or to the right of the written Word.

We are to believe and obey to receive the Holy Spirit.

Cornelius and his household were God fearing and righteous.

Now an infant cannot fear God and do anything.

Stop adding and subtracting to God's Word.

 

[Josiah]

God says repent and believe then receive the Holy Spirit.

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Just to be sure.... are you saying there's a chronological and sequential mandate here? FIRST the unregenerate unbeliever must repent to God (Repent: To acknowledge God's lordship and wisdom, to acknowledge and confess we have gone against that, turn to Christ for forgiveness, use the empowering of the Holy Spirit to walk in a new way).... SECOND we need to create faith in ourselves and give it to ourselves.... THEN, after all that is completely, THEN God starts to do something, namely, His first action, giving us the Holy Spirit? Answer that.

Then please give the Bible reference to the verse, "First you must repent, then after that believe, then after that receive the Holy Spirit." I don't recognize that verse; please share the reference for that.




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[YourTruthGod]

Just to be sure.... are you saying there's a chronological and sequential mandate here? FIRST the unregenerate unbeliever must repent to God (Repent: To acknowledge God's lordship and wisdom, to acknowledge and confess we have gone against that, turn to Christ for forgiveness, use the empowering of the Holy Spirit to walk in a new way).... SECOND we need to create faith in ourselves and give it to ourselves.... THEN, after all that is completely, THEN God starts to do something, namely, His first action, giving us the Holy Spirit? Answer that.

Then please give the Bible reference to the verse, "First you must repent, then after that believe, then after that receive the Holy Spirit." I don't recognize that verse; please share the reference for that.




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It isn't so difficult.

 

[Josiah]

Just to be sure.... are you saying there's a chronological and sequential mandate here? FIRST the unregenerate unbeliever must repent to God (Repent: To acknowledge God's lordship and wisdom, to acknowledge and confess we have gone against that, turn to Christ for forgiveness, use the empowering of the Holy Spirit to walk in a new way).... SECOND we need to create faith in ourselves and give it to ourselves.... THEN, after all that is completely, THEN God starts to do something, namely, His first action, giving us the Holy Spirit? Answer that, please.

Then please give the Bible reference to the verse, "First you must repent, then after that believe, then after that receive the Holy Spirit." I don't recognize that verse; please share the reference for that.


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It isn't so difficult.

Then answer the question and supply the request.




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[YourTruthGod]

Then answer the question and supply the request.




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What do you say God says, and give the scripture or scriptures that prove it.

 

[Josiah]

What do you say God says, and give the scripture or scriptures that prove it.

Yes. I'm asking you about what you posted. Share if I'm understanding your position (should be easy) and then share the verse (should be easy; you said it was easy)

 

[YourTruthGod]

Yes. I'm asking you about what you posted. Share if I'm understanding your position (should be easy) and then share the verse (should be easy; you said it was easy)

Speak to me according to the scriptures.

Show the scripture that says to give the name of three people to prove we have to believe and obey to get saved.

 

[Arsenios]

In any case, Arsenios suggested we explain what we mean as we use terms,
and I showed him that I do.
Unlike most.
Of course, the post was ignored.
- Josiah
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Sorry I missed it...

I had arrived at a point with your posts where I stopped reading them as soon as I ran into the dead man repenting rant...


Arsenios

 

[Arsenios]

Do you see all your excuses?

Do you see all your accusations?

You are hurling accusations...

I say God in the Bible says to obey Him.

You did not say that - You ORDERED ME to obey God...

Double bind oxymoronocism...

You did not merely inform me that God in the Bible says obey Him...

You say, "I don't have to obey you."

Which is THE correct response...

I say God in the Bible says do not bow in front of the works of your hands

You accused me of doing so...

You say but they are holy pictures.

I said the the Iconography of the Ekklesia of God is not ONLY the works of our hands...

They are a part of the Holy Things of God...

I say God says not to call your brothers in Christ 'father'.
You say Paul says he was a father.

You got that one right - And you had no answer...

So many excuses you have not to obey God.

You can tell it to Paul...

Hurling rapid-fire accusations over the internet is not what Christians are called to do...

Don't you agree?

You need to think about what YOU say to another person...
Isn't that how it works...?
What one is falsely accused of...
Is exactly what the false accuser is doing...
He claimed Spiritual Fatherhood...

Your very own words...


Arsenios

 

[Arsenios]

Some households do not have children.

Birth control was not then what it is now, you know...

Now try not to lean to the left or to the right of the written Word.

Do you want me to obey YOU???

We are to believe and obey to receive the Holy Spirit.

The acquisition of the Holy Spirit is a lifetime endeavor...

Cornelius and his household were God fearing and righteous.

His prayers had reached on High...

