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That's a lame argument though. We don't have to only focus on the cause to make policies that help alleviate a problem. For example tens of thousands of people die each year in traffic collisions. It's not necessary for us to only "address the cause" of why people tend to crash into one another. We can also focus on mitigating harm. Doing this with vehicles has worked. Because we now require licences to drive, enforce speed limits, drunk driving laws, seatbelts, and airbags in cars, the number of fatalities has fallen to far less than half of what it was decades ago before these policies. Naturally the problems (and root causes) of road/vehicle danger still exist, but over 20,000 fewer Americans die each year compared to before these policies.

What's lame? The argument you are making.

Accidents are events that are not intended. Speed limits, licenses, driving laws, seat belts, airbags etc are all measures to either curb the number of accidents or to reduce the harm to people who get into them, with the correct assumption that most people are not going to purposely use their vehicle as a weapon against others with risk to both parties.

Murder is not an accident, it's an intentional act. The argument you are attempting to make would be the equivalent of setting up a new speed law to curb the violence of people who were using their cars to purposely ram into each other at high speeds.


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That's a lame argument though. We don't have to only focus on the cause to make policies that help alleviate a problem. For example tens of thousands of people die each year in traffic collisions. It's not necessary for us to only "address the cause" of why people tend to crash into one another. We can also focus on mitigating harm. Doing this with vehicles has worked. Because we now require licences to drive, enforce speed limits, drunk driving laws, seatbelts, and airbags in cars, the number of fatalities has fallen to far less than half of what it was decades ago before these policies. Naturally the problems (and root causes) of road/vehicle danger still exist, but over 20,000 fewer Americans die each year compared to before these policies.

It's not a lame argument at all.

To reduce road fatalities a number of measures have been adopted - seatbelts being an obvious example. The extent to which these measures help or hinder is often the subject of discussion - sometimes people have a reduced perception of danger and adapt their behavior accordingly. For example, if people are prone to skid off the road on icy bends a manufacturer might put traction control in their vehicles to reduce the incidence of such accidents. Which is all well and good, until people take up the slack and end up having the same accident but at higher speeds.

Transferring some of these ideas to the issue of firearms sees things like background checks prior to buying a gun, like bans on felons owning guns, and so on. That sort of thing is already in place. Machine guns are almost entirely banned (you can get them but they are hugely expensive and require a more detailed background check and licensing), although the way the left-wing press talks you'd be forgiven for thinking you could just saunter into Wal-Mart and leave within 10 minutes armed with a fully automatic rifle and no questions asked.

It would not be as easy or likely to mass murder children in a school with these methods. Right now the tool being used is guns so that's the current problem that needs solutions. If children are hitting each other with sticks would a parent say, "well I guess there's nothing I can do, because they hypothetically could be throwing rocks or stabbing each other with screwdrivers, so I'll just sit here and think about the root cause of them hitting each other with sticks. "

The question still needs to come back to how to mitigate harm without imposing upon the rights of millions of law-abiding citizens. When someone drives when drunk and kills an innocent road user we don't call to ban alcohol and we don't call to ban motor vehicles, we deal with the errant individual. We accept that millions of law-abiding citizens operate their vehicles every day in a manner that doesn't recklessly endanger others, so we don't seek to restrict them. But when a gun is concerned, suddenly the gun is the problem.

The background check system is completely lacking and does not accomplish any of the items on my list. As soon as someone commits a violent crime, any firearms registered to them need to be collected by law enforcement. Not just past crimes at the time of purchase.

This is the sort of thing that's all well and good in theory but likely to fail in practise. How would you stop someone from registering guns in the name of someone else? Another problem with the issue of felons and gun ownership is that under the 5th Amendment a felon cannot be required to disclose their ownership of firearms, as they have the right to refuse to incriminate themselves. It would make more sense that if someone commits a violent crime they go to prison, in which case their access to firearms or otherwise ceases to be relevant for several years.

Again that's not an argument. Just because other things can be used to kill people doesn't mean mass killing incidents and fatalities can't be drastically reduced. Essentially you're claiming that unless all causes of murder can be completely avoided, then nothing should ever be done.

