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  1. Albion

    Ecclesiasticals VS Canonical

    I, too, found some of that post to be confusing, but here's a fact that probably should be taken account of.... Both the Anglican and Lutheran churches, which together constitute a very large percentage of the Protestants of the world, consider the Apocryphal books to be uninspired BUT call for...
  2. Albion

    5 Democrats Legislators test positive for Covid

    The people on the plane did not represent a microcosm of the general population. These are legislators who meet a lot of different people of all types and from different geographical areas almost every day. Besides, if they caught the virus ON the plane, the close quarters that they all were...
  3. Albion

    Visible kingship and the invisible church

    Some confusing terminology in that post, but in case there is any question...The Son is not the manifestation of the Father. The persons of the Triune God have always existed and are not to be confused with each other.
  4. Albion

    Purgatory

    That goes to the point that was made earlier. The church cannot simply declare that what it had taught for over half a millennium is not true after all, especially as it was affirmed in several church councils (as you noted in the case of Trent). Therefore, it is still affirmed in principle but...
  5. Albion

    Purgatory

    As has been said before, when the church decides to ditch some teaching but not admit to having made a change, one of two things happens--the old wording gets new meanings or else the whole idea is allowed to die a quiet death. In the case of Purgatory, both are underway. An example of the...
  6. Albion

    Purgatory

    This is typical of Luther's style of speaking; and today's readers often mistake it for an affirmation of whatever is being discussed. Praying for God's mercy upon those who have passed into the next life is NOT even close to being agreement with the idea of there being a Purgatory. Yes, and...
  7. Albion

    Purgatory

    The reference there is not to the souls in Abraham's Bosom. It's to those who were in Heaven, and they were/are there because of the merits of Christ Jesus. In the Christian religion, it's the sacrifice of Christ that justifies, and is quite capable of justifying, those who turn to Him. There...
  8. Albion

    Purgatory

    You are referring, I think, to where Jesus went after his death on the Cross and before the Resurrection. That is indeed recorded in the Bible, but it refers to what is called Abraham's Bosom or the Limbo of Our Fathers. The reference is to a place where those who died before Christ's saving...
  9. Albion

    When you think of stairs

    up. But we most often come upon a flight of stairs when we're at the bottom of them, don't we? 😉
  10. Albion

    Purgatory

    Yeah, right. All sorts of references to Scripture except for any that tell us that "Purgatory" exists. You have a nice day, too.
  11. Albion

    Purgatory

    Oh yes, but that doesn't have anything in particular to do with the theory of how the RCC's Purgatory is said to work. According to the church's teachings, unforgiven venial sins are punished in Purgatory while unforgiven mortal sins are of course punished in Hell, but also, all sins that have...
  12. Albion

    Purgatory

    Certainly, she did. Officially, that was in the 15th century, but if you want to argue that it was previously known, all that can be referred to are a few fleeting comments from early church leaders and very, very sketchy hints in Scripture such as the mention of "fire" or works being burned...
  13. Albion

    Purgatory

    No. I heard you. But you explained the logic in there being something along the lines of a Purgatory. You've steadfastly refused to attempt any justification for us to think that what the Roman Catholic Church invented in response to those Bible passages is what she chose to call "Purgatory."...
  14. Albion

    Purgatory

    That sounds a lot like you are saying you cannot show us that there is any such place or state of being. But that aside, you have verified what I was calling to your attention by writing "show a need for" and "a process of purification." "Purgatory" is a particular entity, whether true or...
  15. Albion

    Purgatory

    Stephen, What was missing before still remains missing. There's no reason to believe that there is a Purgatory. Of course the church that invented Purgatory will offer us all sorts of items from its own chosen definition of "Purgatory," but there remains nothing that substantiates the claim...
  16. Albion

    Purgatory

    Stephen, that post offers us a lot of information about the alleged nature of Purgatory, but fails to make the case that there IS a Purgatory.
  17. Albion

    Purgatory

    Well, of course. But the issue--or so I got from your post--was that what he said on that occasion was not in line with his church's longtime teaching about Purgatory. However, we could take the position that he was not concerned with that but instead was (although doing so in his capacity as a...
  18. Albion

    Purgatory

    Perhaps, but the priest would have no way of knowing that. And it would be very unlikely. Although there is no such thing as time in the afterlife, typical Catholic Church statements about the nature of Purgatory and how "long" one might have to spend there make a quickie experience almost...
  19. Albion

    Visible kingship and the invisible church

    No. That was my purpose. Just to clarify the meaning of those terms. There was a lot in your initial post to confuse the issue, so a clarification seemed like something that was worth doing. Go for it.
  20. Albion

    Visible kingship and the invisible church

    Huh? Aren't local congregations and parishes the mainstay of most denominations and the 'organizations' that most Christians turn to for religious services? If not regular Sunday attendance, most Christians seek to be married in a church, have their children baptized in a local church, and so...
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