Yet he was not yet Baptized into Christ...

Now an infant cannot fear God and do anything.

But her parents can...

Stop adding and subtracting to God's Word.

Getting bossy again?

I thought I was supposed to obey Christ!

Why are you trying to usurp Christ's authority??


Arsenios

 

[Josiah]

Show the scripture that says to give the name of three people to prove we have to believe and obey to get saved.

You seem to either be running from what you posted or unaware of what you posted or regard yourself unaccountable for what you posted....

You stated God elects those who OBEY and love him.

So... the unbeliever, the unregenerate, the one WITHOUT faith or spiritual life or the Holy Spirit, the one NOT born again.... you say God doesn't do ANYTHING.... hasn't even determined to do anything.... UNTIL that unbelieving, non-Christian OBEYS and LOVES Jesus.

Okay. Then either are are non-Christians, non-believers, unregenrate people who love and obey Jesus - and thus are among those whom God COULD theoretically decide to do something with OR there are no persons on the planet whom God can even decide to do anything which. Those are the only two options, there are no other.

So, can you name at least 3 unbelieving persons on the planet whom are potential candidates for God to save (and it should be easy to name 3 among 5.5 billion) or your theology is wrong.

Which is it?


BTW, you've not even ATTEMPTED to verify that YOU obey God or have EVER obeyed God - and yet you claim to have been saved. How can that be? You claim none can even be considered one who can be saved UNLESS they love and obey God. Did you when you were an unbeliever? Do you even now? I gave just 5 commands of God (off the top of my head, there are literally thousands in the Bible) and asked if you have obeyed even just those 5? You haven't responded. Well, give us the names of just 3 unbelievers, 3 non-Christians who LOVE and OBEY God and according to you would thus be potential candidates for God to decide to do something with (save or anything else).

 

[Arsenios]

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So, can you name at least 3 unbelieving persons on the planet
whom are potential candidates for God to save
(and it should be easy to name 3 among 5.5 billion)
or your theology is wrong.

I answered this once - Naming only my old atheist self...

Then I answered again - Every unsaved person on earth...

God called a Muslim to the Priesthood of the Orthodox Faith...

He kept praying to God to know him...

One day God came to him in prayer:

"I am Whom you are seeking..."

He cried for a long time...


Arsenios

 

[Arsenios]

No parent can repent for their child.

Children want their own way...

Parents impose the parental way...

Christian parents the Christian Way...

We pray...


Arsenios

 

[Arsenios]

I was not speaking of this lifetime,
but of Glorification in Heaven
when God redeems His possessions.

At that time, both the Living and the dead will have been judged...

Some of the Living to condemnation...

Some of the dead to Glorification...

What is essential to keep in this context is that Salvation in Christ is in THIS life...

You are claiming baptized infants are IN CHRIST
and have the Holy Spirit,
so I am asking about the deposit of EPH 1:13-14.
Do the baptized infants have the deposit?
Can they lose the deposit?

Yes and yes...

But the Church teaches that the Seal of the Holy Spirit is tenacious...
One would about have to become a Satanist to lose it...

But the losing of the Salvation given in Baptism...
Is a very easy thing to lose...
Just embrace sin...
You will find departure from God...

And you will be tempted...
Christ was tempted after His Baptism...
Temptation is a refining fire...
The Mystery of Evil...


Arsenios

 

[Arsenios]

Our Pascha Liturgy begins in one hour at midnight...

Christ is Risen!

Truly He is Risen!

And the 54 day Great Fast of Lent is broken around 1:30 AM...

Meat and dairy again on the table!

Butter and milk and eggs and bacon!

But first, the Liturgy of Pascha...

Christ IS the Passover...

The Paschal Lamb...


Arsenios

 

[MoreCoffee]

Our Pascha Liturgy begins in one hour at midnight...

I am curious to know why Your Psscha Liturgy starts today, 28-April-2019. when Catholic Easter was on 21-April-2019 and Jewish Passover 2019 was celebrated from April 19-April 27. Your Pascha seems to be a full week too late, why is that so?

Christ is Risen!

Truly He is Risen!

And the 54 day Great Fast of Lent is broken around 1:30 AM...

Meat and dairy again on the table!

Butter and milk and eggs and bacon!

But first, the Liturgy of Pascha...

Christ IS the Passover...

The Paschal Lamb...


Arsenios

Amen Christ is risen indeed. Let all God's people rejoice in their resurrection because Christ is risen.

 

[Arsenios]

I am curious to know why Your Psscha Liturgy starts today, 28-April-2019. when Catholic Easter was on 21-April-2019 and Jewish Passover 2019 was celebrated from April 19-April 27. Your Pascha seems to be a full week too late, why is that so?

We can be further apart that a mere week!

