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    If the apocrypha doesn’t belong in the Bible, then please explain why Clement of Rome said that Judith is scripture in his letter to the Corinthians?

    I never said that the book is no more worthy than the Book of Mormon. There is a wide gap between “Paul’s Letter to the Romans“ and “the Book of Mormon”. Romans is Holy Scripture written by an Apostle appointed by Jesus Christ and the words therein inspired by the Holy Spirit. “The Prayer...
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    If the apocrypha doesn’t belong in the Bible, then please explain why Clement of Rome said that Judith is scripture in his letter to the Corinthians?

    Here is my final answer (now it is your turn to prove me wrong rather than my responsibility to prove you correct): Clement lived at the same time as Peter and Paul, but Peter and Paul never said anything to Clement. The only statement ever made about what is or is not scripture by Peter was to...
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    If the apocrypha doesn’t belong in the Bible, then please explain why Clement of Rome said that Judith is scripture in his letter to the Corinthians?

    If I need to “read the whole letter of 1 Clement”, then your quote does not make your case and prove your statement, does it? That is my point. You have not proven what you claim is even so. It is not my responsibility to prove your points by researching the question. I am content to accept...
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    If the apocrypha doesn’t belong in the Bible, then please explain why Clement of Rome said that Judith is scripture in his letter to the Corinthians?

    Are you now claiming that Clement is an Apostle and the Book of 1 Clement is also God Breathed Holy scripture? I thought that 1 Clement was a letter written to reprimand the Church at Corinth for rejecting the authority of leaders that they disagreed with and following new leaders that they did...
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    If the apocrypha doesn’t belong in the Bible, then please explain why Clement of Rome said that Judith is scripture in his letter to the Corinthians?

    First, thank you for providing a source. Now then, here is your original statement from the OP: Let’s just take it as a given for the moment that Clement actually did know Peter and Paul (proving or disproving that is FAR too much effort). Nothing in the above quote indicates that it was...
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    If the apocrypha doesn’t belong in the Bible, then please explain why Clement of Rome said that Judith is scripture in his letter to the Corinthians?

    Who knows? You didn’t even bother to actually quote what Clement said, let alone present the context or reference the exact source so one can read it for themselves. One possibility is that unlike the writings of Paul, Clement was just plain wrong in his beliefs. Valentinus was a candidate...
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    If the apocrypha doesn’t belong in the Bible, then please explain why Clement of Rome said that Judith is scripture in his letter to the Corinthians?

    [1Co 1:11-12 NASB] 11 For I have been informed concerning you, my brethren, by Chloe's [people,] that there are quarrels among you. 12 Now I mean this, that each one of you is saying, "I am of Paul," and "I of Apollos," and "I of Cephas," and "I of Christ." [1Co 3:1-3 NASB] 1 And I, brethren...
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    If the apocrypha doesn’t belong in the Bible, then please explain why Clement of Rome said that Judith is scripture in his letter to the Corinthians?

    Then I guess Clement’s letter to the Corinthians is not ”God breathed” and infallible scripture.
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    Does "For Ever" mean forever?

    [Psa 81:15 NASB] 15 "Those who hate the LORD would pretend obedience to Him, And their time [of punishment] would be forever. [Mat 25:41 NASB] 41 "Then He will also say to those on His left, 'Depart from Me, accursed ones, into the eternal fire which has been prepared for the devil and his...
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    Was the Early Church led by the Holy Spirit?

    Individual Churches stopped when they “grieved the Holy Spirit” to the point that He wrote ICABOD over the door. The True Church (the Body of Christ) has never stopped.
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    Does "For Ever" mean forever?

    That was as fine a job of plucking verses out of context and making them say what you want, as I have ever seen. Joel Osteen would be proud of you.
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    Does "For Ever" mean forever?

    “Perish” is not “eternal punishment” as a direct contrast to “eternal life” in the same sentence. The opposite of punishment is reward. The opposite of life is death. Jesus did not contrast “eternal life” with “death” (perish), Jesus contrasted it with “eternal punishment“ ... as in [Mar...
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    Cain begot Enoch

    Noah and his family was descended from Seth. Cain’s decedents all drowned. I don’t know if that proves that they were “cursed”, but they sure were “unlucky”. ;)
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    God still chooses.

    [Mat 27:5 NIV] 5 So Judas threw the money into the temple and left. Then he went away and hanged himself. [Luk 10:37 NIV] 37 The expert in the law replied, "The one who had mercy on him." Jesus told him, "Go and do likewise." There is truth, and then again, there is TRUTH. Context IS important.
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    Cain begot Enoch

    Here is the line from Adam to Enoch that was taken by God: [Genesis 5:3-24 NLT] 3 When Adam was 130 years old, he became the father of a son who was just like him--in his very image. He named his son Seth. 4 After the birth of Seth, Adam lived another 800 years, and he had other sons and...
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    Who are Gods Chosen, the Israel of God?

    ... and I was just going to answer the question with: “I am.”
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    Do you agree or disagree with this?

    What makes people think that the universe is all about them? God does things because it brings glory to God. Sometimes that means your later days are greater than your former days, like Job, and sometimes that means that you get crucified upside down because you are unworthy to die like your...
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    What is the main reason why the Apocrypha doesn’t belong in the Bible?

    [Luk 11:45-52 NASB] 45 One of the lawyers said to Him in reply, "Teacher, when You say this, You insult us too." 46 But He said, "Woe to you lawyers as well! For you weigh men down with burdens hard to bear, while you yourselves will not even touch the burdens with one of your fingers. 47 "Woe...
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    What is the main reason why the Apocrypha doesn’t belong in the Bible?

    I acknowledge that the “Early Church Fathers” did, in fact, quote from sources other than the 66 books of “Inspired Holy Scripture” in their letters. My question is a simple one: Did any Early Church Father identify any quote from any book outside of the 66 directly as “scripture” or with the...
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    What is the main reason why the Apocrypha doesn’t belong in the Bible?

    [Jos 8:31 NASB] 31 just as Moses the servant of the LORD had commanded the sons of Israel, as it is written in the book of the law of Moses, an altar of uncut stones on which no man had wielded an iron [tool;] and they offered burnt offerings on it to the LORD, and sacrificed peace offerings...
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