It is an argument, and a valid one. After the attack on the Boston Marathon nobody was calling for a ban on pressure cookers - it was rightly recognised that the problem wasn't the pressure cooker but the evil person who turned it into a bomb. In London in the late 1990s there was a spate of nail bomb attacks, mostly aimed at gay bars in the West End. Nobody called for a ban on dirt, or a ban on nails, or a ban on backpacks, it was understood that the problem was an evil person using inanimate objects to cause harm. When the perpetrator of the Nice attack drove a truck into a crowd nobody claimed that anyone with a driving license was tacitly supporting murder, nobody said trucks should be banned, the focus was on the individual who drove the truck. Yet when a gun is used suddenly the problem is the gun, not the person doing evil things with the gun.

Many of the anti-gun arguments are little more than appeals to emotion. Things like "your guns are killing our children", which are so demonstrably untrue it's not funny. I have a friend who has a gun safe with probably a dozen rifles and a dozen handguns in it. His guns aren't killing children - somehow he manages to get through each day without executing anybody. A gun is an inanimate object, the problem is the people doing evil things with them. And an associated problem is those, typically on the left of the political spectrum, who turn every issue that relates to guns into an excuse to try and ban guns, while ignoring the millions of people who own firearms without doing anything stupid with them.

If banning guns is the answer to school shootings then logically banning motor vehicles is even more important as the answer to fatalities on the road. One difference there is that the exhaust fumes from cars, especially in city areas, is also dangerous whereas guns don't produce toxic emissions the way cars do.

Maybe that's the answer. We can all go back to living like the Amish. I'm sure the "if it saves one life it's worth it" brigade would love to give up their cars, you know, to save lives.


As you can probably figure, I'm not claiming that we should do nothing unless we can prevent all murders. I'm saying that any attempt to reduce evil activity needs to be balanced against the rights of the law-abiding. If we were all locked up in solitary confinement all day every day there would be no more murders at all, and no more rape, and no more mugging, and no more theft, and no more drunk driving, and so on. But I don't see people calling for that sort of solution, because it's a ridiculous imposition upon those who have done nothing wrong. Likewise, taking guns away from millions of law-abiding citizens is a totally disproportionate and inappropriate response to the problem of school shootings.
 

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What's lame? The argument you are making.

Accidents are events that are not intended. Speed limits, licenses, driving laws, seat belts, airbags etc are all measures to either curb the number of accidents or to reduce the harm to people who get into them, with the correct assumption that most people are not going to purposely use their vehicle as a weapon against others with risk to both parties.

Murder is not an accident, it's an intentional act. The argument you are attempting to make would be the equivalent of setting up a new speed law to curb the violence of people who were using their cars to purposely ram into each other at high speeds.


Here's some help for you: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_equivalence
I used the vehicle comparison specifically to demonstrate that the root cause of a deadly public safety problem doesn't have to be the focus of policy solutions. Instead mitigating harm is also effective. There is no equivalency being made between those two topics beyond that specific point.

An actual false equivalency would be these repeated statements comparing violence with guns to violence with bombs and trucks and arguing that since access to common household items can't be regulated then therefore access to firearms can't be regulated either.

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The extent to which these measures help or hinder is often the subject of discussion
Not really. There is a direct correlation between the introduction of those policies and corresponding drastic decline in deaths.

The question still needs to come back to how to mitigate harm without imposing upon the rights of millions of law-abiding citizens.
There is no immutable right to a firearm.

This is the sort of thing that's all well and good in theory but likely to fail in practise.
It would require concerted and sustained institutionalized effort like it does with automobile titles and driver's licenses. Law abiding citizens interested in avoiding an eventual blanket ban on guns should get behind any effort to create a robust nationwide system of licensure.

After the attack on the Boston Marathon nobody was calling for a ban on pressure cookers
You keep making this same inane point as if it were a convincing one. Bombs can be constructed from any number of common household items. And guns are mass produced by corporations and have the singular purpose of killing things. So one is POSSIBLE to reduce and limit access to and the other is not.

If mass murderers in US are forced to move from using guns to making bombs, that will require a completely different set of precautionary efforts.


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Not really. There is a direct correlation between the introduction of those policies and corresponding drastic decline in deaths.

True enough but, as Stravinsk said further up, there's a big difference between reducing deaths when dealing with people who aren't trying to kill, and reducing deaths when dealing with people who are trying to kill. Given most people get into a vehicle planning nothing more nefarious than driving to their destination and arriving intact without killing anyone along the way it's much easier. In the same way most people use their firearm for sport of some nature, planning nothing more nefarious than shooting a deer or a target and finally putting their gun away having not killed anyone with it. It's the few who do stupid things that are the problem, and they are a problem whether they use a firearm or a vehicle or a rock to kill.

