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Your opinions do not prove me wrong. I provided you over dozens of ante-nicene Church Fathers qouting from the deuterocanon as Holy and Sacred Inspired God breathed scripture without any hint of prejudice nor do they state that they are merely good to read, using them along side the accepted...

Probably because Protestants, especially Lutherans, discourage Christians from reading the Apocrypha of Martin Luther's Bible more than encourage, just parroting Luther and saying "but they are good to read" is worthless, just the word "good" alone downplays them to a mere "okay" standard... The...

In regards to why I mentioned that I have read some gnostic writings was because they are the actual apocrypha. I can, therefore, rightly discern between the so called Apocrypha and the actual Apocrypha as defined by the Church fathers

Yeah take some lines from my post and cherry pick them out of context. I was expressing my first experience with the Bible, I did not know nor was I concerned about what canon and what Apocrypha was.. I just read the Holy Bible... should be very clear but im sorry you're having difficulty...

The Apocrypha was in every Holy Bible from the 4th - 19th century. The discussion should be WHY ..because Christians and the church used them. That is not wishful thinking. To deny the fact that the so-called "Apocrypha" books were in the first CHRISTIAN BIBLE we must agree that they were...

You're correct. Jerome did nothing wrong by doing the translation, I just don't agree with his word choice. "This prologue to the Scriptures may be appropriate as a helmeted introduction to all the books which we turn from Hebrew into Latin, so we may be able to know whatever is outside of...

A few ante-Nicene Church fathers wrote extensively on this. Rabbi Aqiba I believe was Jerome's teacher, Jerome studied under him, he wasn't just handed the scrolls and began his work.. he was being tutored in Rabbanic interpretation. Rufinus called Jerome's Rabbi "Barabbas". And you are...

Them be the deuterocanon from which Wisdom and Sirach were the first to groom me, I just saw a book that said HOLY BIBLE and I read it. I could care less about what men considered which books to be a certain whatever. I just read what was in my Holy Bible, it did not seem like a motivational...

So we not only had weird apocrypha books in the bible but we actually had a BIBLE that didn't come from a church authority??? Why was it so wide spread throughout many churches. And why would greeks and greek speaking Hebrews ever read a GREEK translation of HEBREW?? That it totally absurd to...

An unbelieving Rabbi, Jerome, and Apostle Peter walk into a bar. The unbelieving Rabbi tells Jerome that the Christian bible has ApOcRyPhA books in them Jerome turns around and kicks Peters stool from under him and says "THESE BOOKS AREN'T INSPIRED!" The unbelieving Rabbi opens a bag of popcorn

The subject is in regards to the books in the received text of the early churches ...which were undoubtedly inherited from the first churches ..which were undoubtedly established by the Apostles and their bishops... who undoubtedly entrusted their congregations with these text and to be used in...

Believe me it does not offend me that you find these books to be of lukewarm value to Christianity, but there are literally volumes and volumes of writings from early Christians who embraced them as Holy Scripture and quoted from them more than they did the other books of the OT. Oh btw, the...

Gary Machuta has a video that explains it better than I can, I went through just one of Luthers 'billions' of writings and noticed them, but in the video he points out where Luther states that he is using only the canon.. @Josiah

They used that word because Jerome was ignorant and Rufinus pointed out his ignorance. Hence why I say "so called Apocrypha"

No, he USED them for DOCTRINE in his Resolutions to his 95 theses, He even makes it a point to state to the reader that he will only be using the Traditional Books of Canon as recognized by the Church for his resolution. Rufinus, Augustin, Epiphanius, Athanasius lists the books of the Holy...

Luther used apocrypha/deuterocanon books with canonical books in his resolutions to his 95 theses Anyway. Yes Biblical tradition on both sides had the apocrypha section and yes the early churches used them also, they belong in the bible, they were in the first Bible. They would still be in all...

How is that a contradiction? The Scriptures in full were widely available by the time the churches were established, both in the Hebrew tongue and the dominant Greek language. THERE WAS NO CANON AT THAT TIME. However, in Pauls letters he warns the church of NEW doctrines entering into the...

Those Jews weren't as open as Nicodemus was, they had their answer regardless of what Jesus said to them. There are Jews today that once they are corrected they just stuff like "Im a Jew and we Jews know when Messiah arrives" or "Jesus said 'my God why have you forsaken me' so you see, God...

Conspiracy theory? lol it's a fact, you can go to their website, you can see them stamped in ypur bibles, they put out books about their history, I was researching the American Bible Society, Gary researched the Foreign Bible Society aka the Scottish Bible Society are the most hateful...

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