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  1. Andrew

    If the apocrypha doesn’t belong in the Bible, then please explain why Clement of Rome said that Judith is scripture in his letter to the Corinthians?

    Philo, who died in 50 AD, describes a festival like celebration and thanksgiving pilgrimage commemorating the Greek translation as divine by both Jews and Gentiles, he records his witnessing and testimony of these events.. Note: first paragraph explains the origin of the first translations of...
  2. Andrew

    If the apocrypha doesn’t belong in the Bible, then please explain why Clement of Rome said that Judith is scripture in his letter to the Corinthians?

    They also didn't discuss Obadiah.. indeed there are several books of the Old Testament that are never mentioned in the New Testament. Also, the claim that there was no structure of the Old Treatment leaves me to wonder why any books were ever mentioned at all when addressing the churches, did...
  3. Andrew

    If the apocrypha doesn’t belong in the Bible, then please explain why Clement of Rome said that Judith is scripture in his letter to the Corinthians?

    If you were alive the first few centuries you would have been reading Judith along with Genesis and would have no distinction between the two concerning what's scripture and what's not. You would have been able to go to the library or first century Synagogue and find "and recovery of sight to...
  4. Andrew

    If the apocrypha doesn’t belong in the Bible, then please explain why Clement of Rome said that Judith is scripture in his letter to the Corinthians?

    @Josiah Who else but actual Jews translated the Hebrew to Greek (Septuagint/LXX)? No gentile did this, Judith comes from the Septuagint, the Jews indeed put this in their greek translations, if a translation of the Hebrew is null and void than any English version is likewise null and void...
  5. Andrew

    If the apocrypha doesn’t belong in the Bible, then please explain why Clement of Rome said that Judith is scripture in his letter to the Corinthians?

    The entire letter is 100% based on biblical passages and characters and nothing but. It seems that any character standing out that is not found in the Masoretic is the equivalent of something such as "the life of Saint Theresa".. I highly doubt that possibility. The Jews took Judith out (we'll...
  6. Andrew

    If the apocrypha doesn’t belong in the Bible, then please explain why Clement of Rome said that Judith is scripture in his letter to the Corinthians?

    So we know for certain that the book of Judith existed and was used by Clement of Rome as an example for women at the church.. We know that the hearers understood who Judith was, we know that it was in the Septuagint/LXX and we know that prior to Jerome the church had it in their bible without...
  7. Andrew

    If the apocrypha doesn’t belong in the Bible, then please explain why Clement of Rome said that Judith is scripture in his letter to the Corinthians?

    https://en.m.wikisource.org/wiki/Ante-Nicene_Fathers/Volume_IX/The_Epistles_of_Clement/The_First_Epistle_of_Clement_to_the_Corinthians/Chapter_55 Chapter 55. Examples of Such Love. To bring forward some examples from among the heathen: Many kings and princes, in times of pestilence, when they...
  8. Andrew

    If the apocrypha doesn’t belong in the Bible, then please explain why Clement of Rome said that Judith is scripture in his letter to the Corinthians?

    I apologize I meant the church in Rome @atpollard
  9. Andrew

    Books banned from the Bible

    The gnostic gospels were never part of the Bible but what about books that were added by Jews centuries before Christ's earthly ministry and were taken out post Christ's ascension and after all the Apostles had died off? Why were they banned from the inherent Word of the Living and Sovereign...
  10. Andrew

    If the apocrypha doesn’t belong in the Bible, then please explain why Clement of Rome said that Judith is scripture in his letter to the Corinthians?

    We have early church documents available for us dating back to the first century, we know exactly how early church services were like, much like today.. Prayer, reading of scripture and sermon with of course morning and evening communion, breaking of bread and wine/mixed with water (for morning...
  11. Andrew

    If the apocrypha doesn’t belong in the Bible, then please explain why Clement of Rome said that Judith is scripture in his letter to the Corinthians?

    Ok but you agree that the early church worship service included the reading of inerrant scripture correct? I mean, these men and women were martyred for Christ's sake, they weren't reading mormon material were they? Paul praises the Corinthians, Clement preached to that same church and wrote...
  12. Andrew

    When they say that the Apocryphal books don’t belong in the Bible, who’s authority is that based on?

    So it has nothing to do with the Septuagint which contain the common so called apocrypha books? Did you know that the Jews put those books in the Septuagint?
  13. Andrew

    When they say that the Apocryphal books don’t belong in the Bible, who’s authority is that based on?

    @Josiah
  14. Andrew

    When they say that the Apocryphal books don’t belong in the Bible, who’s authority is that based on?

    Josiah you always dodge the question with the same repetitive question. The LXX/Septuagint, you can buy the direct "theological university" Greek and English translation on Ebay for 20 dollars. We are tired of listing the books over and over for you, buy the copy, and no, "odes" is not part...
  15. Andrew

    The Lord has called my mother home

    My condolences and prayers for you and yours, I'm so sorry Lamm, PM me if you want to talk about it as I'm going through the process as well, God bless
  16. Andrew

    The CH Selfie Thread

    Last selfie I took on my phone, those glasses are superimposed btw (in case you didn't notice) [emoji12]
  17. Andrew

    Cain begot Enoch

    @atpollard Thanks, I used to know this lol, I think later I forgot that there were two Enochs, I began thinking it was only Enoch and Enosh... but still, was Cains generations any more or less cursed than the rest of humanity?
  18. Andrew

    Cain begot Enoch

    So why do some say his descendants were cursed? Wasn't Enoch technically raptured by God and taken to Heaven bodily?
  19. Andrew

    What were you bullied for?

    I got picked on by one kid from my neighborhood, all the other kids liked me because I was the class clown.. this kid however just had a deep hatred for me for no reason.. :/
  20. Andrew

    Finland considers jailing a Lutheran Pastor

    Looks like they want to do away with freedom of religion, let's all just worship the beast I guess
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