A P O C R Y P H A : Included in every Holy Bible from the 4th century AD to the 19th Century AD

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Regarding the council of Carthage Wikipedia says:
The Canons made at this council are often called The Code of Canons of the African Church. It was led by Aurelius, bishop of Carthage and attended by 217 bishops, which held two sessions, May 25 and 30.
 

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The Council of Rome was a meeting of Christian Church officials and theologians which took place in 382 under the authority of the bishop of Rome, Damasus I. The previous year, the Emperor Theodosius I had appointed the "dark horse" candidate Nectarius Archbishop of Constantinople. The bishops of the West opposed the election result and asked for a common synod of East and West to settle the succession of the see of Constantinople, and so the Emperor Theodosius, soon after the close of the First Council of Constantinople in 381, summoned the Imperial bishops to a fresh synod at Constantinople; nearly all of the same bishops who had attended the earlier second council were assembled again in early summer of 382. On arrival they received a letter from the synod of Milan, inviting them to a great general council at Rome; they indicated that they must remain where they were, because they had not made any preparations for such long a journey; however, they sent three—Syriacus, Eusebius, and Priscian—with a joint synodal letter to Pope Damasus, Ambrose, archbishop of Milan, and the other bishops assembled in the council at Rome.

The Roman synod to which this letter was addressed was the fifth under Damasus. No formal account remains of its proceedings, nor of how its members treated the question of Nectarius. Theodosius did, however, send commissioners to Rome in support of his synod.

This historical synod at Rome gained additional importance long afterwards. According to a document appended to some manuscripts of the so-called Decretum Gelasianum or "Gelasian Decretal" and given separately in others, at this council the authority of the Old and New Testament canon would have been affirmed in a decretal. The document was first connected to this council of Rome in 1794, when Fr. Faustino Arevalo (1747–1824), the editor of Coelius Sedulius, expressed his theory that the first three of the five chapters of the Decretum were really the decrees of a Roman council held a century earlier than Gelasius, under Damasus, in 382.

Arevalo's conclusions were widely accepted, and the text of these first three chapters, given the title of "The Roman Council under Damasus" have often been reprinted. On this theory the so-called "Damasine List" would be the earliest Western list of the Biblical canon promulgated by a council, two years earlier than the publication of the first installment of the Latin Vulgate. (from here)
 

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MoreCoffee,

You have chosen to not state whether the Council of Hippo stated that exactly 73 books (all 73 and only those 73) are "CANONICAL." You seem to not want to answer that.

You claim 100 bishops were there. Okay. Did all the Bishops state "These 73 books - and only these - are canonical?" All of them? "Canonical?"

And if that was an (unnamed) Ecumenical Council - authoritative for all churches - then why did many (maybe most) churches appear to take no notice of it? Because the churches of the East have NEVER had a Bible with that list of books in it (no less, no more). Clearly, MUCH of Christianity, MANY churches paid no attention to those (because they've NEVER had a bible with 73 books in it)...

You said "The churches" did this. Perhaps you misstated the reality, maybe what you MEANT to say is "SOME churches did this" (without specifically stating exactly what they did). I'd agree with that.



As for posts 341 and 342, thanks for the information, but I can't find anything about ecumenical, anything about 73 (no less, no more), anything about "fully canonical", anything about "the churches" all abided since it was authoritative and definitive.



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The Council of Rome was a meeting of Christian Church officials and theologians which took place in 382 under the authority of the bishop of Rome, Damasus I. The previous year, the Emperor Theodosius I had appointed the "dark horse" candidate Nectarius Archbishop of Constantinople. The bishops of the West opposed the election result and asked for a common synod of East and West to settle the succession of the see of Constantinople, and so the Emperor Theodosius, soon after the close of the First Council of Constantinople in 381, summoned the Imperial bishops to a fresh synod at Constantinople; nearly all of the same bishops who had attended the earlier second council were assembled again in early summer of 382. On arrival they received a letter from the synod of Milan, inviting them to a great general council at Rome; they indicated that they must remain where they were, because they had not made any preparations for such long a journey; however, they sent three—Syriacus, Eusebius, and Priscian—with a joint synodal letter to Pope Damasus, Ambrose, archbishop of Milan, and the other bishops assembled in the council at Rome.

The Roman synod to which this letter was addressed was the fifth under Damasus. No formal account remains of its proceedings, nor of how its members treated the question of Nectarius. Theodosius did, however, send commissioners to Rome in support of his synod.

