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So because Christ is addressing the Angel of the Church at Laodicea... Are you concluding that Christ is not standing at the door and knocking for anyone else??? Are you concluding that ONLY the Laodiceans are loved by Him and being disciplined? Because vs 18 sets the table for vs 19...

Repenting is a struggle... An ongoing struggle against sin in one's own soul... It is never finished in this life... Because there are always challenges to it... Which is why the Gospel proclaims: "Be ye repenting..." Ongoing present tense... As a way of life... Always poised against...

Addressing repentance verbally is not repentance... But you are right anyway, Josiah... Because we do not have pews... We stand for up to three hours in Services... Our legs and backs ache, and our feet hurt... We are tired and hungry from fasting... THAT is repentance from our addiction...

Thank-you... One hand clapping... That's me... Arsenios

Well, I think you will agree with me that this would not be the first time, yes? The pericope indeed does begin: "To the Angel of the Church in Laodokia..." So we agree that He is addressing this Church... But nothing to do with Salvation? Did He not say they are lukewarm in their deeds...

This is the second thread I have posted a burst of posts and everyone stopped posting... I do not think it is the brilliance of my posting... Am I being seen as THAT toxic?? Or just too far off everyone's radar? Arsenios

The problem in the west is that there are so many "churches"... Is atpollard a member of YOUR Church? The answer is no... You are not both Lutherans or Catholics or Assembly of God or Four Square Christians... In your very understandable desire to be united, you fire shots across each...

The fleeing Israelites were baptized into Moses when they passed through the Red Sea... 1 Cor 10:2 Arsenios

And the truth is that Repentance prepares the Way for Baptism... Arsenios

The Trinitarian Baptism IS Baptism in the Name of Jesus Christ... Peter was one of the 11 who received the Great Commission unto Trinitarian Baptism... Christ Commanded Trinitarian Baptism... Any other Baptism is not Baptism in the Name of Jesus Christ... That seems to be a frivolous...

fwiw, word order in Greek normally can indicate sequence... The Greek Church understands the 'kai' sequentially... Can you find anywhere in Scripture "Be Baptized 'kai' (and) repent..."??? We are called to repentance by God... After that: We are Justified by God in Baptism into Christ... Long...

Here's a couple: Rom 6:3 Know ye not, that as many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? Rom 6:16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto...

For the Bible-Only folks, I would challenge ANY of you to find IN the Bible these two terms... And THEN in the same passage... eg WATER BAPTISM and SPIRIT BAPTISM Neither term even EXISTS in the Bible... What we DO have is John announcing the arrival of the One to follow him Who IS before...

By your false theory, God got it wrong... He did not know what he was saying... God obviously SHOULD HAVE SAID: "If ANYONE", except, of course, those who are unsaved, whom I have not yet Justified, and who are not yet in the Church and may never be in the Church... I say if ANYONE...

Christianizing pagans is a good thing... Or we could just kill them??? I mean, c'mon! :) Arsenios

Now THERE is the RIGHT question! Thanks George! Arsenios

The Eastern Orthodox Church calls the Resurrection Service "Pascha"... I used to think Easter and Estrogen were connected via Fertility - Now I am not so sure... Arsenios

Then you need to respect them here as Christians, and not disparage their claim as Christians... The Church at Rome is an Apostolic Church... You have been disrespectful... Arsenios

Sounds more like Rio... Arsenios

Poppycock, Hogwash and Phooey! A