We calculate the date of Pascha differently - The old way...

Yours is the modern, and dare I say, more scientific calculation...

We do some "new calendar" datings, but those of us who do so, at least those who are old-fashioned fuddy duddies like me, wish we were on the "old calendar" where, for instance, the Nativity of Christ is celebrated January 7th, instead of Dec 25th...

Last year we had the same date for Pascha as Rome did for Easter, and who knows what next year will bring!

Meanwhile the lamb is on slow roast in the oven and covered - A 5 hour endeavor...


Arsenios

 

[YourTruthGod]

Children want their own way...

Parents impose the parental way...

Christian parents the Christian Way...

We pray...


Arsenios

God says we have to believe and repent. No one can repent and believe for you.

You know that is true but you speak untruths regardless.

 

[YourTruthGod]

You seem to either be running from what you posted or unaware of what you posted or regard yourself unaccountable for what you posted....

You don't seem to be in falseness, you definitely are. You think wrong about a lot of things.

You stated God elects those who OBEY and love him.

It is what God says.

Proverbs 8:17 I love those who love me,

John 14:21 The person who has my commandments and obeys them is the one who loves me. The one who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I will love him and will reveal myself to him."

John 14:23 Jesus replied, “Anyone who loves me will obey my teaching. My Father will love them, and we will come to them and make our home with them.

So... the unbeliever, the unregenerate, the one WITHOUT faith or spiritual life or the Holy Spirit, the one NOT born again.... you say God doesn't do ANYTHING.... hasn't even determined to do anything.... UNTIL that unbelieving, non-Christian OBEYS and LOVES Jesus.

God does NOT supernaturally put faith in your heart to believe when you do not.
Nowhere anywhere in the Bible does it say God does that.

GIVE THE SCRIPTURE NOW that say what you say. Give the scripture now that says God, with the Holy Spirit, causes people to believe and obey while they hate Him.

Your beliefs and teaching is made up. It is from making up things and God warns you not to do that.

Faith is from God, from reading His powerful message, the Bible, the New Testament. It has the powerful message that saves. We do not get faith supernaturally, as many teach, but we get faith in a very human way, from reading the supernatural message!

Our faith comes from HEARING the word, see Romans 10:17. From hearing the word and being TAUGHT, Colossians 1:5, 7. From continuing in what we have been CONVINCED of, see 2 Timothy 3:14, and being PERSUADED, 2 Corinthians 5:11.

That is where our faith comes from. Now stop preaching your stories about God supernaturally causing us to believe and obey. Repent of your sin of believing and preaching falseness. You are an enemy of God when you preach falseness. Paul says may you be accursed. We are told that it is from demons.

Galatians 1:8 But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let them be under God's curse!

2 Corinthians 11:13 For such people are false apostles, deceitful workers, masquerading as apostles of Christ. 14 And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light. 15 It is not surprising, then, if his servants also masquerade as servants of righteousness. Their end will be what their actions deserve.

1 Timothy 4:1 The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons.

Okay. Then either are are non-Christians, non-believers, unregenrate people who love and obey Jesus - and thus are among those whom God COULD theoretically decide to do something with OR there are no persons on the planet whom God can even decide to do anything which. Those are the only two options, there are no other.

God saves those He accepts and when He accepts.

Acts 10:35 but that in every nation those who fear Him and live good lives are acceptable to Him.

Acts 15:8 God, who knows the heart, showed that he accepted them by giving the Holy Spirit to them, just as he did to us.

So, can you name at least 3 unbelieving persons on the planet whom are potential candidates for God to save (and it should be easy to name 3 among 5.5 billion) or your theology is wrong.

I don't know all people. Only God does. Are you unstable? You are unstable to ask me such a question.

Which is it?


BTW, you've not even ATTEMPTED to verify that YOU obey God or have EVER obeyed God - and yet you claim to have been saved.

I am here to talk about the written Word of God. I don't have to talk about myself personally.

Now get back to the scriptures.

Give the scripture that says what you believe and teach.

Give the scripture that says we get faith supernaturally without our wanting or knowing.

Show that God chooses to give faith to those who reject Him so that they no longer reject Him.

How can that be? You claim none can even be considered one who can be saved UNLESS they love and obey God.

I gave the scriptures that plainly say that. You just reject the truth.

Did you when you were an unbeliever? Do you even now? I gave just 5 commands of God (off the top of my head, there are literally thousands in the Bible) and asked if you have obeyed even just those 5? You haven't responded. Well, give us the names of just 3 unbelievers, 3 non-Christians who LOVE and OBEY God and according to you would thus be potential candidates for God to decide to do something with (save or anything else).

Jesus tells us what we have to do to get saved. You just have to do it and find out for yourself.