This historical synod at Rome gained additional importance long afterwards. According to a document appended to some manuscripts of the so-called Decretum Gelasianum or "Gelasian Decretal" and given separately in others, at this council the authority of the Old and New Testament canon would have been affirmed in a decretal. The document was first connected to this council of Rome in 1794, when Fr. Faustino Arevalo (1747–1824), the editor of Coelius Sedulius, expressed his theory that the first three of the five chapters of the Decretum were really the decrees of a Roman council held a century earlier than Gelasius, under Damasus, in 382.

Arevalo's conclusions were widely accepted, and the text of these first three chapters, given the title of "The Roman Council under Damasus" have often been reprinted. On this theory the so-called "Damasine List" would be the earliest Western list of the Biblical canon promulgated by a council, two years earlier than the publication of the first installment of the Latin Vulgate. (from here)
The funny thing about the Gelasian Decree is that Catholics are quick to use it to prove which books belong in the Bible but haven't headed the books to be rejected.

Plenty of Catholics use the Infancy Gospel of James to try and prove Mariology but it is on the list of books labeled as apocrypha (to be avoided.

Also the Shepard of Hermas (which was earlier considered scripture by some), all the works of Tertullian, and the History of Eusebius.


V. The remaining writings which have been compiled or been recognised by heretics or schismatics the Catholic and Apostolic Roman Church does not in any way receive; of these we have thought it right to cite below a few which have been handed down and which are to be avoided by catholics:


If Catholics truly believe in the authority of the Council of Rome and the Gelasin Decree then they need to stop using any of those books for Catholic Apologetics.
 

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I was responding to this statement by @MoreCoffee

One recurring theme in anti-deuterocanon apologetics is how sermons, surviving ancient bibles, and church liturgical readings are skipped over or completely ignored when enquiring into what the early churches used as holy and inspired scripture.

I was pointing out that if sermons, ancient Bibles, and church readings are the measuring stick then you have to include other books that were used as scripture in the ante-nicene period as well. Not all the books that were once thought off as "scripture" ended up making it into what became "The Bible". Therefore it is not inconsistent for the Duetero books to have been quoted as scripture and not end up making it into the "canon".

The church councils DID include the Apocryphal books of Maccabees, Tobit, Judith, etc., in the canon lists. If that’s not your “measuring stick” then what is? The one the unbelieving Jews gave you?

You’re blinded by the unbelieving Jews.
 

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EXACTLY!



Their apologetic is that if they can find one or two or maybe even five individuals who seem to use something as if it's Scripture, then that's proof that some mysterious, unnamed Ruling Body of Christianity declared such to be inerrant, fully-canonical, divinely inspired words of God equal to all the rest. This absurd claim is one they themselves reject. We've shared many esteemed Christian individuals referring to books as Scriptures - even placing them equal to others - BUT our two friends don't accept them as Scripture. SO, they reject their own argument.

SOOOO many big, remarkable claims.... and the very rare times they try to support one, well.... they reject their own apologetioc.



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Our apologetic is that the Jews removed things from the Bible, and that the very same church councils that decide YOUR New Testament books also decided the Old Testament books. It’s not just because one or two people quoted them at some time.

Of course, you already know this. But you’re too dishonest to admit it.
 

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AGAIN.... the 3 small, regional, diocesan meetings you reference did not canonize anything and were not speaking for The Church or The Apostles. They were addressing an issue IN THAT DIOCESE. While they CAN be referenced to see what at least some church leaders believed IN THAT DIOCESE at THAT TIME, they were not speaking or acting for the church. Which is part of reason why most of Christianity paid them no attention (probably never heard of them; diocesan meetings only have importance in that diocese).

No, I can't prove your claim that "The Apostles" and "The Church" declared any book to be inerrant, canonical, divinely inspired Scripture. Nor do I need to, that's not my claim, it's yours. Just one you haven't attempted to support as true. Ever heard of "circular reasoning?" You just CLAIM it happened - so it happened - and thus you prove it happened.

Ever wonder why there are AND ALWAYS HAVE BEEN different bibles among Christians? Goggle Coptic Bible, Egyptian Bible, Syrian Bible, Greek Orthodox Bible, Catholic Bible. IF Christianity declared what IS and IS NOT canonical, then you have a problem because not one denomination before 1500 agrees with any other on that. Some have Psalm 151 in their tomes, some not. Some have the Prayer of Manassah in them, some not. And so on and so on and so on. To this day, the post 1546 Catholic Bible agrees with no other Bible in terms of books included as Scripture.




