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  1. Andrew

    The message of the Prayer of Manasseh

    Albion If it's valuable and was valued by early Church fathers who wrote exegesis using quotes from many of these books, then why discourage it by promoting a "who cares" attitude? Would you have felt so confident saying this to Clement of Rome and to the early Christians if you were given the...
  2. Andrew

    The message of the Prayer of Manasseh

    Amen, God's chosen seed were not just those who were born of a Hebrew "maiden", many turned idolatrous and the gentile nation had no covenant with God in any way whatsoever, the time had not come yet for the revealing yet God changes not.
  3. Andrew

    The message of the Prayer of Manasseh

    Psalms was written about the same century as Judges give or take half a century or so, in the 5th century BC. David believed in a resurrection from the grave.. "For You will not leave my soul in Sheol, Nor will You allow Your Holy One to see corruption" Also.. "Wherefore the LORD brought upon...
  4. Andrew

    The message of the Prayer of Manasseh

    This guy seems to agree with me ;)
  5. Andrew

    The message of the Prayer of Manasseh

    God is the same then and now so of course Manasseh is praying for forgiveness and mercy not only for his current world but of his soul just like any OT believer. It's a great example of a repenting sinner crying out to God who according to Kings and Chronicles, forgave him and blessed him. It...
  6. Andrew

    What is the main reason why the Apocrypha doesn’t belong in the Bible?

    Many NT writings were considered antilegomena at a time before it was canon and for good reason, gnostic "christian" books were being distributed at a time so a NT canon especially by the time of printing press was dearly needed, even Luther had doubts about certain NT books that did not seem...
  7. Andrew

    Trump tweets an offer to his leading 2020 opponent

    Josiah
  8. Andrew

    What is the main reason why the Apocrypha doesn’t belong in the Bible?

    Prayer of Manasseh is in the dead sea scrolls btw, the NT disagrees with our modern Masoretic, just look at a quote from the NT that quotes the OT, then look at the quote in the OT and see if they match up The original Hebrew text that the Septuagint was copied from our all gone, the Masoretic...
  9. Andrew

    What is the main reason why the Apocrypha doesn’t belong in the Bible?

    Clement’s letter to the Corinthians: “Ye understand, beloved, ye understand well the Sacred Scriptures, and ye have looked very earnestly into the oracles of God. Call then these things to your remembrance. When Moses went up into the mount Sinai.... ..Many women also, being strengthened by the...
  10. Andrew

    What is the main reason why the Apocrypha doesn’t belong in the Bible?

    You didn't say it was damaging, atpollard did, I just mentioned you because you also have doubt that ante nicene Christian writers were quoting from books that they held to be inspired side by side with our familiar masoretic OT. I just don't accept that 'doubtful books' labeled "apocrypha"...
  11. Andrew

    Trump tweets an offer to his leading 2020 opponent

    He's obviously doing this to secure his seat in the White House for another four years by befriending his leading opponent and offering him the job of vice president [emoji35] This is completely unconstitutional and an insult to American democracy! A prime example of bigotry Trump needs to...
  12. Andrew

    How was the OT handed to 1rst Century Christians?

    Did they just take the Apostles word for it or did they already have the Old Testament available to them in a non Hebrew language?
  13. Andrew

    What is the main reason why the Apocrypha doesn’t belong in the Bible?

    Josiah atpollard So because the only known copy of the Prayer of Manasseh dates back to the 2nd Century BC this must mean that it wasn't originally written in Hebrew and thus the reason we find it in the Greek Septuagint is because some pagan greeks wrote it in the 2nd century BC? Why would...
  14. Andrew

    What is the main reason why the Apocrypha doesn’t belong in the Bible?

    The publish date 2nd century AD is around the time of the greek translation, the original hebrew sources that the Septuagint was copied from no longer exist, that's why they dated it 2nd cenrury
  15. Andrew

    Jan and Feb

    I went ahead and uploaded a 5 minute clip from a YouTube video podcast for your convenience and specifically for this thread, I guarantee it will answer your question and it's very fascinating! https://youtu.be/4wX4qLCp864
  16. Andrew

    What is the main reason why the Apocrypha doesn’t belong in the Bible?

    Luther mentions Manasseh during his commentary works on Genesis regarding Cain who trembled in fear of his punishment and pleaded for Gods mercy, he notes that some rabbis argue that Cain saw the punishment as unfair and that God ought to forgive him his sin, Luther then expresses that all men...
  17. Andrew

    What is the main reason why the Apocrypha doesn’t belong in the Bible?

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  18. Andrew

    What did Jesus do in the 3 days in Hades?

    Jesus in John chapter 5 suggest that those who believe in the one who sent Him and hears Him words WILL (present tense) have everlasting life and shall pass from death unto life.. After this He says that the time is soon approaching (foreshadowing His burial) that ALL who are in the grave...
  19. Andrew

    What is the main reason why the Apocrypha doesn’t belong in the Bible?

    I never said that the Jews regarded it as null and void, I'm saying that after Jesus fulfilment of the Law and all was declared "Finished", it is and was too late to start omitting or adding books from the BC era, the gentile world already had them, God gave the gentile world the OT, sorry for...
  20. Andrew

    What is the main reason why the Apocrypha doesn’t belong in the Bible?

    (Edit: I quoted your entire post but had to shorten it because of too many characters) Josiah I already stated that any OT canon made by Jews after Christ's ministry is NULL and VOID. Jamnia in 70/90 AD is NULL and VOID, Jeromes massive mistake was considering and believing the unbelieving Jews...
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