There is no immutable right to a firearm.

Now you're getting into opinions and presenting them as facts. The right to protect yourself from those who would harm you has to be a fundamental human right, no? Access to effective weapons to do this is a matter of self-preservation and equality.

It would require concerted and sustained institutionalized effort like it does with automobile titles and driver's licenses. Law abiding citizens interested in avoiding an eventual blanket ban on guns should get behind any effort to create a robust nationwide system of licensure.

Law-abiding citizens probably would get behind a scheme that was likely to work without being intrusive. The trouble is that after an event like the most recent one in Florida there is so much emotional garbage pumped out there, so much emotional hand-wringing that Something Must Be Done, and so much emotional blackmail that failing to support any proposal, however absurd, is tantamount to supporting child murder, that it's hard to have a sensible discussion on the matter.

I can't speak for other states but from talking to friends in Pennsylvania it appears that handguns are subject to an instant background check whereby an individual requests a specific firearm, which is then approved (or not) by the state police. Then the receipt is kept by the dealer showing the details of the purchaser and the details (including serial number) of the handgun.

You keep making this same inane point as if it were a convincing one. Bombs can be constructed from any number of common household items. And guns are mass produced by corporations and have the singular purpose of killing things. So one is POSSIBLE to reduce and limit access to and the other is not.

And you like calling my point inane without actually addressing it. The problem is dangerous people, not potentially dangerous objects. In the UK there was a school shooting that was met by a knee-jerk reaction to ban guns. In the immediate aftermath of the gun ban, gun crime went up. Then the bad guys shifted from using guns to using knives, so the law got more and more strict until now the rules on what you are allowed to carry are absurd. A pocket knife that I routinely carry when I am in the US and that people barely notice when I use, would get me automatic jail time in the UK. And that creates a totally asymmetric enforcement issue.

To Doug the Thug, whose rap sheet includes burglary, street robbery, mugging, and maybe a rape or two, adding charges relating to possession of an offensive weapon might as well be a parking ticket. He isn't going to care about that. But to his middle-class professional victims, possession of an offensive weapon is the kind of charge that ends their career. So Doug the Thug gets more or less free rein to terrorise his victims, knowing they are almost certainly going to be helpless to fight back. So the law notionally designed to protect people ends up protecting the wrong people.

Of course the fundamental difference is the nature of assumptions that are made. In the US the assumption is generally that most people aren't going to do anything stupid with their weapon, whether it be a firearm or a knife or anything else. And for the most part this assumption is true - if lawful gun owners were the problem then the country would be knee deep in blood by now. Sadly every once in a while somebody does something stupid, resulting in ever-more emotional appeals that Something Must Be Done. In the UK the assumption is that if you give someone a big stick they will go and hit someone else with it, which simply isn't the case for most people. And so the law-abiding are more or less denied any legal options for self-defence while Doug the Thug cares little for the consequences of breaking the law. If Doug the Thug wants to be inventive he can trade his knife for an aggressive dog, intimidating his victims (still knowing they can do little to fight back) and yet retaining the ability to claim that the dog escaped his grip or similar.

If guns are produced with the sole purpose of killing things, perhaps the times I've been out shooting bits of paper were against the rules? Maybe my friend who helps run a pistol club should be told he's wasting his time shooting targets because his guns are there to kill. I know a few people who own guns and aside from hunting (with appropriate licensing, tags etc) not a single one of them has any plans to kill anything. When I carry my pocket knife in the US (the one that would most likely get me jail time in the UK) I sincerely hope I never have to kill anything. But if I am attacked by someone or something, I've got a means to defend myself. If I face an aggressive dog, I've got a sporting chance. If I encounter a bear or a coyote in the woods I've got a lot more chance of surviving the encounter than if the best I can do is wave a stick at them.

If mass murderers in US are forced to move from using guns to making bombs, that will require a completely different set of precautionary efforts.

It really shouldn't surprise anybody if the minority with the intent to kill simply find another way to kill. Which goes back to my point about the pressure cooker at the Boston Marathon - the problem was the person rather than the pressure cooker. I'm still waiting for someone to explain what makes events so different - when someone uses a pressure cooker to kill nobody claims that chefs are approving of murder, when someone uses a truck to kill nobody claims that anybody with a driving license is implicitly endorsing murder or that the AAA needs to be reined in, but when someone uses a gun to kill suddenly anyone who is a member of the NRA is some kind of child killer. It makes no sense.
 

