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    What is one theology you feel is counterproductive?

    “Why were some books banned from the Bible?” Lots of heat and smoke, but no real light. Or for a more traditional definition of “theology” (the study of God) ... there are many ways to the same God. WHY: The many paths to ‘heaven’ lead to very different “gods” (based on their character), so...
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    The GOSPEL

    [John 3:16-21 NASB] 16 "For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life. 17 "For God did not send the Son into the world to judge the world, but that the world might be saved through Him. 18 "He who believes in...
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    2ND PETER WAS WRITTEN TO ISRAEL

    Looks like we Gentiles don’t need a Bible ... we just need a pamphlet with those few verses that were written to us. :rolleyes:
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    How does it become the Body and the Blood?

    [John 6:35 NASB] 35 Jesus said to them, "I am the bread of life; he who comes to Me will not hunger, and he who believes in Me will never thirst. [John 10:7, 9, 11, 14 NASB] 7 So Jesus said to them again, "Truly, truly, I say to you, I am the door of the sheep. ... 9 "I am the door; if anyone...
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    If the apocrypha doesn’t belong in the Bible, then please explain why Clement of Rome said that Judith is scripture in his letter to the Corinthians?

    What is in the Apocrypha that is essential for salvation? How do you explain Jesus‘ references to the OT beginning with Genesis and ending with Chronicles (like the Tanakh of the pre-christian MIshnah)?
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    If the apocrypha doesn’t belong in the Bible, then please explain why Clement of Rome said that Judith is scripture in his letter to the Corinthians?

    You are still missing the point. If you want to convince ANYONE that Tertullian said something, then present a quote from Tertullian and cite the source of the quote so your reader can follow the example of the Bereans and look it up for themselves to verify if what you claim is true. When you...
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    If the apocrypha doesn’t belong in the Bible, then please explain why Clement of Rome said that Judith is scripture in his letter to the Corinthians?

    You, sir, are not the Church in Rome. All you offered was YOUR opinion of the Church in Rome’s opinion of who Clement might have met ... that is not “nothing”, that is “nothing” two steps removed from someone that might know.
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    If the apocrypha doesn’t belong in the Bible, then please explain why Clement of Rome said that Judith is scripture in his letter to the Corinthians?

    Was St Jerome an Apostle or companion of the Apostles that what he wrote is infallible scripture?
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    If the apocrypha doesn’t belong in the Bible, then please explain why Clement of Rome said that Judith is scripture in his letter to the Corinthians?

    Heresay, not evidence. I know there are people who say that they have seen Bigfoot. So what does that prove?
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    If the apocrypha doesn’t belong in the Bible, then please explain why Clement of Rome said that Judith is scripture in his letter to the Corinthians?

    Neither can you prove the claim you made that Clement ever spoke with Paul or Peter. Nor can you prove the claim you made that Paul and Peter sent a “memo” telling EVERYONE that Judith was scripture. Just for the record, it is typically not possible to prove a negative. How does one prove that...
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    If the apocrypha doesn’t belong in the Bible, then please explain why Clement of Rome said that Judith is scripture in his letter to the Corinthians?

    The title of this topic starts out “If the apocrypha doesn’t belong in the Bible”, so I have no idea what distinction you have in your mind between “canon” and “scripture”. For me, the terms are synonymous and Judith is NEITHER canon nor scripture ... it is a religious story that may contain...
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    If the apocrypha doesn’t belong in the Bible, then please explain why Clement of Rome said that Judith is scripture in his letter to the Corinthians?

    The Alexandrian Jews and Christians also gave the Church most of its Gnostic teaching and many of its earliest heresies. It was simply a center of Greek learning, scholarship and culture with a strong trade link with Israel.
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    If the apocrypha doesn’t belong in the Bible, then please explain why Clement of Rome said that Judith is scripture in his letter to the Corinthians?

    Now for the issue of Clement speaking with Peter and Paul. Here is EVERYTHING in 1 Clement on Peter and Paul: “But not to dwell upon ancient examples, let us come to the most recent spiritual heroes. Let us take the noble examples furnished in our own generation. Through envy and jealousy the...
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    If the apocrypha doesn’t belong in the Bible, then please explain why Clement of Rome said that Judith is scripture in his letter to the Corinthians?

    OK, I just searched ALL of 1 Clement and here is the ONE AND ONLY reference to Judith: “Many women also, being strengthened by the grace of God, have performed numerous manly exploits. The blessed Judith, when her city was besieged, asked of the elders permission to go forth into the camp of...
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    If the apocrypha doesn’t belong in the Bible, then please explain why Clement of Rome said that Judith is scripture in his letter to the Corinthians?

    Then we should not be making claims that the Apostles taught from those books without any evidence to support such a claim.
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    If the apocrypha doesn’t belong in the Bible, then please explain why Clement of Rome said that Judith is scripture in his letter to the Corinthians?

    Except I never said anything about Clement getting anything “right” or “wrong” since you have yet to actually PROVE (you know, by providing more evidence than your unsupported opinion) that Clement actually even “quoted” from Judith, let alone claimed that Judith is God Breathed Holy Scripture...
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    If the apocrypha doesn’t belong in the Bible, then please explain why Clement of Rome said that Judith is scripture in his letter to the Corinthians?

    This statement is false. There was no single compiled Bible but collections of scrolls. The only FOR SURE scripture in EVERY Christian Church would have been a compilation of the 4 Gospels into a single scroll, and a compilation of the letters of Paul (ending with Hebrews) into a single...
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    If the apocrypha doesn’t belong in the Bible, then please explain why Clement of Rome said that Judith is scripture in his letter to the Corinthians?

    I claim to have lived at the same time and in the same state as Bruce Springsteen, Billy Joel, Art Garfunkel and Donald Trump throughout my life. Does that mean that we should assume that I have spoken with all of them? It is not for me to prove something never happened. It is for you to...
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    If the apocrypha doesn’t belong in the Bible, then please explain why Clement of Rome said that Judith is scripture in his letter to the Corinthians?

    PS. I have read my Bible and Peter and Paul say NOTHING about Judith. Here is everything God has to say about “Judith”: [Gen 26:34-35 NASB] 34 When Esau was forty years old he married Judith the daughter of Beeri the Hittite, and Basemath the daughter of Elon the Hittite; 35 and they brought...
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    If the apocrypha doesn’t belong in the Bible, then please explain why Clement of Rome said that Judith is scripture in his letter to the Corinthians?

    You clearly have not quoted where Clement refers to Judith as scripture. You clearly have not comprehended that it is not other people’s responsibility to research your opinions. You clearly did not understand points #1, #2, #3, #4 or #6 of my response. Your CLAIMING that Clement refers to...
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