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Those church councils decided your New Testament. So again, you’re being dishonest.
 

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If Catholics truly believe in the authority of the Council of Rome and the Gelasin Decree then they need to stop using any of those books for Catholic Apologetics.
Why? 😉
 

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I'm not sure those 3 tiny, regional diocean meetings
Check posts #340 and #341 and #342
A diocesan meeting would have 1 bishop not a hundred or more bishops. These were significant regional councils.
 

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the Council of Hippo stated that exactly 73 books
The canon regarding the canon of the holy scriptures lists them as follows.
The canonical scriptures are listed in Canon xxxvi as follows:

The "five books of Solomon", according to Augustine, were Proverbs, Ecclesiastes, Song of Songs, Wisdom of Solomon, and Ecclesiasticus.[8]

In the De doctrina christiana, Augustine explains the relation between the two books of Ezra/Esdras and its separation with the Chronicles (partly included in the Septuagint's 1 Esdras): "... and the two of Ezra, which last look more like a sequel to the continuous regular history which terminates with the books of Kings and Chronicles."[9] - from wikipedia
 

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Check posts #340 and #341 and #342
A diocesan meeting would have 1 bishop not a hundred or more bishops. These were significant regional councils.
Without checking it through, I believe you are correct. These councils were not considered to be Ecumenical Councils with infallibility, but they were accepted/approved by the Latin Church. The question of the status of the Apocrypha, however, is another matter and is not solved merely because these books were thereafter to be printed, etc. along with the other 66 which were deemed to be the inspired books.
 

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The question of the status of the Apocrypha, however, is another matter
THE CANON APPROVED BY THE THIRD SYNOD OF CARTHACE (A.D. 419)

Canon 24. (Greek xxvii.)​

That nothing be read in church besides the Canonical Scripture

Item, that besides the Canonical Scriptures nothing be read in church under the name of divine Scripture.

But the Canonical Scriptures are as follows:

  • Genesis.
  • Exodus.
  • Leviticus.
  • Numbers.
  • Deuteronomy.
  • Joshua the Son of Nun.
  • The Judges.
  • Ruth.
  • The Kings, iv. books.
  • The Chronicles, ij. books.
  • Job.
  • The Psalter.
  • The Five books of Solomon.
  • The Twelve Books of the Prophets.
  • Isaiah.
  • Jeremiah.
  • Ezechiel.
  • Daniel.
  • Tobit.
  • Judith.
  • Esther.
  • Ezra, ij. books.
  • Macchabees, ij. books.
    • The New Testament.
      • The Gospels, iv. books.
      • The Acts of the Apostles, j. book.
      • The Epistles of Paul, xiv.
      • The Epistles of Peter, the Apostle, ij.
      • The Epistles of John the Apostle, iij.
      • The Epistles of James the Apostle, j.
      • The Epistle of Jude the Apostle, j.
      • The Revelation of John, j. book.
Let this be sent to our brother and fellow bishop, Boniface, and to the other bishops of those parts, that they may confirm this canon, for these are the things which we have received from our fathers to be read in church. (from Newadvent)
Jeremiah includes Jeremiah, Lamentations, and Baruch.
 

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Our apologetic is that the Jews removed things from the Bible

Why that matters, I don't know....

It is IMPOSSIBLE to remove something unless it was first IN. You haven't proven any "out" - which is impossible because you've never proven any IN and until you prove something was put IN you cannot - cannot - prove it was taken out. This seems to allude you.

And all those Jewish Conspiracy theories you've presented are... well... beyond absurd. To propose that "the Jews" (kind of like the "them" you speak of - never identified, never named) TOOK OUT books in the LXX like Psalm 151 because Christians were using them to support the Gospel BUT kept Isaiah in because no Christians ever read or used that. Come on!!!! Again.... never any names, never any dates/places, never any sustantiation at all. NOTHING about the "IN" nothing about the "RIPPED OUT" nothing to support your variant conspiracy theories.


and that the very same church councils that decide YOUR New Testament books also decided the Old Testament books.

Nope. AT MOST what they do is give us a hint as to WHAT books a handful of Christians in a given place and time thought should and should not be used. There's no evidence that they were authoritative in anything, no evidence that any of the Eastern bishops gave a rip about it (then and now NO Eastern Bible is in alignment with any of these 3 meetings (INDEED, no other church has the same Bible as these 3 meetings seem to suggest). Catholics continued to use books these meetings say not to.... Some Catholic Bibles including the Epistle to the Leodiceans never mentioned at any of these meetings... some Catholic tomes included the Prayer of Manassah not mentioned here. There's no evidence that any of these were definitive or authoritative - OBVIOUSLY not in the East but not even in the West. Which is why Trent needed to do what it did in 1546 (and even after that, the epistle to the Leodiceans at times appeared in Catholic tomes).




