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All wisdom comes from the Lord, and is with him for ever - Wisdom ....I'm interchanging wisdom and knowledge in this case to make them interchangeable.... [emoji3]

Note-reiterated: This subject is about certain traditional books that Christians have used for centuries, having been removed completely and for a good long while as there was no printing of them under any circumstance! This is NOT necessarily about the canon of books, just about biblical...

Well, if protestants claim that Zachariah son of Barachias is really Zechariah son of Jehoiada then proving who Clement of Rome was to Paul wouldn't matter much anyway.

Its the same exact thing.

So God had nothing to do with providing knowledge of the Scripture to the nations, Christians just got lucky to have access to scripture just in time

Who said I reject the deuterocanon? I said I agree that what the early Christians read as Scripture was in fact Scripture, the term deuterocanonical was just different name for it since "canon" wasn't a word that was widely used until the Hebrew canon was created to weed out the Christians from...

The American Bible Society transgressed the Church tradition of Protestants and Catholics to include those books in the Bible, this is NOT necessarily a discussion on CANON. Protestants rejected the "Apocrypha" as canon but never protested that be removed from their BIBLES! It was useful for the...

That's fine, a lot of protestants reject Luthers Bible as well.

The 1rst Century Christians read the Septuagint, so did Jesus and the Apostles, there was no Jewish canon, there was no masoretic, there were gentiles who couldn't read Hebrew and not too many Hebrews that could, God Almighty gave the gentile world the Scriptures to prepare his Church

The first Bible I read was a Catholic Bible and became familiar with these books, I found them inspiring and edifying just as intended. Catholics at least hold Luthers view that the books should be left in for that very reason, and to let it be up the pious reader to discern it's divinety as...

I don't give a poot about the Church of England's articles, I trust what the early Christians were handed down from the apostles that they often quote from that ultimately ended up in the Holy Bible. Jerome was comissioned to translate the Hebrew Text from Rabbanic Judaisms new tradition of...

We are discussing the OT "apocrypha", you always do this, you always bring up NT era apocrypha. The NT canon was settled by Christians and I have no problem at all with this list

The first two points refer to the ante-nicene Church Fathers, Clement of Rome would have known Peter and Paul as he was the first appointed Bishop to the Church of Rome. The others are from the 2nd 3rd and 4th Century and they qoute the Apocrypha over 400 times, more often than the Hebrew OT...

The majority of the ante-nicene Church fathers that we have records of, quote these books more than the OT, they refer to them with regards that they are Holy, The Lord says, It is written in scripture.. etc.. Seek and ye shall find.. im not about to write a novel about it, its contained in...

Yeah, they got it wrong, or purposely took it out of context to make money by selling indulgences.

More than half of the KNOWN Christians quote them in their writings so...

Not to mention that the majority of Christians accept these Ecclesiastical books as Scripture

As in the Apocalypse of Peter, Letter of Barnabas, Ascension of Isaiah, Assumption of Moses, Testaments of the 12 Patriarchs etc?

Could you elaborate? Critics canon?