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On another note, what exactly is licensing supposed to achieve?

The right to drive is subject to a licensing regime and yet every year people die on the roads as a result of people combining alcohol (a substance legal for adults to use) and driving (an activity legal for licensed adults to undertake) in a manner that is not legal. If the offender gets caught they lose their license for a time but the people who died as a result don't come back to life.

Access to children is controlled by background checks, that prove more or less nothing. In the UK I was subjected to a background check prior to helping with a youth club at church. The check came back clean, which proved nothing more than that I wasn't known to have abused a child. It didn't prove I hadn't, and it didn't prove I never would, it only proved that either I never had, or was clever enough to get away with it. If anything it's counterproductive because it encourages parents to place blind trust in a government procedure, and government procedures aren't renowned for their effectiveness. If someone has apparently passed a background check but looks at your daugher in a way that makes you feel uncomfortable, what are you supposed to do? Do you trust the government, in which case you potentially expose your daughter to risk. Or do you trust your instinct, which renders the background check more or less pointless?

It's good to have some kind of system to make sure people can't abuse children in one state, then move to another state and start over where nobody knows their past. At the same time depending too heavily on a licensing system can only go so far. Just as licensed drivers cause death on the road by accident and negligence, so any licensing system for firearms will have the same problem. It won't stop people committing suicide with guns, and will do little if anything to stop people committing other atrocities with guns.

Ultimately the only way to guarantee nobody will ever hurt another person is to lock everybody up in their own cell.
 

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On another note, what exactly is licensing supposed to achieve?

The right to drive is subject to a licensing regime and yet every year people die on the roads as a result of people combining alcohol (a substance legal for adults to use) and driving (an activity legal for licensed adults to undertake) in a manner that is not legal. If the offender gets caught they lose their license for a time but the people who died as a result don't come back to life.

Access to children is controlled by background checks, that prove more or less nothing. In the UK I was subjected to a background check prior to helping with a youth club at church. The check came back clean, which proved nothing more than that I wasn't known to have abused a child. It didn't prove I hadn't, and it didn't prove I never would, it only proved that either I never had, or was clever enough to get away with it. If anything it's counterproductive because it encourages parents to place blind trust in a government procedure, and government procedures aren't renowned for their effectiveness. If someone has apparently passed a background check but looks at your daugher in a way that makes you feel uncomfortable, what are you supposed to do? Do you trust the government, in which case you potentially expose your daughter to risk. Or do you trust your instinct, which renders the background check more or less pointless?

It's good to have some kind of system to make sure people can't abuse children in one state, then move to another state and start over where nobody knows their past. At the same time depending too heavily on a licensing system can only go so far. Just as licensed drivers cause death on the road by accident and negligence, so any licensing system for firearms will have the same problem. It won't stop people committing suicide with guns, and will do little if anything to stop people committing other atrocities with guns.

Ultimately the only way to guarantee nobody will ever hurt another person is to lock everybody up in their own cell.
And your answer is do nothing, and you wonder why I think you are parrioting the NRA position and this is also why as a powerful lobby they have blocked every common sense measure to be proposed and this time they are losing the battle, people are fed up with their obstructionist tactics
 

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And your answer is do nothing, and you wonder why I think you are parrioting the NRA position and this is also why as a powerful lobby they have blocked every common sense measure to be proposed and this time they are losing the battle, people are fed up with their obstructionist tactics

When did I say my answer was to do nothing?

I don't believe in doing something for the sake of doing something, particularly when doing something is more likely to interfere with the law-abiding than the people who would go and shoot kids in schools. But that's the trouble with so much new legislation introduced as a knee-jerk measure, it focuses on the idea that Something Must Be Done and ends up infringing on the rights of the many while doing little or nothing to rein in the few that need it.

Perhaps you could explain why we don't see people crying out for more restrictions on motor vehicles every time people are killed by a drunk driver. It's nothing more than the people who would rather we didn't have guns using any excuse to cry out for them to be taken away.
 

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When did I say my answer was to do nothing?