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Those church councils decided your New Testament. So again, you’re being dishonest.
I don't believe the church councils "decided" the New Testament. Even during the 4th Century there were difference in the church as to what made up the New Testament. Up until that point several influential people had given their opinion on what books make up the New Testament. A few local councils, like Rome and Carthage, had given their opinions. Some local councils in the East had given their list of books, that was slightly different than the Western Churches. And finally in the 5th Century a consensus developed on the 27 books of the New Testament we have today. I believe the last book to be "canonized" in the East was Revelation, that occurred in the late 4th or early 5th Century. At that point we had a true universal NT canon, because almost all Christians everywhere agreed on the same 27 books. The only church I'm aware of that has a different NT canon is the Ethiopian Orthodox church. They have the same 27 books as the rest of us but add 8 additional books.

28. Sirate Tsion (the book of order)
29. Tizaz (the book of Herald)
30. Gitsew
31. Abtilis
32. The I book of Dominos
33. The II book of Dominos
34. The book of Clement
35. Didascalia

A true New Testament canon didn't occur because a person or council decided the canon. It occurred because the 27 books became universally accepted by churches in both the West and the East. I don't consider the 8 extra books of the Ethiopians to be "Canon" because they are not universally accepted by the rest of Christianity.

The Old Testament books are a different story. Even after the Councils of Rome and Carthage there was debate/differing opinions within the church over the status of the Duetero books.

We have Gregory the Great in the 6th century saying Macabees is not part of the Canon. He was the Bishop of Rome and surely new of the opinions of the Rome and Carthage Councils and that of Augustine. Yet he clearly states that Macabees is not part of the canon.

Here is a list of Catholic Theologians who rejected all or part of the Deuteo Books after the 5th Century and Before Trent. Keep in mind this is just a partial list that is recorded in antiquity. Who knows how many Bishops and Theologians held the same position? Logic tells us it is way more than the ones listed here. These were leaders in the church who passed their teachings on to maybe thousands of students. And while I can also give an even longer list of Bishops and Theologians who affirm the Duetero books, the fact that these prominent historical figures even are on record shows that there was still controversy over the Old Testament "canon" in the Western Church up until the time of the Reformation. No such controversy existed for the New Testament books.

Gregory the Great- Pope, considered by many to be the first "true" Pope in that he was followed by not only the Western Church but also by the Eastern Church.
The Venerable Bede-Doctor of the Church, 8th Century Monk
Ambrose of Autpert, a ninth-century theologian,
Hugh of St. Victor, 12th Century Theologian
John of Salisbury, 12th Century Theologian
Nicholas of Lyra-14th Century Franciscan, noted Bible Scholar
William of Ockham, 14th Century Franciscan Friar, famous philosopher and theologian
Cardinal Cajetan, prosecutor of Martin Luther, lobbied against the Duetero inclusion in the Canon at Trent
Glossa ordinaria- commentary used by the Catholic Church during the Middle Ages that was widely read and studied by Theologians.

The canonical books have been brought about through the dictation of the Holy Spirit. It is not known, however, at which time or by which authors the non-canonical or apocryphal books were produced. Since, nevertheless, they are very good and useful, and nothing is found in them which contradicts the canonical books, the church reads them and permits them to be read by the faithful for devotion and edification. Their authority, however, is not considered adequate for proving those things which come into doubt or contention, or for confirming the authority of ecclesiastical dogma, as blessed Jerome states in his prologue to Judith and to the books of Solomon. But the canonical books are of such authority that whatever is contained therein is held to be true firmly and indisputably, and likewise that which is clearly demonstrated from them.”

Early Reformers were following the Catholic teaching of the Glossa Ordinaria and a long history of teaching from Catholic Theologians.
 

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A few local councils, like Rome and Carthage, had given their opinions.
Regional councils with a hundred and more bishops representing a hundred and more diocese.
 

