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  1. Andrew

    What is the main reason why the Apocrypha doesn’t belong in the Bible?

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  2. Andrew

    What is the main reason why the Apocrypha doesn’t belong in the Bible?

    There is a library of volumes you can buy for several thousand dollars that include all of the ante Nicene, Nicene and post Nicene writings of early Christians.. the "mysterious, unidentified" book is the "The Dictionary to Early Christian beliefs" and it's a compilation of the "ante-Nicene"...
  3. Andrew

    What did Jesus do in the 3 days in Hades?

    I'm interested in hearing your answers :)
  4. Andrew

    What is the main reason why the Apocrypha doesn’t belong in the Bible?

    This is also a bit interesting..
  5. Andrew

    What is the main reason why the Apocrypha doesn’t belong in the Bible?

    Post 67 list a few with their quotes, but I'll have to list them out when I get the chance, notice how they quote them side by side with other OT scriptures, Clement of Rome even calls Judith "blessed by God"
  6. Andrew

    Question about Christ's Atonement

    Did His Atonement forgive the sins of those who died in Noah's time who heard and accepted Christ's preaching to the dead in Hades? I know that the Bible does not offer us much detail but did He save any souls that were in Hades, even the disobedient?
  7. Andrew

    What is the main reason why the Apocrypha doesn’t belong in the Bible?

    Who declared them to be "hidden"? Who named them "Apocrypha" and at what time (roughly)? Nathan has listed "those" books for you as well have I in previous threads.. This controversy is nothing new, the ECF quoted these books over 300 times and were well aware that the Jews were rejecting them...
  8. Andrew

    What is the main reason why the Apocrypha doesn’t belong in the Bible?

    Then "Canon" = Dogma
  9. Andrew

    What is the main reason why the Apocrypha doesn’t belong in the Bible?

    Also post 82 could provide the exegesis ------------------------------------------ 2 Maccabees 12 says that they sent money to Jerusalem TO PROVIDE for a sin offering. Notice the words “to provide.” Seems like you missed that part. Any Jew who sees the phrase “sin offering” is going to know...
  10. Andrew

    What is the main reason why the Apocrypha doesn’t belong in the Bible?

    The quote you provided says it was to commemorate the fallen comrades as they hoped for a resurrection, it never suggested that as NT believers, we should pray for the dead... according to 1rst Samuel we should seek mediums to raise the dead to speak to us (spiritism) did the Jews make a dogma...
  11. Andrew

    What is the main reason why the Apocrypha doesn’t belong in the Bible?

    There was no canon nor 2nd canon of the OT during Jesus's time on Earth.. I use the term "Apocrypha" for the sake of argument, but I mean it the same way the ECF meant them, Holy scripture
  12. Andrew

    What is the main reason why the Apocrypha doesn’t belong in the Bible?

    Jesus is no longer in hades so no we receive one death and after so is the judgment. Jesus DID go to hades for several days and preached to both the righteous and disobedient and took captivity captive to paradise, the NT era has no excuses, we receive judgment after death according to our...
  13. Andrew

    What is the main reason why the Apocrypha doesn’t belong in the Bible?

    When was the book of Job made canon? and was it pointless literature before it was canon? Obviously the 72 Jews that translated their Holy Text into Greek all came up with the same translation from the same Hebrew source, how did we ever get the OT to begin with? I'm sure the majority early...
  14. Andrew

    What is the main reason why the Apocrypha doesn’t belong in the Bible?

    "It was a holy and pious thought" ;) This line doesn't imply any dogma but the opposite, Judah and his men had a meek and humble attitude toward the resurrection and that's all! No dogma should have been created, it's actually a very insignificant passage that only became popular when the RCC...
  15. Andrew

    What is the main reason why the Apocrypha doesn’t belong in the Bible?

    Christ's atonement had not yet come, it was only commendable at the time, it was the HOPE, not DOGMA, that Maccabees was teaching.. This is a teaching that Jews LATER rejected as it implied such a Resurrection via a Messianic figure, the passage clearly suggest that they were in dire hopes of...
  16. Andrew

    What is the main reason why the Apocrypha doesn’t belong in the Bible?

    Btw the term "Apocrypha" did not exist in the times of the ECF.. It was used by Jerome when he believed the Jews, the same Jews that deem the NT as blasphemy so.. there ya go
  17. Andrew

    What is the main reason why the Apocrypha doesn’t belong in the Bible?

    I like to use bunny ears when I use the word Apocrypha (hence "Apocrypha") for the sake of the books Luther threw out, that were in the original king james and were included in the Septuagint, stop setting up straw men "denominational canon" arguments. I mean the entire Septuagint, whatever...
  18. Andrew

    What is the main reason why the Apocrypha doesn’t belong in the Bible?

    The ECF did NOT just take in whatever they got their hands on.. They strictly forbade gnostic stories in fact they spoke about them with great consistency and authority concerning what is NOT accepted as Gods words! Yet they quote the "Apocrypha" over 300 times as Jewish OT Holy Scripture. The...
  19. Andrew

    What is the main reason why the Apocrypha doesn’t belong in the Bible?

    Sad you can't just answer a simple question, it regards why the EOC accepts the Apocrypha.. They would proudly give the answer as 75, because they hold the Septuagint over the Masoretic, the latter doesn't include any Apocrypha.. it's a relevant question because it involves the EOC and their...
  20. Andrew

    What is the main reason why the Apocrypha doesn’t belong in the Bible?

    It's relevant, because the same Hebrew sources that was used for the greek translation included the "Apocrypha", it also included the same number of Jacobs household that Stephen the Martyr states... So.. what's the answer? 70 or 75?
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