I don't believe in doing something for the sake of doing something, particularly when doing something is more likely to interfere with the law-abiding than the people who would go and shoot kids in schools. But that's the trouble with so much new legislation introduced as a knee-jerk measure, it focuses on the idea that Something Must Be Done and ends up infringing on the rights of the many while doing little or nothing to rein in the few that need it.

Perhaps you could explain why we don't see people crying out for more restrictions on motor vehicles every time people are killed by a drunk driver. It's nothing more than the people who would rather we didn't have guns using any excuse to cry out for them to be taken away.
Perhaps you could explain just exactly you do support concerning gun legislation and quit using the red herring of motor vejhicles as we both know there is a vast difference between accidents and deliberate acts that kill dozens of people that there is an easy answer to if they just had the guts to pass it.
 

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You keep making this same inane point as if it were a convincing one. Bombs can be constructed from any number of common household items. And guns are mass produced by corporations and have the singular purpose of killing things. So one is POSSIBLE to reduce and limit access to and the other is not.


But if we follow through with your point here, there OUGHT to be restrictions on pressure cookers since that is the logic being used by all the people and groups who are fanning the hysteria over the problem of school shootings. They certainly do argue that, if guns are forbidden, there will not be any more Parklands. We know that that prediction is baloney, but according to that campaign which you support, banning pressure cookers because they can be used to kill is all the justification that is needed.
 

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But if we follow through with your point here, there OUGHT to be restrictions on pressure cookers since that is the logic being used by all the people and groups who are fanning the hysteria over the problem of school shootings. They certainly do argue that, if guns are forbidden, there will not be any more Parklands. We know that that prediction is baloney, but according to that campaign which you support, banning pressure cookers because they can be used to kill is all the justification that is needed.
Again do you even think this through? I am not for banning guns, just a certain type but of course it is better to say ban guns to stir up the masses rather than present what is actually said
 

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Again do you even think this through? I am not for banning guns, just a certain type but of course it is better to say ban guns to stir up the masses rather than present what is actually said
I was responding there to what Virgil wrote, not you.
 

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Perhaps you could explain just exactly you do support concerning gun legislation and quit using the red herring of motor vejhicles as we both know there is a vast difference between accidents and deliberate acts that kill dozens of people that there is an easy answer to if they just had the guts to pass it.

Motor vehicles aren't red herrings at all. Of the approximately 30,000 annual gun-related deaths in the US it's reckoned (and not disputed in this thread at least) that 2/3 of them are suicides. That leaves 10,000 deaths that aren't suicides, and that figure includes everything from atrocities such as the recent incident in Florida to hunting accidents to gangland murders to justified homicide.

You are the one proposing more restrictions, so how about you come out and propose something tangible? Something that will actually work, rather than restricting the law-abiding while doing nothing to protect children in schools. Something that has a chance of getting guns out of the hands of those who would do us harm, without restricting the fundamental right of the law-abiding majority to protect themselves from harm.

If there's "an easy answer" as you are fond of claiming, how about telling us what the easy answer is and addressing concerns about where and how it might fall short, rather than reverting to form and saying any response is little more than an NRA stance, as if that were a counter-argument?
 

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Again do you even think this through? I am not for banning guns, just a certain type but of course it is better to say ban guns to stir up the masses rather than present what is actually said

OK, go ahead and define what kind of guns you want to ban. You've used terms like "assault weapons" and "AR-15 type guns", so how about coming up with a definition that's useful. If you want to ban a type of weapon you need a specific definition of what is banned and what is not.
 

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An interesting article on why a rifle like an AR-15 is better for home defense than a handgun, for those interested:

http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/20...le-is-better-than-a-handgun-for-home-defense/

Of course the attributes of an AR-15 that make it well suited for home defense also make it well suited for committing atrocities. Given how many AR-15s are out there, and how many comparable rifles are out there, and how infrequently they are used in committing atrocities, it appears more than a little irrational to propose a ban on them. There are few, if any, other items that are owned by millions of law-abiding Americans, used for legal purposes by millions of law-abiding Americans, and yet people want to ban them based on the actions of a vanishingly small minority.
 

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Motor vehicles aren't red herrings at all. Of the approximately 30,000 annual gun-related deaths in the US it's reckoned (and not disputed in this thread at least) that 2/3 of them are suicides. That leaves 10,000 deaths that aren't suicides, and that figure includes everything from atrocities such as the recent incident in Florida to hunting accidents to gangland murders to justified homicide.

