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  1. Andrew

    What is the main reason why the Apocrypha doesn’t belong in the Bible?

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  2. Andrew

    The message of the Prayer of Manasseh

    It was in the early bibles and some EO churches still have it as canon in their Holy Bible
  3. Andrew

    What is the main reason why the Apocrypha doesn’t belong in the Bible?

    I'll try my best to not include any Jewish conspiracy even though it plays a big part in why we eventually went with the Masoretic instead of just sticking to what we already had.. We have stacks and stacks of documents from the ante Nicene fathers who were all in agreement that the books they...
  4. Andrew

    The message of the Prayer of Manasseh

    And you are certain of this how? Kings and Chronicles both say Manasseh prayed repentance and God forgave and blessed him, the prayer in both books says it was recorded by the seers, the exegesis of the prayer is what our topic is about, if it truly lines up.. but you are 100% certain that even...
  5. Andrew

    What is the main reason why the Apocrypha doesn’t belong in the Bible?

    The Septuagint go hand and hand with the Apocrypha, it's almost impossible to defend the Apocrypha without bringing up the greek translations that were read by the early greek speaking Christians and Jews at the time, our church fathers had greek names, the NT was written in greek etc.. It...
  6. Andrew

    What is the main reason why the Apocrypha doesn’t belong in the Bible?

    I believe atpollard meant what prophesy in Daniel is fulfilled in Maccabees that remains unanswered in the 66 canon..?
  7. Andrew

    100 years since Prohibition in the US

    Was the RCC exempt?
  8. Andrew

    Like sheep among wolves

    In modern times I think maybe prosperity preachers who exploit the gospel for prophet and encourage others to follow them in the same manner... that monetary wealth is evidence of Faith, I find it contradicts Christ's teachings of distributing your riches among the poor. They offer lotteries to...
  9. Andrew

    The message of the Prayer of Manasseh

    atpollard very impressive! Yes even the devils tremble in the presence of God, the day of judgment is a GREAT and TERRIBLE day to come.. Jesus tells us that everyone alive and dead will hear his voice.. as Christians we like Adam, came to Him first in fear and trembling, and unlike Adam we...
  10. Andrew

    What is the main reason why the Apocrypha doesn’t belong in the Bible?

    It was Jerome who concluded that somehow Christians had been reading a corrupted OT bible because the Jews in Jerusalem with whom he studied with gave him an inconsistent version from what Christians had been reading so Jerome 'officially' married the two with what was contemporary among...
  11. Andrew

    The message of the Prayer of Manasseh

    You literally said "and who cares?" ;)
  12. Andrew

    The message of the Prayer of Manasseh

    So you two are okay with discussing exegesis on books of the apocrypha? I mean there is no "apocrypha canon" hence the dilemma, so would you two consider exegesis on i.e. the "Prayer of Manasseh" without complete prejudice or former denominational bias? Would you actually join in the...
  13. Andrew

    The message of the Prayer of Manasseh

    I'm arguing that they are considered taboo now and unjustly so, the Jews convinced Jerome that some books are not in their canon thus he labeled them apocrypha and segregated them in his Latin translations, even the Pope was against his decision, but as long as it remained in the bible it would...
  14. Andrew

    The message of the Prayer of Manasseh

    What was the enchilada in the time of the church's infancy in a majority greek speaking world? I believe the divine Sovereignty of the Lord God almighty gave the greek speaking world their enchilada just in the knick of time of Christ's arrival. Where would ANY OT canon stand without the greek...
  15. Andrew

    The message of the Prayer of Manasseh

    Jerome Jerome Jerome... Plus most of the books you mentioned are just parts of other books, they were separated into books because Jerome did not find them in the Hebrew text and placed them elsewhere in a special designated area for "hmmmm now im not so sure" books and then over time that...
  16. Andrew

    The message of the Prayer of Manasseh

    The Jewish communities in the first century were up to no good, Josephus was a pharisee and he praises the Septuagint, please quote him doubting it's contents. The term 'Apocrypha' was attributed by Jerome to what Christ rejecting Jews rejected in their revised greek translation (created by...
  17. Andrew

    The message of the Prayer of Manasseh

    There was no Masoretic then, only the Greek translations thus no "Apocrypha", I can't explain it any easier than that
  18. Andrew

    The message of the Prayer of Manasseh

    Read the ante nicene volumes of writings, they make it perfectly clear what books they considered scripture, put two and two together, process of elimination, it all points to what was included in the septuagint and what the early church fathers wrote to other Christians to mediate on.. You seem...
  19. Andrew

    What is the main reason why the Apocrypha doesn’t belong in the Bible?

    I was never breached on what OT books were canon or not when I decided to dust off the Holy Bible for the first time (a Catholic Bible) and so when I read the OT I read all the books therein.. This edition was published in the early 1970s and was my grandmas worn out bible, the word "Apocrypha"...
  20. Andrew

    The message of the Prayer of Manasseh

    SO, even though they are valuable good reads they should be especially overlooked because they were in the early church bible (greek) and aren't anymore, they are as special as Christmas songs according to your input and discussing these books makes you defensive because they are no longer in...
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