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I don't believe the church councils "decided" the New Testament. Even during the 4th Century there were difference in the church as to what made up the New Testament. Up until that point several influential people had given their opinion on what books make up the New Testament. A few local councils, like Rome and Carthage, had given their opinions. Some local councils in the East had given their list of books, that was slightly different than the Western Churches. And finally in the 5th Century a consensus developed on the 27 books of the New Testament we have today. I believe the last book to be "canonized" in the East was Revelation, that occurred in the late 4th or early 5th Century. At that point we had a true universal NT canon, because almost all Christians everywhere agreed on the same 27 books. The only church I'm aware of that has a different NT canon is the Ethiopian Orthodox church. They have the same 27 books as the rest of us but add 8 additional books.

28. Sirate Tsion (the book of order)
29. Tizaz (the book of Herald)
30. Gitsew
31. Abtilis
32. The I book of Dominos
33. The II book of Dominos
34. The book of Clement
35. Didascalia

A true New Testament canon didn't occur because a person or council decided the canon. It occurred because the 27 books became universally accepted by churches in both the West and the East. I don't consider the 8 extra books of the Ethiopians to be "Canon" because they are not universally accepted by the rest of Christianity.

The Old Testament books are a different story. Even after the Councils of Rome and Carthage there was debate/differing opinions within the church over the status of the Duetero books.

We have Gregory the Great in the 6th century saying Macabees is not part of the Canon. He was the Bishop of Rome and surely new of the opinions of the Rome and Carthage Councils and that of Augustine. Yet he clearly states that Macabees is not part of the canon.

Here is a list of Catholic Theologians who rejected all or part of the Deuteo Books after the 5th Century and Before Trent. Keep in mind this is just a partial list that is recorded in antiquity. Who knows how many Bishops and Theologians held the same position? Logic tells us it is way more than the ones listed here. These were leaders in the church who passed their teachings on to maybe thousands of students. And while I can also give an even longer list of Bishops and Theologians who affirm the Duetero books, the fact that these prominent historical figures even are on record shows that there was still controversy over the Old Testament "canon" in the Western Church up until the time of the Reformation. No such controversy existed for the New Testament books.

Gregory the Great- Pope, considered by many to be the first "true" Pope in that he was followed by not only the Western Church but also by the Eastern Church.
The Venerable Bede-Doctor of the Church, 8th Century Monk
Ambrose of Autpert, a ninth-century theologian,
Hugh of St. Victor, 12th Century Theologian
John of Salisbury, 12th Century Theologian
Nicholas of Lyra-14th Century Franciscan, noted Bible Scholar
William of Ockham, 14th Century Franciscan Friar, famous philosopher and theologian
Cardinal Cajetan, prosecutor of Martin Luther, lobbied against the Duetero inclusion in the Canon at Trent
Glossa ordinaria- commentary used by the Catholic Church during the Middle Ages that was widely read and studied by Theologians.

The canonical books have been brought about through the dictation of the Holy Spirit. It is not known, however, at which time or by which authors the non-canonical or apocryphal books were produced. Since, nevertheless, they are very good and useful, and nothing is found in them which contradicts the canonical books, the church reads them and permits them to be read by the faithful for devotion and edification. Their authority, however, is not considered adequate for proving those things which come into doubt or contention, or for confirming the authority of ecclesiastical dogma, as blessed Jerome states in his prologue to Judith and to the books of Solomon. But the canonical books are of such authority that whatever is contained therein is held to be true firmly and indisputably, and likewise that which is clearly demonstrated from them.”

Early Reformers were following the Catholic teaching of the Glossa Ordinaria and a long history of teaching from Catholic Theologians.

You really don’t get it. The issue of the Apocrypha is directly linked with the issue of the Greek Septuagint. The New Testament quotes the Old Testament in a way that is consistent with the Septuagint and inconsistent with the Hebrew Masoretic. This is clear, undeniable evidence of Jewish tampering with the Hebrew Scriptures. The Septuagint better preserves the original Hebrew. That’s the issue. The issue isn’t with what some Pope named Gregory had to say. Who cares what some Pope says? I care about what the original Hebrew said, what the Jews BEFORE Christ believed, and what the first Christians accepted.
 

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Regional councils with a hundred and more bishops representing a hundred and more diocese.
Which was still a fraction of total Christianity.
 

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The New Testament quotes the Old Testament in a way that is consistent with the Septuagint

You really don't get it. Amazing!!

People often use books in a translation into a language they can read. Why does that entirely allude you? Why do most here at CH quote the Bible in English? Is it possible because they know the Bible from an English translation because that's the language they can read?