You are the one proposing more restrictions, so how about you come out and propose something tangible? Something that will actually work, rather than restricting the law-abiding while doing nothing to protect children in schools. Something that has a chance of getting guns out of the hands of those who would do us harm, without restricting the fundamental right of the law-abiding majority to protect themselves from harm.

If there's "an easy answer" as you are fond of claiming, how about telling us what the easy answer is and addressing concerns about where and how it might fall short, rather than reverting to form and saying any response is little more than an NRA stance, as if that were a counter-argument?
What I expected, you cannot say what you are for only what you are against
 

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OK, go ahead and define what kind of guns you want to ban. You've used terms like "assault weapons" and "AR-15 type guns", so how about coming up with a definition that's useful. If you want to ban a type of weapon you need a specific definition of what is banned and what is not.
Funny I thought AR-15 was specific
 

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there's a big difference between reducing deaths when dealing with people who aren't trying to kill, and reducing deaths when dealing with people who are trying to kill.
Yes, that's a reasonable point. It's not a new situation though. The intent of many government policies is to impact the behavior of bad actors.

It's the few who do stupid things that are the problem
Agreed. That is undisputed. And so what if 99.9% of consumers are inconvenienced? This is true for most governmental policies where some commercial product is regulated for safety purposes. For example, the vast majority of pseudoephedrine is not used by consumers as a chemical precursor to make meth. But regulating all consumers caused an immediate precipitous decline in meth labs in each state that enacted it. Narcotic problems were much bigger than just the role of pseudoephedrine, but reducing access to that one ingredient did have a significant measurable impact despite the inconvenience to everyone who uses that product for legit purposes.

The right to protect yourself from those who would harm you has to be a fundamental human right, no? Access to effective weapons to do this is a matter of self-preservation and equality.
Wow that's an extremely radical statement. I'm curious if you actually believe that as a "fundamental" axiom as you claim. If you honestly believe this statement then you're a far more extreme revolutionary leftist than I am.

failing to support any proposal, however absurd, is tantamount to supporting child murder, that it's hard to have a sensible discussion on the matter.
That's an understandable criticism. Don't think it's relevant to anything here, since we ARE having a very reasonable conversation. But it's true. Right wing nationalism often has the same irrational effect on the populace, such as some of the absurd policies and wars initiated after 9/11.

In the UK there was a school shooting that was met by a knee-jerk reaction to ban guns. In the immediate aftermath of the gun ban, gun crime went up. Then the bad guys shifted from using guns to using knives
Yep, that's true. Although fewer people are murdered overall and gun deaths are extremely low. 19 total gun murders in 2016. But the total UK murder rate (for all causes) is lower than it's been in about 40 years at about 9 per million (and has been trending downward since it's height in the early 2000s. The US murder rate is about 42 per million which is on par with many impovrished developing nations. So I'd say the current UK violence problems are still part of a successful trend brought about partially by their weapon policy changes.
 
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On another note, what exactly is licensing supposed to achieve?
It would over time reduce the number of legally held firearms and lengthen the window of time required to access one. If mandatory training was associated it would increase safety and storage of firearms. A lot of firearms used for murder and suicide are obtained from family members so to continue to have one in one's possession owners would need to regularly re-license their weapon. Again it's about harm reduction. No one is claiming that licensure would instantly eliminate gun deaths.
 
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But if we follow through with your point here, there OUGHT to be restrictions on pressure cookers since that is the logic being used by all the people and groups who are fanning the hysteria over the problem of school shootings. They certainly do argue that, if guns are forbidden, there will not be any more Parklands. We know that that prediction is baloney, but according to that campaign which you support, banning pressure cookers because they can be used to kill is all the justification that is needed.
If pressure cooker bombs became a significant, widespread problem, then yes. But it's just one of many ways that people can make a bomb, and bomb-making / bomb-related crimes in general are not very common in the US. You're trying to use an "argument to absurdity" by using the phrase "can kill." No one is saying that just because an object can kill, that it therefore must be regulated. But to answer your question, yes even normal commercial items that DO cause widespread deaths are very commonly regulated by the government. Baby crib specifications for example are pretty strictly regulated because of the widespread deaths to infants that certain crib designs caused in the past. Or if you want a criminal example, limits on pseudoephedrine did cause a reduction in meth labs.
 
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