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So because the angel Raphael healed a man with ointment after he had gone blind, and exercised a demon by means of having Tobias carry around smelly rotting fish (as to have him "entertain an Angel unaware")... That makes him a magician?.... right.. magic can't cast out a demon, a demon can't...

Do you know the reason why it is not used to determine any doctrine? Early Christian apologists who wanted to witness to the Jews couldn't quote passages that point to Jesus from books that they (Jews) did not accept as part of the canon that had been recently established in Rabbanic Judaism...

I copied these quotes from a few church fathers ante-nicene era.. the rest are found here https://practicalapologetics.blogspot.com/2013/07/early-church-fathers-on-apocrypha.html?m=1 Origen de Principiis book 2 ch 1.5 (185- 254ad) But that we may believe on the authority of holy Scripture...

First, they were removed by protestant Bible Societies in the 19th century who controlled the manufacturing and distribution of all printed Bibles through the printing press. Second, Luther held just as much doubt with the Epistle of James which he dubbed "the Epistle of Straw", he also found...

Not exactly, most sacraments and doctrines are based on multiple passages throughout the bible not just one. Maccabees does not endorse prayers for the dead, it does not encourage it, it never states that praying for the dead is beneficial or necessary, it's not even mentioned as a practice, the...

Right! Regardless of Luther's opinions of the inspiration of the so called "Apocrypha" (known as "Ecclesiasticals" by the early church) the point was that even he, the founder of all of Protestantism, Luther, could not and would not ever condone the removal of these books from the Bible. As a...

Luther was known to flip flop, his opinion was only a opinion

He also stated that Tobit COULD be Holy Inspired Scripture or it COULD be just a good story that teaches godly morals. I believe he meant what he said when he suggested that the books in question should be entirely up to the pious reader. Josiah, the post 18th century protestants have a very...

Why would they be confused? The Apocrypha section was not only for Catholics, the ante-nicene Church Fathers quoted from them more than they did the other books of the Old Testament.. as Luther said, let the pious reader discern their authenticity of divine inspiration. He never wanted them out...

You're right, I meant the canonical and deuterocanonical respectfully

Modern protestants would still have the 73 canonical books in their bibles if the anti-Catholic American Bible Society hadn't made the decision to omit the "Apocrypha" section to save a few bucks -which was a farce, sure it might have saved a few measly bucks but according to the ABS themselves...

God made scripture available for the gentile nations and that's what the early Christians used, if the apostles wanted us to use Hebrew I'm sure they would have discerned it's canon list but there wasn't anyway. Jerome was an open homosexual who had no business in the affairs of Church...

The Gospels were never accepted by the Jews as divinely inspired material either, their canon was settled after Jesus preached his ministry so who are they to tell Christians what books they should traditionally use when they reject their own Messiah. Fact is, Jews DID accept it, they were...

Not just written by Jews. Translated by Jews into Greek and hand written and distributed all across the hellenistic world and in the libraries and synagogues, adopted by the Christians, read in the churches, translated into Latin, included in the Bible, read by the majority of Christians to...

Yeah well protestants and catholics alike were pretty darn upset when the British Bible Society and the American Bible Society started ripping out traditional books from The Holy Bible, I would bet my dollar bottom that Luther and Calvin would have started another Reformation Protest against the...

I'm just saying that he never ever ever ever ever had any issue with Maccabees until he blew a fews with the church and denounced his belief in purgatory (kudos!) and blamed it on poor old Judah for taking up a sin offering to commemorate his men as an innocent pious thought (bad Martin). The...

@Josiah Of course I can go ahead and read them just as centuries of Christians did. Now aside of the issue of what establishes doctrine or not does not matter. What doctrine do we get out of any books outside the NT anyway? This idea of doctrine = canon leaves us alone with just the Torah...

Problem is, some books were parts of other books, so there is a lot of confusion of whether the 24 books of the Hebrew canon actually included the additions. Tobit Judith 1 and 2nd Esdras Wisdom Sirach Baruch Song of the Three Children Story of Susanna Bel and the Dragon 1 and 2 Maccabees...

You have asked that question abut a thousand times before. It's very simple. The books labeled by Jerome as "Apocrypha" The same books that were included in the original KJV 1611 that are no longer included. The books that the Catholics call "deuterocanonical" because that's exactly what they...