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    The Apocrypha: Does it belong in the Bible?

    That you-tube article is pretty compelling... Arsenios
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    The Apocrypha: Does it belong in the Bible?

    For your same reasons we can say there is no Protestant Bible... Do I need to list all the Bibles that do not accord for you? Think Septuagint, Josiah... IF a Scripture is included there, it is a part of the Old Canon... That is the pre-Christian Old Testament... Arsenios period!! :)...
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    The Apocrypha: Does it belong in the Bible?

    Canon emerges from the practice of communities... There are early Christian Communities... Those are the ones, and especially the ones in the 4th century, who made the Canon what it is today... But this was the NT Canon... The Septuagint is prior even to Christ's Incarnation... It is not...
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    The Apocrypha: Does it belong in the Bible?

    This short video kinda affirms Josiah's point https://youtu.be/OTEe7IKKYII Arsenios
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    The Apocrypha: Does it belong in the Bible?

    The article is the approach that is non-Christian - Bottom Line The Apocrypha isn’t Divinely inspired, and is therefore not part of the canon, and some of its works are even antithetical to Judaism. Other works may indeed contain some valuable information, but they aren’t given any more...
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    The Apocrypha: Does it belong in the Bible?

    Most of the Old Testament books of the Protestant Apocrypha are called deuterocanonical by Catholics per the Council of Trent, and all of them are called anagignoskomena by the Eastern Orthodox per the Synod of Jerusalem. The Anglican Communion accepts "the Apocrypha for instruction in life...
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    The Apocrypha: Does it belong in the Bible?

    anagignoskomena simply means recognized... I liked Andrew's understanding that arguing against them proceeds from their omission by the non-Christian Jews in their Masoretic OT books from the much more ancient and very 'received' Septuagint... I mean, IF they are included in the pre-Christian...
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    The Apocrypha: Does it belong in the Bible?

    This instruction has remarkable parallels to the two phases of our Divine Liturgy... The first being for all including those being prepared for Baptism... The second being only for those about to receive Holy Communion... The teaching being that one who has not been prepared to received Holy...
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    ORTHODOX STUFF

    https://youtu.be/95P744siC7U
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    The Apocrypha: Does it belong in the Bible?

    Here is the kicker - They form the EOC Secondary Canon of Scripture... If you want to add to them, or subtract from them, you need a reason... They were included in the 4th century Ecumenical establishment of the Canon of Scripture... Different Churches not in Communion, and perhaps those in...
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    The Apocrypha: Does it belong in the Bible?

    Why is it so necessary to call them uncanonical and uninspired...? And stridently proclaim the vast superiority of other texts? It was the 4th Century Church that canonized these texts... And it was that same Church that designated them as the "Secondary Canon"... Orthodox tend toward...
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    The Apocrypha: Does it belong in the Bible?

    Was something missing in the list? I know Psalm 151... Can you give us 152? Arsenios
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    ORTHODOX STUFF

    On the Mystery of Death: STEPHEN SAID: “VLADYKA, ALL IS WELL WITH ME”, TURNED AND BECAME INVISIBLE http://orthochristian.com/120719.html Arsenios
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    The Apocrypha: Does it belong in the Bible?

    According to the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church of your Creed... Does this list help? Tobit Judith 1 Maccabees 2 Maccabees Wisdom of Solomon Wisdom of Sirach (also called Ecclesiasticus) Baruch including the Letter of Jeremiah Additions to Esther Additions to Daniel: Prayer of...
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    The Apocrypha: Does it belong in the Bible?

    Does someone say who inspired them? And why? Arsenios
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    The Apocrypha: Does it belong in the Bible?

    Well, you can have a complete Bible... Or the depleted version... Original KJV included them... Puritans didn't like them... So if you prefer a partial Bible to a complete Bible... You can "Puritanize" your complete Bible from their presence... And rest self assured in your...
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    Genesis 1&2 The Beginning - Scriptural, Scientific and Historical Perspective.

    The answer of Fr. Seraphim Rose is that the account of the Creation of the Kosmos in Genesis is outside of time... "Genesis, Creation and Early Man" Fr. Seraphim Rose https://www.sainthermanmonastery.com/Genesis-Creation-and-Early-Man-p/gen.htm iow - Time itself had not "yet" [:)] been...
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    Sharing statements on Christian theology

    Paul was martyred by this time, of course, but none of the Churches he founded, including mine at Antioch, was mentioned by Christ in Revelation... Look - IF the "Angel" of each Church needed John to TELL HIM, then that Angel was not hearing the risen Christ... And that Risen Christ stands at...
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    REPENTANCE

    Depends on circumstances... We had one Russian woman whose young husband died in an accident prior to taking up his repentance... He was a soldier... She put on his soldier's coat and entered into a men's monastery as if she were him, and entered into a life as an ascetic for the sake of his...
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    Sharing statements on Christian theology

    Well we can agree on this... The letters are pastoral, for the most part, and are addressing issues arising in the Churches where the Great Apostle, Paul, is the Angel of those Churches... Somewhat similarly, the instructions given by Christ are for John to give TO the Angels of the Seven...
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