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  1. Albion

    The RCC Claim

    Papal Supremacy Papal Infallibility Transubstantiation Purgatory Indulgences Seven Sacraments Worship of the host in Solemn Benediction College of Cardinals Clerical Celibacy
  2. Albion

    The RCC Claim

    Because 1) the bishop of Rome was not thought of by others as the head of the universal church until about that time, 2) no bishop of Rome was himself claiming jurisdiction over the whole of the Christian world until the fourth century, and 3) the testimony of the Early Church Fathers (whom the...
  3. Albion

    The RCC Claim

    No. There wasn't any such organization as the RCC at the time. Or any other denomination, for that matter. And as for the Popes who are supposed by that theory to be the Christ-ordained heads of his church, the emergence of that institution (the Papacy) was still over 300 years in the future...
  4. Albion

    In what ways does the Apocrypha point to Jesus as Savior?

    My comment wasn't about any particular post, Andrew. We're now over 200 posts on this one thread, not to mention the other times the same subject has come up...and nothing has been resolved.
  5. Albion

    In what ways does the Apocrypha point to Jesus as Savior?

    It's all been said, folks--and very well. Nothing will be accomplished by letting this go around in the same circle any further. So, let's resolve not to post more on this particular thread or on any other ones dealing with the same subject. That will allow for everyone to work on more...
  6. Albion

    In what ways does the Apocrypha point to Jesus as Savior?

    It's been said before, but neither the Catholic canon nor the Protestant canon includes all the books of the Apocrypha, both sides having expelled some of those books from the Bible during the 16th century. That being the case, the whole of Christianity is wrong...if you think that all the...
  7. Albion

    In what ways does the Apocrypha point to Jesus as Savior?

    No. The decision to include them in the canon of the Bible was made as a concession to unfinished business. As said, the Jews were divided into two camps about the Apocrypha, and the Christians as a whole were undecided, so.... Not sure what you're asking here. The churches which are most often...
  8. Albion

    In what ways does the Apocrypha point to Jesus as Savior?

    Well, Luther was recognized as the great Bible scholar of his day in northern Europe, so what became of the Apocrypha is not as inexplicable as you thought. More important, however, is the fact that the books of the Apocrypha had never been accepted as definitely inspired. They were in question...
  9. Albion

    In what ways does the Apocrypha point to Jesus as Savior?

    Of course there were! But they were not Ecumenical Councils, nor did I represent them as having been Ecumenical Councils. He was wrong about that. However, I was reacting to something else, specifically the idea that we need to turn to the Council of Nicaea or Jerome or someone else for the...
  10. Albion

    In what ways does the Apocrypha point to Jesus as Savior?

    There is no formal "accepting" by the wider church of inspired books of Scripture until the several councils that canonized the entire Bible in the late 300s reached their decision.
  11. Albion

    In what ways does the Apocrypha point to Jesus as Savior?

    It absolutely does not. There is one rather weak hint there that the Jews of that time--or some of them anyway--might have had a concept that is similar to maybe 5% of what the later doctrine of "Purgatory" was about. That's the most that can be said for it.
  12. Albion

    In what ways does the Apocrypha point to Jesus as Savior?

    1. Councils do not operate on getting 100% agreement among the attendees. If that were the case, there would be no Ecumenical Councils, regardless of how any of us values these councils. 2. The other councils you are referring to, those that canonized scripture, are not Ecumenical Councils...
  13. Albion

    In what ways does the Apocrypha point to Jesus as Savior?

    Not necessarily. In our own society, we have a way of classifying younger people as being of a different generation if they are even several years older or younger than the group they're being compared against. But a person is considered old most of his life. You're called old in your 50s, and...
  14. Albion

    I'd Like To Be A Catholic

    You have thought a lot about this, I see. Those are good points, and I agree that to some degree they probably do account for the loyalty. Anglican worship is more reverent and beautiful and, if a Catholic doesn't mind the abruptness and extent of the change, the Orthodox divine liturgy might...
  15. Albion

    I'd Like To Be A Catholic

    Thank you, Josiah. Your review of the way the Catholic Church teaches about its infallibility and certain other matters is as I remember it also. In addition, it's no secret that many if not most Catholics don't accept all that their church says they must. A poll showed, for instance, that...
  16. Albion

    In what ways does the Apocrypha point to Jesus as Savior?

    That's hardly any different from the stance that's adopted by almost every cult--"The Bible says that 'Whoever hears you, hears me,' and the people being addressed were our guys." :cool:
  17. Albion

    I'd Like To Be A Catholic

    Just imagine if he'd kept to the Catholic position and told the grieving family, "Our friend is now in either Purgatory or Hell, suffering because of his sins. But we rejoice in the belief that it's more likely to be Purgatory and, if so, that suffering will not last as long as if he'd been sent...
  18. Albion

    Do you agree with Cancel Culture?

    I'm not sure that either of those choices words the respective positions correctly. Of course no sensible person should agree with totalitarian government. Or, for that matter, with the techniques of totalitarians. But as for the other choice, this matter is so threatening to any people who...
  19. Albion

    I'd Like To Be A Catholic

    It's all true...and very well expressed here. Anyone who is attracted to Roman Catholicism and thinks that the Apocrypha plays an important part in Catholic life or even in the formation of doctrine is very much mistaken.
  20. Albion

    What is a "faith movement"?

    I'd say that a "faith movement" is a significant development in Christianity which isn't associated with any particular denomination. There has to be some term for it, so I can understand why this one is being used. It also explains why you get information on charismatic Christians when you...
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