Now, maybe the TOME they are using includes a concordance in it, or maybe an article by Dr. Scofield because some editions of the KJV do. Does that prove that THEREFORE the Christian using that tome (with an English translation) is stating that that article by Dr. Scofield has been declared inerrant, normative Scripture by some Ruling Body of Christianity? Come on. Most Christians here use some tome with ENGLISH words in it because they can read English. And they quote it the book in English because it is in English. That's it. That's all.

Most literate early Christians could speak, read and write koine Greek, fewer Latin, very very few Hebrew. So since they could read Greek but not Hebrew, it's just not the SHOCKING and REMARKABLE thing you think that they read and used that translation. Just as many English speaking Christians today use an English translation. But it's absurd to argue that THEREFORE, that proves that Christianity declared that all the stuff found in any LXX is therefore inerrant, fully canonical, divinely inspired words of God and there's some international law that all tomes with BIBLE written on the cover MUST include all that stuff and only that stuff. Nathan, it's just absurd. You really don't get it.



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The Rev. Milo H. Gates, of Trinity Church (Prot.), of New York City, accuses the Bible societies of circulating mutilated copies of the Holy Scriptures. The New York Sun, of December 6, Inst, quotes him as saying:

"The time has come when all real Protestants should demand from the Bible societies the whole Bible. One of the great libraries of sacred writings is contained in what is known as the 'Apocrypha'. In that contained such wonderful books as 'The Wisdom of Solomon,' 'Ecclesiasticus' and 'The Song of the Three Children' ; from which comes the hymn called 'The Benedicite', sung each Sunday by millions of Christians.

The Bible societies each year flood ministers with their appeals, yet it is the fault of the Bible societies that this wonderful part has been stolen from the Bible. If these societies were truly Protestant, they would not commit such a grievous theft. They would not keep the Bible from the common people.

It was not until 1826 that Protestant churches refused to print these books as part of the Bible. Today, therefore, the societies stand before the Christian world as the great enemies of the Bible. It is difficult for any private publisher to compete with them. As a result, the Bibles in general circulation are muttliated Bibles.

What we need today is either a reform or retirement of the so-called Bible societies. If they are permitted to go on, I fear that they will continue more seriously to hinder the use of the Holy Scriptures."
—New York Sun, Dec. 6, 1915.

The minister is right. If the authority, which declared the so called apocrypha to be inspired, be rejected, there is no good reason to hold any of the other books of the Bible to be genuine Scripture. The New Testament writers quote far more frequently from that version of the Old Testament, which contained the so-called Apocrypha, than from the version, which did not contain them.

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You really don't get it. Amazing!!

People often use books in a translation into a language they can read. Why does that entirely allude you? Why do most here at CH quote the Bible in English? Is it possible because they know the Bible from an English translation because that's the language they can read?

Now, maybe the TOME they are using includes a concordance in it, or maybe an article by Dr. Scofield because some editions of the KJV do. Does that prove that THEREFORE the Christian using that tome (with an English translation) is stating that that article by Dr. Scofield has been declared inerrant, normative Scripture by some Ruling Body of Christianity? Come on. Most Christians here use some tome with ENGLISH words in it because they can read English. And they quote it the book in English because it is in English. That's it. That's all.

Most literate early Christians could speak, read and write koine Greek, fewer Latin, very very few Hebrew. So since they could read Greek but not Hebrew, it's just not the SHOCKING and REMARKABLE thing you think that they read and used that translation. Just as many English speaking Christians today use an English translation. But it's absurd to argue that THEREFORE, that proves that Christianity declared that all the stuff found in any LXX is therefore inerrant, fully canonical, divinely inspired words of God and there's some international law that all tomes with BIBLE written on the cover MUST include all that stuff and only that stuff. Nathan, it's just absurd. You really don't get it.



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Denial.

No one expects you to accept the serendipitous (or divine?) role the LXX had among the early Churches if you dont even accept the complete Luther Bible of Martin Luther and the Protestants that came before your time.

Wake up already, the scrolls that were kept inside the synagogues were divided into 3 holding shelves, the Torah/Law is Canon, the Prophets are Canon (but not in all sects), the Writings were Canon (but not in all sects), the majority of synagogues used the Greek Septuagint, begenning with the Torah, and then the Prophets and the Writings; of which also contained the latest additions.

But regardless of the fact that anything that had to written down on to a scroll and mass produced for the Greek speaking Jewish Synagogues being the fullness of Holy writ of the Old Testament.
You still reject the Bible of Luther.. and you won't accept that reality.
 
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